This scummy twat has already done enough damage here, he should fuck off and stay out of American politics.
Honestly can't stand this man.
It's about time the empire started taking a hand in American politics again, although I don't know why we sent Farage.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;50943305]Thanks to his campaign built on misinformation Britain will lose the many benefits of being in the EU and vice versa. What a nice man.[/QUOTE]
but at least the uk is a sovereign nation again right :vs:
[QUOTE=orgornot;50943057]You can see Farage here at 1:15:00
[video=youtube;bRxPb7ZmLHw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRxPb7ZmLHw[/video]
The whole rally was great and highly energetic.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty funny (read: embarrassing) seeing one of our politicians go to the US, a country who celebrates a day of independence from our empire's genuine oppression and tyranny and atrocities, and declare our own independence day from a mostly okay organisation just because it was bureaucratic, wrote some of our legislation for us, and made us take some European immigrants... that we joined and played a part in forming ourselves...
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50943151]1776: Rest of the world please help we are declaring independence from Britain
2016: Britain please help we are declaring independence from the rest of the world[/QUOTE]
#MakeAmericaGreatBritainAgain
[QUOTE=Kyle902;50943280]Farage fucked over his country. Pardon me if I don't want him to come over here and help fuck up ours as well.
[editline]24th August 2016[/editline]
British accents are not homogeneous lol. I'm p. sure a lot of Americans couldn't even understand some of them with how thick they get[/QUOTE]
Same thing happens in New York, in the Deep South, with people who have been born here going back to the early 18th century.
[QUOTE=Metist;50943677]That is some great fear mongering.
I shouldn't like Britain getting independence because of a women getting assaulted? So if a women got assaulted because Britain stayed I shouldn't have wanted Britain to stay?
Of course Farmers are going to lose EU funding. Leaving the EU means they lose EU money. At the same time Britain saves money by not having to give EU money.
Why should Britain be concerned over Australian money over their own country?[/QUOTE]
Brexit caused a spike in racist attacks. Any political action that incites hatred is inherently bad.
That money we save won't ever see those farmers. It'll stay in the UK, sure, but like fuck will the farmers see any of it. None of us will, it'll be spent on some obscure waste of money rather than where it's needed.
The Australian Dollar dropped in value, that's how far reaching our decision is. And if you want us to be concerned over our own country, the pound fell to one of it's lowest levels in recent history after we voted leave.
"Independence", we were never fucking dependent.
Farage should simply go away. 'I want to retire' my ass, the guy just wants to interfere with anything without oversight.
He tried to pull that crap here in Ireland, interfering with a referendum - and guess what, he failed. I can't wait for him to fall again and be kicked out of the States. After all, independence from Britain is a core part of American independence.
Trump: Its looking like a very wise decision.
No, no it isn't, our economy has already taken a turn for the worse, we have seen a rise in hate crimes, in my town we saw an increased police presence (barely noticeable, just a few more officers than usual on the streets). So, can you tell me one good thing to come from this referendum Mr Trump? (Because trump checks facepunch right guys?)
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50944927] Any political action that incites hatred is inherently bad.
.[/QUOTE]
This is such a stupid argument. You can't blame law makers for random individuals violent actions. If I threaten to hurt people if Brexit doesn't pass that somehow makes remain bad by your logic.
But even worse is that your argument doesn't take into account all the crime caused by the influx of immigrants so by your own horrible logic remain is a million times worse.
[quote]None of us will, it'll be spent on some obscure waste of money rather than where it's needed.
[/quote]
This is some amazing country self hatred. You really believe the EU of all places is better at spending money than your own country? The EU has spent billions on a failing immigration policy and is looking to create it's own fucking army but you trust them with your money over your own country? There is no reason at all Britain can't use it's money it's saving to put back into it's own country. It has more incentives to do so than the EU ever did and since Britain was one of the countries that had to give more than it got it has more money to spend.
[quote]the pound fell to one of it's lowest levels in recent history after we voted leave.[/quote]
And pretty much bounced back. That is the effect fear mongering has. Short term mistrust and you fell for it. The only reason why the pound fell is because of people mistrusting Britain over a failing EU. Have your country take it's currency into it's own hands so that way it wont be falling consistently like the Euro has.
Even then it's disgusting that you want to put freedom below short term economics. Do you realize that the EU is undemocratically elected and has no constitution or bill of rights to limit it's power? Why would you want your country to be a slave to that?
