15 year old girl from Arkansas dead after prank gone wrong
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[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;43954445]lol at people saying the kids shouldn't have been vandalizing this guys property
like the loss of some kids life because some psychopath shot them? nah not nearly as important as the fact [I]they were egging his house[/I][/QUOTE]
regardless of what happened after the vandalizing prank, if they hadn't done the prank it wouldn't have happened, there's no denying that
that doesn't mean the guy is justified in shooting at them, obviously he souldn't have done that; it only means that cause and effect doesn't magically stop being a thing when the effect part is way more costly/important
[QUOTE=sltungle;43954468]Uhh, who's to say you can't use explosives leisurely? Blowing shit up is fun. Who are you to tell me I can't enjoy that?[/QUOTE]
They're too dangerous and complex to be that fun, unless you have training. Usually if you have training for that, you're either a demo technician for a mining company or you're EOD, so you're not an average civilian. Shrapnel travels pretty far and can kill at ranges of hundreds of meters, plus the chance of exploding yourself when rigging the blasting caps.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43954412]i can take some yeast sugar and fruit juice and throw it in a container for a week and have some booze
manufacturing a firearm is a tiddly bit more complicated and difficult - and i highly doubt you have any idea what goes in to loading rounds lmfao, it's a tiresome process[/QUOTE]
I've never done it, but I've seen it done and talked to some guys that have done it.
I was at cabellas a few months ago looking for some .22 shorts and wandered into the do it yourself section. There was a guy there that I talked to that said he'd get together with his sons and have an assembly line of making shells with a press. He never let them do the blasting caps (I wouldn't either) but they'd measure the gunpowder and fill and press the shells. I think he said that 1000 .22s took them 3-4 hours.
Shotgun shells are a much bigger pain in the arse though, depending on the shot type you want to use. You gotta do the blasting cap, the powder then the little plastic holder with the shot in it ughhh.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43954476]Sten was designed to be built in a shed with very little machining for 7£. They are not quality guns.[/QUOTE]
I concede the point. I had assume that Stens were merely cheep to produce with mass production, not that they were easy to make in a garage.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43954518]Its an easy process that can be quite fun, especially if you are casting your own projectiles.[/QUOTE]
Have you seen that one YT channel (can't remember the name) where they stuff weird shit into shotgun shells and fire at targets? I think I saw them try washers, jacks, arrows and pennies. It was funny to see that stuff fly all over the place.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43954549]Have you seen that one YT channel (can't remember the name) where they stuff weird shit into shotgun shells and fire at targets? I think I saw them try washers, jacks, arrows and pennies. It was funny to see that stuff fly all over the place.[/QUOTE]
Taofledermaus and Demolition Ranch. Some of that stuff is pretty interesting.
Usually when I hear about my friends who go out and roll people's yard they have stories where someone's dad comes out with a shotgun loaded with bird shot. He shoots either straight upwards or off to the side while his son who was laying in wait shoots them with a paintball gun. That way you scare the absolute piss out of them with out paintball bruises left.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;43953485]Wow. Kids are throwing toilet paper at my trees. Better headshot 'em.[/QUOTE]
Must of been FPS Doug
[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;43954800]Usually when I hear about my friends who go out and roll people's yard they have stories where someone's dad comes out with a shotgun loaded with bird shot. He shoots either straight upwards or off to the side while his son who was laying in wait shoots them with a paintball gun. That way you scare the absolute piss out of them with out paintball bruises left.[/QUOTE]
Until the day the other son switches the paintball gun and shotgun as a prank, then people die!
/well that's what I'd do if I was the other son
//also this idea depends on the paintball gun and shotgun looking the same or it's not as funny
[QUOTE=Tuskin;43953508]"one count of a terroristic act"
What exactly qualifies as a "terroristic act[/QUOTE]
Performing an act of violence as dissuasion, I assume.
[QUOTE=Death_God;43953512]to be fair i dont think he should have been charged with first degree murder
at the least this is more manslaughter or 2nd degree murder[/QUOTE]
What how is it not first degree murder?
A) the kids were already leaving
b) the man had sufficient time to think about his actions
c) the man aimed and shot at them with the intention of harming and or killing them.
In order to be a second degree murder, it would have to be completely sudden and unplanned which in this time it was not. And it would have to be unintentional to be manslaughter.
i thought first degree had to be premeditated, like, he planned it the day before or something
[QUOTE=wraithcat;43955227]What how is it not first degree murder?
A) the kids were already leaving
b) the man had sufficient time to think about his actions
c) the man aimed and shot at them with the intention of harming and or killing them.
In order to be a second degree murder, it would have to be completely sudden and unplanned which in this time it was not. And it would have to be unintentional to be manslaughter.[/QUOTE]
Actually, that's wrong.
