USGS says an artificial earthquake occurred in North Korea - indicating a possible nuke test
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[QUOTE=The Rifleman;39558700]Were more technologically advanced with a greater number of allies, not to mention they'd be out of their mind to declare war on us.[/QUOTE]
Technology and tactics can mean loads in a war, pure numbers can win too (russia in WW2, korean war, ect ect).
[QUOTE=archangel125;39558728]
Nukes aren't as big and scary as they were in the Cold War. Mutually Assured Destruction is only a thing if major nation-states carry out a primarily nuclear attack on each other. If North Korea uses a nuclear attack, all its allies and all its enemies will simply get conventional forces together and crush it like an insect. It's not going to start World War III.[/QUOTE]
Everyone knows this isn't going to start WWIII or trigger a MAD scenario. Nukes may not be as 'big and scary' as they were back in the day, but even the small ones are still capable of [I]huge[/I] levels of destruction. Fuck, imagine if one was launched at a major population center in the US. Tons of innocent people would still die, NK's fate notwithstanding.
[QUOTE=archangel125;39558728]Nukes aren't as big and scary as they were in the Cold War. Mutually Assured Destruction is only a thing if major nation-states carry out a primarily nuclear attack on each other. If North Korea uses a nuclear attack, all its allies and all its enemies will simply get conventional forces together and crush it like an insect. It's not going to start World War III.[/QUOTE]
Nukes still do potential fucktons of damage, and basically signal a massive invasion upon whoever sends that Nuke. Depends if the US has allies willing to risk their armies on NK.
Aye, lots of people will die. We know that's going to happen sooner or later. But I was calling attention to the idiocy of Ramses there. His is the fifth post on Page 2.
The US carries out military operations without UN approval in countries in which it has no right to be. It kills people around the world with impunity, and funds radical militant groups against enemy states (That's terrorism, by the way.) It plays kingmaker with the leaders of other countries. In Iran's case, it deposed a democratically elected leader in 1953 because he imperiled oil interests and installed a dictator, the Shah. When that dictator was later overthrown by the people, the current Islamic theocratic government took its place.
The American People are free-spirited, mostly good folk, and can be considered freedom-loving to a fault. The American government, its military, and the corporations that pull their strings are very, very different.
All North Korea has done by comparison is a couple of artillery strikes and a lot of chest-thumping.
Knowing the crimes of the American government, no right-minded citizen of the USA should be so deluded as to believe that the best solution to another country waving its tiny dick around is to destroy that country and all its people, whether nuclear weapons are an issue or not.
[QUOTE=archangel125;39558788]Aye, lots of people will die. We know that's going to happen sooner or later. But I was calling attention to the idiocy of Ramses there. His is the fifth post on Page 2.
The US carries out military operations without UN approval in countries in which it has no right to be. It kills people around the world with impunity, and funds radical militant groups against enemy states (That's terrorism, by the way.) It plays kingmaker with the leaders of other countries. In Iran's case, it deposed a democratically elected leader in 1953 because he imperiled oil interests and installed a dictator, the Shah. When that dictator was later overthrown by the people, the current Islamic theocratic government took its place.
The American People are free-spirited, mostly good folk, and can be considered freedom-loving to a fault. The American government, its military, and the corporations that pull their strings are very, very different.
Knowing the crimes of the American government, no right-minded citizen of the USA should be so deluded as to believe that the best solution to another country waving its tiny dick around is to destroy that country and all its people, whether nuclear weapons are an issue or not.[/QUOTE]
Nor shall that government fuck shit up, NK's small amounts of people would rather that the NK doesn't send a nuke our way. As that basically means shit will go down, and fast. However, what scares me, is the NK knows what will happen, yet they don't care.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;39558799]Nor shall that government fuck shit up, NK's small amounts of people would rather that the NK doesn't send a nuke our way. As that basically means shit will go down, and fast. However, what scares me, is the NK knows what will happen, yet they don't care.[/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure. The people calling the shots in North Korea wouldn't be able to function at all if they were as heavily indoctrinated as the citizenry. We have to assume that the high-ranking officers and military generals are clever, worldly people who are playing a very dangerous game. If Kim-Jong-Un goes rogue and goes against their interests, they'll kill him. Remember, he's one man, and the military in the country holds the real power. For all we know, he's a prisoner to them, but a political figurehead for the sake of control.
