• UK doctors call to ban the purchase of cigarettes to anyone born after 2000 - until smoking is compl
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[QUOTE=FlakAttack;44362778]Comparing cars to tobacco is ridiculous. What use does tobacco even have? It serves no purpose, as opposed to cars. "hurr durr facepunch hivemind" - retarded posters 2014 Wow it's almost like marijuana has very legitimate medical applications while tobacco is useless and harms everyone around the smoker a great deal.[/QUOTE] I've been smoking for 8 years with chronic panic sickness, guess how many panic attacks I've cancelled completely by smoking up guess how many I had to treat with medicine [editline]26th March 2014[/editline] nicotine is a legit drug, don't even start with that argument
[QUOTE=AntonioR;44362634]LOL, doctors want to ban cigarettes, on the other side consumers want to legalize marijuana... and the consumer is always right.[/QUOTE] Consumer is very rarely right though. Consumer is always right only because you are interested in their cash, you don't care about consumer.
I wish this would work. I was forced to move because of the god damn smokers outside my window. I couldn't breathe in my own home and I couldn't sleep because even at 3am the assholes were outside smoking. Maybe one day we will be free from smoking but as long as people keep thinking that it is a great habit to pick up it will not go away.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;44362778]Comparing cars to tobacco is ridiculous. What use does tobacco even have? It serves no purpose, as opposed to cars. "hurr durr facepunch hivemind" - retarded posters 2014 Wow it's almost like marijuana has very legitimate medical applications while tobacco is useless and harms everyone around the smoker a great deal.[/QUOTE] I just have to say marijuana having very legitimate medical applications is not a valid argument in support of legalisation. It is a valid argument in trying to get the governments to relax their stance on prohibited substances so they can be better researched and understood in [I]clinical settings[/I]. I feel like most of my posts are about cocaine now, but cocaine has very valid medical uses as a local anaesthetic (it is still used in a very limited setting for eye operations), but that is not a very convincing argument to completely legalise it. If you are using marijuana as medicine (as opposed to recreation), you are taking an untested substance with very variable doses (let's face it, how many times can you put the same amount of weed in a single joint?) in an unhealthy way (combustion and inhalation). Now the active ingredients in cannabis certainly can have medical uses, just like active parts in heroin, amphetamines, cocaine have medical uses. But these ingredients have to be isolated, purified and researched even further. Just having a joint and calling it medicine is almost delusional. Finally nicotine/tobacco does have beneficial effects too, they are just overshadowed by the adverse effects. (For example use of weed by chemotherapy patients for preventing nausea and increasing appetite is understandable since weed also gives them some sense of peace in an otherwise very difficult time, but simply calling it medicine is not true)
stop selling it in stores. Make it legal to grow your own if you so damned inclined.
[QUOTE=ADT;44361456]Except that will never likely happen because tobacco, as well as alcohol, is a huge ressource of funds for governments.[/QUOTE] Prohibition works wonders. I'm surprised we haven't already banned alcohol and cigarettes! :smh:
lol yes lets rate this winner whilst we're having our rights stripped from us it should be our choice whether to harm ourselves or not oh and don't get me shit about people to die from second hand smoke, there are already laws in place preventing people from smoking in a public place [editline]26th March 2014[/editline] lets see how you'd react if the article was 'UK doctors call to ban the sale of alcohol to anybody born after 2000' same principle
[QUOTE=ADT;44361456]Except that will never likely happen because tobacco, as well as alcohol, is a huge ressource of funds for governments.[/QUOTE] The thing is that noone wants or can calculate what smoking actually costs the society. I'm willing to bet it's more. [editline]26th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Noss;44363229]lol yes lets rate this winner whilst we're having our rights stripped from us it should be our choice whether to harm ourselves or not oh and don't get me shit about people to die from second hand smoke, there are already laws in place preventing people from smoking in a public place [editline]26th March 2014[/editline] lets see how you'd react if the article was 'UK doctors call to ban the sale of alcohol to anybody born after 2000' same principle[/QUOTE] Do you have an insurance?