[quote]We were never fucking dependent[/quote]
Great point. The EU is more dependent on the UK than the UK is dependent on the EU A great reason to leave.
[QUOTE=Metist;50943677]That is some great fear mongering.
I shouldn't like Britain getting independence because of a women getting assaulted? So if a women got assaulted because Britain stayed I shouldn't have wanted Britain to stay?
Of course Farmers are going to lose EU funding. Leaving the EU means they lose EU money. At the same time Britain saves money by not having to give EU money.
Why should Britain be concerned over Australian money over their own country?[/QUOTE]
[B]IT'S NOT FEAR MONGERING WHEN IT'S HAPPENED AND IS STILL HAPPENING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[/B]jesus CHRIST I AM SO SICK OF THAT TERM, ONLY EVER USED BY PRO BREXIT PEOPLE AS A METHOD OF BLANKETING GENUINE PROBLEMS THAT WERE GOING TO HAPPEN/ARE NOW HAPPENING
you've got no argument from freedom, because the UK will have to abide by the same rules that we always did to maintain access to the single-market, you've got no argument from refugees, because the UK wasn't part of any of the EU agreements on the movements of refugees and had negotiated exceptions, you've got no argument from democracy, because the EU's voting system is far more democratic than the FPTP system has ever been, you've got no argument from "control of our own currency", because we already had fiscal control as we're not part of the eurozone, you've got no argument from the constitutional side, because the EU [B]actually has a bill of rights whereas the UK has what the EU provided and otherwise has nothing[/B]
every SINGLE time we have this argument on facepunch, as soon as someone actually brings up the fact that britain hasn't achieved any meaningful independence, the pro-leave poster suddenly disappears like a fucking rat
we've had month after month of the same arguments, and they always end the same way
america, please PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO FARAGE, the fact that he is now talking about a trump rally should indicate how much of A COLOSSAL FUCKING [I]CLOWN[/I] he is
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50945250][B]IT'S NOT FEAR MONGERING WHEN IT'S HAPPENED AND IS STILL HAPPENING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[/B]jesus CHRIST I AM SO SICK OF THAT TERM, ONLY EVER USED BY PRO BREXIT PEOPLE AS A METHOD OF BLANKETING GENUINE PROBLEMS THAT WERE GOING TO HAPPEN/ARE NOW HAPPENING
you've got no argument from freedom, because the UK will have to abide by the same rules that we always did to maintain access to the single-market, you've got no argument from refugees, because the UK wasn't part of any of the EU agreements on the movements of refugees, you've got no argument from democracy, because the EU's voting system is far more democratic than the FPTP system has ever been, you've got no argument from "control of our own currency", because we already had fiscal control as we're not part of the eurozone, you've got no argument from the constitutional side, because the EU [B]actually has a bill of rights whereas the UK has what the EU provided[/B]
every SINGLE time we have this argument on facepunch, as soon as someone actually brings up the fact that britain hasn't achieved any meaningful independence, the pro-leave poster suddenly disappears like a fucking rat
we've had month after month of the same arguments, and they always end the same way
america, please PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO FARAGE, the fact that he is now talking about a trump rally should indicate how much of A COLOSSAL FUCKING [I]CLOWN[/I] he is[/QUOTE]
So it's ok for all the remainers to claim fear mongering but as soon as someone says it's the other way around it's not?
Explain why the UK will have to abide by the same laws as the EU to trade with them when iceland is apart of free trade yet not apart of the EU.
[QUOTE=Metist;50945305]So it's ok for all the remainers to claim fear mongering but as soon as someone says it's the other way around it's not?
Explain why the UK will have to abide by the same laws as the EU to trade with them when iceland is apart of free trade yet not apart of the EU.[/QUOTE]
Iceland DOES ABIDE BY THE SAME LAWS AS THE EU, THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS FARMING AND FUCKING FISHING
[URL]http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/iceland/index_en.htm[/URL]
"What does the EEA mean for Iceland?
With the exception of agriculture and fisheries, the European Economic Area extends the Single Market legislation to the European Economic Area countries. This means that Iceland is legally bound to implement into Icelandic law EU directives and regulations governing the free movement of goods, persons, services and capital."
EEA states are free of certain provisions, but before you bring up the others, iceland, norway etc all agreed to put into place similar legislation as EU states
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50945311]Iceland DOES ABIDE BY THE SAME LAWS AS THE EU, THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS FARMING AND FUCKING FISHING
[url]http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/iceland/index_en.htm[/url]
"What does the EEA mean for Iceland?