He shot at the car as they were trying to drive away. He probably shot at the car trying to scare them, not intending on killing or injuring anyone. That's why he got charged with the terrorizing charge. He was shooting to "terrorize" them so they wouldn't do it again (also known in the south as "peppering their tailgate"), not to kill them. So along with the terrorizing charge, this could be manslaughter at most, since it was not his intent to injure or kill anyone, but it still resulted in a death.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;43955033]Until the day the other son switches the paintball gun and shotgun as a prank, then people die!
/well that's what I'd do if I was the other son
//also this idea depends on the paintball gun and shotgun looking the same or it's not as funny[/QUOTE]
People in Alabama are not that stupid to do that all, besides the points most people around here will either use paintball guns or frozen paintballs as a deterrent to pranks. Now having a ditch full of briars is even worse, heard stories of classmates getting messed up from not realizing there were briars anywhere.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43955344]He shot at the car as they were trying to drive away. He probably shot at the car trying to scare them, not intending on killing or injuring anyone. That's why he got charged with the terrorizing charge. He was shooting to "terrorize" them so they wouldn't do it again (also known in the south as "peppering their tailgate"), not to kill them. So along with the terrorizing charge, this could be manslaughter at most, since it was not his intent to injure or kill anyone, but it still resulted in a death.[/QUOTE] Yes let's just assert someone who was in a blind rage shot at someone's car not in order to hurt them.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43955344]Actually, that's wrong.
He shot at the car as they were trying to drive away. He probably shot at the car trying to scare them, not intending on killing or injuring anyone. That's why he got charged with the terrorizing charge. He was shooting to "terrorize" them so they wouldn't do it again (also known in the south as "peppering their tailgate"), not to kill them. So along with the terrorizing charge, this could be manslaughter at most, since it was not his intent to injure or kill anyone, but it still resulted in a death.[/QUOTE]
i don't think anyone who intentionally shoots at someone else (and then kills them) will ever be considered manslaughter
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43955344]Actually, that's wrong.
He shot at the car as they were trying to drive away. He probably shot at the car trying to scare them, not intending on killing or injuring anyone. That's why he got charged with the terrorizing charge. He was shooting to "terrorize" them so they wouldn't do it again (also known in the south as "peppering their tailgate"), not to kill them. So along with the terrorizing charge, this could be manslaughter at most, since it was not his intent to injure or kill anyone, but it still resulted in a death.[/QUOTE]
Ouch, I guess that really depends on the place you are in. Here it would be qualified as a first degree murder, because he was attacking them with a weapon that could very well cause a death and he was fully aware of said fact. In part, because of the course you need to go trough in order to get a gun license.
I'm sort of fascinated that "peppering the tailgate" doesn't result in harsher punishments.
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Reread article - he did get charged with first degree murder. So I'd say the police had my view of it.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43953734]
You can't solely place the blame on the guy that came out of his house and shot at them. The situation would have never happened if the teenagers weren't doing something so stupid in the first place.[/QUOTE]
That's just terrible.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43955508]i don't think anyone who intentionally shoots at someone else (and then kills them) will ever be considered manslaughter[/QUOTE]
But you have to be able to prove that he was shooting at the person themselves. In this case, they have to prove that he was aiming and intentionally shooting to hit the girl, when in reality, it looks like he was shooting to hit the car, and accidentally shot the girl. I could be wrong, but I'm just letting you know what has to happen for a murder charge.
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[QUOTE=wraithcat;43955552]Ouch, I guess that really depends on the place you are in. Here it would be qualified as a first degree murder, because he was attacking them with a weapon that could very well cause a death and he was fully aware of said fact. In part, because of the course you need to go trough in order to get a gun license.
I'm sort of fascinated that "peppering the tailgate" doesn't result in harsher punishments.
EDIT
Reread article - he did get charged with first degree murder. So I'd say the police had my view of it.[/QUOTE]
If they can prove it. Cops are known to overcharge so they can get the charge they want.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43955562]But you have to be able to prove that he was shooting at the person themselves. In this case, they have to prove that he was aiming and intentionally shooting to hit the girl, when in reality, it looks like he was shooting to hit the car, and accidentally shot the girl. I could be wrong, but I'm just letting you know what has to happen for a murder charge.
[editline]18th February 2014[/editline]
If they can prove it. Cops are known to overcharge so they can get the charge they want.[/QUOTE]
well he was charged with first degree but whatever. and again, shooting at the car, in my mind that still counts as murder. like, even if he only hit the car he would have gotten attempted murder. you can't shoot at someone and then try to claim you weren't trying to kill them
Headshot is way too heavy.
Shot in the lower leg and everything's fine.
Learn some basics :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Reagy;43953548]Get out of here, if you read the statement the kids were leaving, he came out and purposely shot them.