It won't work because kids will still get their hands on it I know shops all around my town that don't bother checking ID when it comes to cigarettes and people who were born pre-2000 will just buy it for them
[QUOTE=matt.ant;44361479]For those wondering, treatment for smoking costs the NHS £2bn per year, the revenue in tax from the sale of cigarettes is £10bn per year Sources: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3292979.stm[/url] [url]https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cigarette_tax_receipts_v_cost_of[/url][/QUOTE] Does not include smoking related sick days, lost productivity from staff going on cigarette breaks and early deaths and their impact on the economy, effects of second hand smoking ect.
[QUOTE=Maucer;44363438][B]Does not include smoking related sick days, lost productivity from staff going on cigarette breaks[/B] and early deaths and their impact on the economy, effects of second hand smoking ect.[/QUOTE] depends on the job. letting people have a 5 min smoke break every hour and then pretending that's draining the economy isn't really a fair thing to say. you can't guarantee people would be working for those 5 mins anyway, and for a lot of jobs (any outside job for example) it might not affect performance at all. people naturally take breaks, the only difference is they have a cigarette now. plus i only smoke when im stressed, cigarettes actually help me stay focused and modivated. if anything they increase my productivity.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44363497]depends on the job. letting people have a 5 min smoke break every hour and then pretending that's draining the economy isn't really a fair thing to say. you can't guarantee people would be working for those 5 mins anyway, and for a lot of jobs (any outside job for example) it might not affect performance at all. people naturally take breaks, the only difference is they have a cigarette now. plus i only smoke when im stressed, cigarettes actually help me stay focused and modivated. if anything they increase my productivity.[/QUOTE] That's what smokers tend to think, but when you look at studies smoking causes anxiety and stress and cigarette is needed to normalize your mood. And according to my totally subjective personal preference at work, smokers tend to keep longer breaks, keep nonsmokers also away from work and if possible, take extra brakes. The impact was surely noticeable in the places where I've worked. And even a few minutes a day per smoker builds up to thousands or millions of lost man hours in a bigger scale.
this is halarious, ive always seen those "cannot sell before 19xx" signs in stores forever, just having a "cannot sell after 2000 cas you can't be trusted" would be halarious, and only make cigarettes a black market thing, what can you do pass smoke-and-search laws where smoking people who are suspected of being born before 2000 could be arrested
[QUOTE=Maucer;44363799]That's what smokers tend to think, but when you look at studies smoking causes anxiety and stress and cigarette is needed to normalize your mood. And according to my totally subjective personal preference at work, smokers tend to keep longer breaks, keep nonsmokers also away from work and if possible, take extra brakes. The impact was surely noticeable in the places where I've worked. And even a few minutes a day per smoker builds up to thousands or millions of lost man hours in a bigger scale.[/QUOTE] the same goes with anything, but if you don't smoke everyday then the occasional cigarette go really help you out. just like how caffeine wakes you up in the morning, despite gaining dependence on it.
This is ridiculous. I'm not a smoker, but who the hell is the government to ban someone from doing what they like. They banned it in public places, which is fine because it limits exposure to those who voluntarily want to do it, and it makes sure I can enjoy my steak without some asshole ruining it with his cigarsmoke a table away from me, but jeez... Ban the production and sale of cigarettes? That's just stupid. Might as well ban alcohol and all other 'harmful' products as well. Taking and doing things that are potentially harmful should be part of the freedom of a person.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;44361477]Because history shows that prohibiting something that you can grow in your backyard is definitely practical.[/QUOTE] I doubt people selling bootleg cigarettes are going to put rat poison in them. [editline]26th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;44363411]It won't work because kids will still get their hands on it I know shops all around my town that don't bother checking ID when it comes to cigarettes and people who were born pre-2000 will just buy it for them[/QUOTE] Until every pre-2000 is dead and people wont be able to buy them at all.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44364047]Alcohol doesn't emit harmful fumes when you drink it[/QUOTE] I'll bet that drunk drivers kill a lot more people than second-hand smoke.