With the exception of agriculture and fisheries, the European Economic Area extends the Single Market legislation to the European Economic Area countries. This means that Iceland is legally bound to implement into Icelandic law EU directives and regulations governing the free movement of goods, persons, services and capital."[/QUOTE]
So Iceland gets the advantages of trade with the advantage of some ownership. Do you see the point?
You can be apart of the trade bloc without being completely controlled by the EU. Britain can still be apart of free trade without having to deal with their authoritarian non democratic system if EU is willing to keep them in the free trade policy.
Even if they don't I think democracy is more important than a trade deal.
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50944927]Brexit caused a spike in racist attacks. Any political action that incites hatred is inherently bad[/QUOTE]
Leaving the EU is a right. Because people have connotated brexit with xenophobia doesn't mean that it is actually relevant in leaving the European Union. The concern over funding being pulled from those who critically need it is indeed very valid; brexit is what you make of it, not everybody who wants to leave the EU want it for the same reason and being among them does not make you a trotskyst, free market ancap, or whatever other denomination these folks go by.
I might drop by and have a look at his speech at the rally but would rather save myself the trouble of watching this trump shitshow at all if not for Farage, and him being there doesn't help to begin with.
I guess that's what Trump was hinting at with his Mr.Brexit quip. I'll give him credit, this is one of the smarter things he's done with his campaign so far. Still can't wait to see him fail miserably in the GE.
[QUOTE=Metist;50945333]So Iceland gets the advantages of trade with the advantage of some ownership. Do you see the point?
You can be apart of the trade bloc without being completely controlled by the EU. Britain can still be apart of free trade without having to deal with their authoritarian non democratic system if EU is willing to keep them in the free trade policy.
Even if they don't I think democracy is more important than a trade deal.[/QUOTE]
bollocks you've changed your tone now
what happened to "freedom", what happened to being a "slave of the EU" and escaping from that
now it's "You can be apart of the trade bloc without being [I]completely[/I] controlled by the EU"
fantastic, now we get to have a somewhat advisory role in forming legislation about the single market, instead of actually having a say in it
great, we now get all the benefits of changing legislation that was never in fucking dispute, because the primary pro-leave parts were movement of peoples and labour, which remains untouched
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;50943305]Thanks to his campaign built on misinformation Britain will lose the many benefits of being in the EU and vice versa. What a nice man.[/QUOTE]
No, wrong. You mean thanks to the abysmal fucking voter turnout in 18-35 year olds. You fucked your own country.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50945345]bollocks you've changed your tone now
what happened to "freedom", what happened to being a "slave of the EU" and escaping from that[/QUOTE]
I didn't change my tone at all. Britain should still be it's own nation that makes it's own laws. I was only using iceland as an example of how you don't need to be apart of the EU.
It's amazing how you don't give a damn about democracy. The main reason the UK left the EU is to fight back for their legal and border rights.
Hopefully when the EU finally makes it's European army Britain will be gone and wont have to apart of that failing superstate.
I hope a few trade benefits is worth democracy to you though.
[QUOTE=Metist;50945361]I didn't change my tone at all. Britain should still be it's own nation that makes it's own laws. I was only using iceland as an example of how you don't need to be apart of the EU.
It's amazing how you don't give a damn about democracy. The main reason the UK left the EU is to fight back for their legal and border rights.
Hopefully when the EU finally makes it's European army Britain will be gone and wont have to apart of that failing superstate.
I hope a few trade benefits is worth democracy to you though.[/QUOTE]
you didn't read the post did you
"The main reason the UK left the EU is to fight back for their legal and border rights. "
let's try this in bold
[quote]"What does the EEA mean for Iceland?
With the exception of agriculture and fisheries, the European Economic Area extends the Single Market legislation to the European Economic Area countries. [B]This means that Iceland is legally bound to implement into Icelandic law EU directives and regulations governing the free movement of [I]goods, persons, services and capital.[/I]"[/B][/quote]not to mention that we ALREADY HAD exceptions to the existing laws on movements such as schengen
glad to see that you're in favour of inflicting economic suffering on people on account of how you can't read
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50945367]you didn't read the post did you
"The main reason the UK left the EU is to fight back for their legal and border rights. "
let's try this in bold
"What does the EEA mean for Iceland?