They were not presenting any danger to the guy, he came out and enacted deadly force without a defence intent, they had their backs to him and he shot them.
I'm sorry but that is 1st degree murder.[/QUOTE]
No, first degree murder in American law is planned and premeditated, this is second degree: intentional killing that was not planned in advance. Or if he really was just intending to shoot some holes in the car to scare them then possibly manslaughter, although I'd say second-degree is more likely the case.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43955581]well he was charged with first degree but whatever. and again, shooting at the car, in my mind that still counts as murder. like, even if he only hit the car he would have gotten attempted murder. you can't shoot at someone and then try to claim you weren't trying to kill them[/QUOTE]
And I agree that he should rot in prison for killing her, because no matter what, he is in the wrong.
But I don't think he's the cold calculated murderer that people are making him out to be in here. I mean do you know how hard it is to hit somebody with a headshot while they are on the move? Shooting at the car to scare them and accidentally hitting the girl sounds like a more logical explanation to me.
Not saying that anything was justified, just that it sounds like a more likely scenario than a cold blooded killer/supreme marksman decided to kill a teenager because she egged his car.
i agree it was second degree IMO cause obviously it was a heat of the moment thing but yeah i'm just saying i don't think you could ever make the excuse of 'i didn't mean to kill them' when you shoot a gun at someone
[QUOTE=FordLord;43953667]Police arent always enough.
Police cant always be where they are needed, when they are needed[/QUOTE]
oh no, someone has somewhat damaged some property and the police are too far away, better [i]end their life[/i] asap
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43955693]And I agree that he should rot in prison for killing her, because no matter what, he is in the wrong.
But I don't think he's the cold calculated murderer that people are making him out to be in here. I mean do you know how hard it is to hit somebody with a headshot while they are on the move? Shooting at the car to scare them and accidentally hitting the girl sounds like a more logical explanation to me.
Not saying that anything was justified, just that it sounds like a more likely scenario than a cold blooded killer/supreme marksman decided to kill a teenager because she egged his car.[/QUOTE]
No offense, but a person who shoots at a car in order to scare it's occupants should never be allowed near a firearm in the first place.
He could've shot a bullet in the air and they would probably never come back. Fucking bastard.
At the same time, teenagers are stupid as well. Even though they are young, even I wouldn't have the brains to do stupid stuff like egging and throwing toilet paper.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43953672]Fuck no not even a warning shot. You fire it straight up in the air and it might come back down and kill a person who wasn't even remotely involved. You fire it at the ground and it could ricochet and, again, hit or kill someone not even involved.[/QUOTE]
What is the chance a tiny object fired up to 2 kilometers up in the air is going to hit a person? Think of the factors involved. Its like saying "dont fart you might poison someone"
Not supporting this asshole at all, though. This guy is just crazy and probably an example of US gun laws being way too loose. Also their mental care system being shit. I dont know.
I mean fuck aren't there ways to get self-defense permits for/ pellet/beanbag guns for things like this? If you intend to harm someone for fucking up your house I'd like to think that there's plenty of ways to do that, even on the self-defense gun-nut level without locking and loading firing live ammunition on teenagers.
Like the guy could have stuck a no-trespassers sign and shot at them with a paintball gun- doing that would still be questionable, and debatable, but fuck it's not murder.
[editline]18th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Slarav;43956337]What is the chance a tiny object fired up to 2 kilometers up in the air is going to hit a person? Think of the factors involved. Its like saying "dont fart you might poison someone"
Not supporting this asshole at all, though. This guy is just crazy and probably an example of US gun laws being way too loose. Also their mental care system being shit. I dont know.[/QUOTE]
Well the chance is small but when that small chance could potentially harm or kill someone you should probably be taking it seriously? I hope you don't own a gun.
IDK, I'm split between a manslaughter charge and 2nd degree murder here. It's definitely not 1st degree murder. On one hand it was a really really stupid thing to do. But on the other hand I seriously doubt he meant to kill or even hurt anyone. He was probably hoping to scare the shit out of them, probably even ding their car.
By strict definition this case falls under manslaughter, but then you have to factor in whether firing a gun at someone without actually meaning to hurt them is a valid excuse from murder with malice.
[editline]18th February 2014[/editline]
IDK, I'm split between a manslaughter charge and 2nd degree murder here. It's definitely not 1st degree murder. On one hand it was a really really stupid thing to do. But on the other hand I seriously doubt he meant to kill or even hurt anyone. He was probably hoping to scare the shit out of them, probably even ding their car.
By strict definition this case falls under manslaughter, but then you have to factor in whether firing a gun at someone without actually meaning to hurt them is a valid excuse from murder with malice. Simply just because the victim was under 18, I could see the court ruling against him and trying this as a 2nd degree murder case.
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