[QUOTE=Egevened;44362276]how people can agree with this boggles my mind we're sinking into a more and more depressing future, take away the things that can lift people up and you're in for a ride fuck, everything britain does with these things is stupid and ass backwards[/QUOTE] Yeah, besides, getting a hobby is way too mainstream so everyone should smoke instead, right?
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44364047]Alcohol doesn't emit harmful fumes when you drink it[/QUOTE] I'll not insult your intelligence by believing you actually thought that that is what this is about... It harms the body, it's addictive. Those are the attributes we're dealing with here. Same goes for alcohol as well. And if they really want to have less people die of "harmful" fumes, then they should get rid of air pollution. [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/air-pollution-deaths_n_5027320.html]Article about pollution[/url]
[QUOTE=proch;44362833]There are people born after 2000[/QUOTE] really? i thought we quit in 99 because the world was going to end
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;44362293]Think of all the lives saved from second hand smoke (and even third hand, in smaller numbers).[/QUOTE] Ban cars powered by combustion engines. Hybrids don't emited fumes. Deaths caused by cigarettes are fewer than caused by general pollution. [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/air-pollution-deaths_n_5027320.html]HuffPost[/url]
[QUOTE=G71tc4;44362389]"People should be free to put what they want in their bodies except tobacco cause it smells bad" - Facepunch 2014[/QUOTE] huh i didnt know smelling bad was all that was wrong with tobacco.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;44362102]Drinking in public is already illegal. Also, cigarette smoke/vapor actively affects other people.[/QUOTE] What backwards ass country allows guns in public but not beer?
[QUOTE=Terminutter;44361467]In the UK it is a drain, due to the NHS. Sure it brings in some cash, but the cancers smoking causes cost too. In all honesty, as much as I would love for smoking to just vanish, it's not going to happen. Edit: Seems I was wrong with the costs, in that it does actually bring in more than it costs. My bad. Still, current trends affect future costs, so it's pretty hard to predict.[/QUOTE] The taxes from cigs pay for the healthcare.
[QUOTE=Sio;44364647]What backwards ass country allows guns in public but not beer?[/QUOTE] Alcohol adversely affects the user. Having a gun on your person doesn't. Furthermore, you generally aren't allowed to just casually walk around brandishing a firearm in public, and the law is specifically drinking or open container. Randomly walking around town with a case of beer isn't going to get you in trouble. Well, except that somebody might try to steal it. But the cops probably aren't going to bother you except to ask you to go home or something.
Considering how much of a health hazard they are and that they're banning to prevent any NEW smokers instead of killing off old ones, it's not that unreasonable. If you believe marijuana should be legalized then good for you, it's not as deadly as nicotine and the other gunk in cigarettes.
Smoking is heavily taxed and the dangers are widely known. Why don't these doctors push for regulation or taxation of unhealthy food and snacks instead? Obesity is the great health problem of our time, not smoking.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44365263]No, being poor is the greatest health problem of our time. Bad food is cheaper, so poor people get fat. Holy shit if you taxed that, shit would hit the fan. Smoking is completely optional and is not in any way needed.[/QUOTE] alcohol is completely optional and is not in any way needed
Say hello to the newest branch of Organized Crime Inc. Seriously, this is gonna make one hell of a black market.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44365263]No, being poor is the greatest health problem of our time. [B]Bad food is cheaper[/B], so [B]poor people get fat[/B]. Holy shit if you taxed that, shit would hit the fan. Smoking is completely optional and is not in any way needed.[/QUOTE] Bad food being cheaper is just a myth. [img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/09/24/opinion/sunday/20110925_BITTMAN_MARSHgph/20110925_BITTMAN_MARSHgph-popup.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/is-junk-food-really-cheaper.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=opinion[/url] The link between obesity and income level is also questionable. [img]http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2013/11/FT_13.11.12_Obesity_640px.png[/img] [url]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/11/13/obesity-and-poverty-dont-always-go-together/[/url]
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