With the exception of agriculture and fisheries, the European Economic Area extends the Single Market legislation to the European Economic Area countries. [B]This means that Iceland is legally bound to implement into Icelandic law EU directives and regulations governing the free movement of [I]goods, persons, services and capital.[/I]"
[/B]not to mention that we ALREADY HAD exceptions to the existing laws on movements such as schengen
glad to see that you're in favour of inflicting economic suffering on people on account of how you can't read[/QUOTE]
There is no law saying the UK has to be apart of the EEA in order to be apart of the European Free Trade Association. Sure the EU could make it mandatory but as of now it isn't.
So no, the UK doesn't have to give up it's personal freedom in order to have free trade with the rest of Europe. Even if it did free trade isn't worth the price of democracy.
[QUOTE=Metist;50945406]There is no law saying the UK has to be apart of the EEA in order to be apart of the European Free Trade Association. Sure the EU could make it mandatory but as of now it isn't.
So no, the UK doesn't have to give up it's personal freedom in order to have free trade with the rest of Europe. Even if it did free trade isn't worth the price of democracy.[/QUOTE]
once again, pure bollocks
the EFTA? you mean the group of 4 nations, 3 of which are in the EEA and thus are party to the EEA rules, and Switzerland, which has it's own bilateral agreements that also...
"These negotiations resulted in a total of ten treaties, negotiated in two phases, the sum of which makes a large share of EU law applicable to Switzerland."
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland–European_Union_relations[/URL]
like, you're searching for an exception that just doesn't exist
to trade, the UK is going to have to negotiate terms with the EU, and these terms will almost certainly mean that a large amount of EU law applies to the UK
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50945428]to trade, the UK is going to have to negotiate terms with the EU, and these terms will almost certainly mean that a large amount of EU law applies to the UK[/QUOTE]
You mean to be apart of the Free Trade block. At worst UK will have to be apart of the EEA to be apart of it but even without it Britain will obviously be able to trade with the EU. Considering Britain left in order to have control over immigration as one of the main factors they almost definitely aren't going to let the EU dictate immigration as part of whatever trade deal they create at the very least.
Again, your preference for trade over democracy cracks me up.
[QUOTE=Metist;50945469]You mean to be apart of the Free Trade block. At worst UK will have to be apart of the EEA to be apart of it but even without it Britain will obviously be able to trade with the EU. Considering Britain left in order to have control over immigration as one of the main factors they almost definitely aren't going to let the EU dictate immigration as part of whatever trade deal they create at the very least.
Again, your preference for trade over democracy cracks me up.[/QUOTE]
ok so we're going to get a fantasy deal which accomplishes all the things that we want based on no historical precedent at all - we've got the best people, the best people working on this and believe me they are the best
[quote]At worst UK will have to be apart of the EEA to be apart of it [/quote]
wtf does this even mean
your opinions on democracy and the EU are a JOKE, grounded in a lack of understanding of eu institutions, and the fact that you didn't think the EU had a bill of rights when the EU charter of fundamental rights is what the UK relies upon for a source of HR law, betrays the fact that you don't know much about the EU at all
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50945485]ok so we're going to get a fantasy deal which accomplishes all the things that we want based on no historical precedent [/quote] The UK is a pretty important state. Even if it doesn't get everything it wants at least it will get ownership of itself back.
wtf does this even mean
[quote]your opinions on democracy and the EU are a JOKE, grounded in a lack of understanding of eu institutions, and the fact that you didn't think the EU had a bill of rights when the EU charter of fundamental rights is what the UK relies upon for a source of HR law, betrays the fact that you don't know much about the EU at all[/QUOTE]
The only thing here that is a joke is the EUs sad attempt at a bill of rights.
Not only was it put into effect very recently but can be changed as easily as any EU policy. It's effectively useless when it can be so easily changed and again. Since the EU is undemocratic I have no trust in their promise to not simply change these when they see fit.
But I guess my opinion of democracy is a joke because I actually care about democracy and the UK being able to freely make it's own laws.
[QUOTE=Metist;50945529]The UK is a pretty important state. Even if it doesn't get everything it wants at least it will get ownership of itself back.[/QUOTE]
"Who cares if we don't get what we want?"
Uh, the people who want the UK to get what it wants?
[QUOTE=Metist;50945529]The UK is a pretty important state. Even if it doesn't get everything it wants at least it will get ownership of itself back.
wtf does this even mean
The only thing here that is a joke is the EUs sad attempt at a bill of rights.
Not only was it put into effect very recently but can be changed as easily as any EU policy. It's effectively useless when it can be so easily changed and again. Since the EU is undemocratic I have no trust in their promise to not simply change these when they see fit.
But I guess my opinion of democracy is a joke because I actually care about democracy and the UK being able to freely make it's own laws.[/QUOTE]
THE UK HAD OWNERSHIP OF ITSELF IN THE EU
Good fucking God dude, read. They were [I]the[/I] special snowflake of the EU who had so much autonomy compared to the other nations, it wasn't even funny. The UK had exceptions to immigration, they had their own currency. The UK gaining border rights is akin to one of our states gaining border rights, it only harms that state. Who wants to visit somewhere that it is a pain in the ass to visit? Who wants to work in a foreign country where you are now, thanks to brexit, going to get fucked by taxes?
[QUOTE=Metist;50945529]The UK is a pretty important state. Even if it doesn't get everything it wants at least it will get ownership of itself back.
.[/QUOTE]
what an amazing statement of meaningless propaganda
[quote]The only thing here that is a joke is the EUs sad attempt at a bill of rights.
Not only was it put into effect very recently but can be changed as easily as any EU policy. It's effectively useless when it can be so easily changed and again. Since the EU is undemocratic I have no trust in their promise to not simply change these when they see fit.[/quote]
they can just change the human rights bill?
[B]you mean exactly the same problem that the UK government faced when they suggested implementing their own human rights bill to replace the EU one?[/B] ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_British_Bill_of_Rights[/URL])
the difference is that instead of it simply being one country's government that changes it, the EU treaty has to be ratified by the governments of the EU
jesus christ educate yourself
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50945558]"Who cares if we don't get what we want?"
Uh, the people who want the UK to get what it wants?[/QUOTE]
Great strawman. Compromise means people generally don't get everything they want.
[QUOTE=Propane Addict;50945569]THE UK HAD OWNERSHIP OF ITSELF IN THE EU
Good fucking God dude, read. They were [I]the[/I] special snowflake of the EU who had so much autonomy compared to the other nations, it wasn't even funny. The UK had exceptions to immigration, they had their own currency. The UK gaining border rights is akin to one of our states gaining border rights, it only harms that state. Who wants to visit somewhere that it is a pain in the ass to visit? Who wants to work in a foreign country where you are now, thanks to brexit, going to get fucked by taxes?[/QUOTE]
Yet they still had to deal with unwanted EU law being forced on them, immigrants they clearly didn't want forced on them and having to pay for the bad decisions EU makes. Them being able to keep their currency doesn't change this.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50945575]what an amazing statement of meaningless propaganda
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, not wanting to be have to abide by other people's law is totally meaningless. If the UK has to unwillingly abide by laws and deal with immigration it didn't want then it clear it isn't in control of it'self.
Why do you want your country to be controlled by others? Especially when the people who make the laws are unelected.
[QUOTE=Metist;50945620]
Yeah, not wanting to be have to abide by other people's law is totally meaningless. If the UK has to unwillingly abide by laws and deal with immigration it didn't want then it clear it isn't in control of it'self.
Why do you want your country to be controlled by others? Especially when the people who make the laws are unelected.[/QUOTE]
nope you're still not getting it, you're still parroting the same transparent bullshit that you've been parroting in every post
every major change the EU has been ratified by the UK, we had exceptions to the immigration laws that were negotiated before brexit fucked that all up, and the people that put forward legislation are [I][B]PEOPLE PUT FORWARD BY THE NATION-STATES THAT MAKE UP THE EU, AND THEN VOTED ON BY REPRESENTATIVES VOTED FOR WITH A MORE DEMOCRATICALLY REPRESENTATIVE SYSTEM THAN THE UK CURRENTLY HAS[/B][/I]
[QUOTE=Metist;50945620]Yeah, not wanting to be have to abide by other people's law is totally meaningless. If the UK has to unwillingly abide by laws and deal with immigration it didn't want then it clear it isn't in control of it'self.
Why do you want your country to be controlled by others? Especially when the people who make the laws are unelected.[/QUOTE]
Have you considered that maybe, y'know, those laws are in place for a reason?
The UK has the right to leave. But that doesn't excuse the fact that leaving the EU will take a huge shit on the country and was a horrible choice.
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