That's why I think that NK won't actually launch a nuclear attack. They have to know it'll mean the end for them.
[editline]12th February 2013[/editline]
Kim-Jong-Un never appears publicly without being surrounded by a cadre of military personnel. I wonder if they're his jailers or his bodyguard.
I don't think the US government, crazy as it may be, would outright nuke North Korea in retaliation. There would be nothing for them to gain and would receive [I]massive[/I] backslash from the rest of the world. A military invasion would be a more likely response, in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39558860]I don't think the US government, crazy as it may be, would outright nuke North Korea in retaliation. There would be nothing for them to gain and would receive [I]massive[/I] backslash from the rest of the world. A military invasion would be a more likely response, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I doubt China would enjoy the US crushing NK either. Just an invasion and overthrow of government, and seize of all weapons, nuclear weapons, bombs, and what not.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39558860]I don't think the US government, crazy as it may be, would outright nuke North Korea in retaliation. There would be nothing for them to gain and would receive [I]massive[/I] backslash from the rest of the world. A military invasion would be a more likely response, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
It's one thing for a tiny, rogue banana republic to carry out a nuclear strike. It's quite another for a country like the States to do it. They'd never use nuclear power unless there was literally no other option. Why is the NK so demonized in the West today? Because the US and the UK can't exert any economic control over it. Still, there are other, less messy ways to destroy a government. If NK is stupid enough to launch a nuclear attack, it'll find out just what those are.
[editline]12th February 2013[/editline]
Aw, I wanted Rocco's take on my theory about NK's military.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;39558763]Nukes still do potential fucktons of damage, and basically signal a massive invasion upon whoever sends that Nuke. Depends if the US has allies willing to risk their armies on NK.[/QUOTE]
Except the North Koreans are barely capable of successfully launching a rocket, and the United States is readily prepared to shoot down anything.
NORAD will detect a missile launch and have it shot down without the least bit of trouble. The problem with nuclear weapons isn't a single launch, but a simultaneous launch of large numbers of missiles focused on taking out defense systems. North Korea neither posses the technology to mass manufacture nuclear devices nor does it posses the capability of robust missile technology.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;39558939]Except the North Koreans are barely capable of successfully launching a rocket, and the United States is readily prepared to shoot down anything.
NORAD will detect a missile launch and have it shot down without the least bit of trouble. The problem with nuclear weapons isn't a single launch, but a simultaneous launch of large numbers of missiles focused on taking out defense systems. North Korea neither posses the technology to mass manufacture nuclear devices nor does it posses the capability of robust missile technology.[/QUOTE]
I think a greater threat is posed by the possibility of a compact nuclear device being smuggled into the target country and detonated on the ground.
I sincerely doubt in Kim Jong-Un being a political figurehead. There's a huge cult of personality centered around the Kim family and the people literally worship this guy, holding him in a quasi-divine status.
Besides, if that were the case, he wouldn't be able to execute members of his high command by firing mortar rounds at them for [I]disgracing his father.[/I]
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;39558948]I sincerely doubt in Kim Jong-Un being a political figurehead. There's a huge cult of personality centered around the Kim family and the people literally worship this guy, holding him in a quasi-divine status.
Besides, if that were the case, he wouldn't be able to execute members of his high command by firing mortar rounds at them for [I]disgracing his father.[/I][/QUOTE]
I'm still not convinced. Appearances are important, after all. There may have been any multitude of reasons for having that guy killed.
Here's why I think the way I do: Whose interests are served by maintaining the status quo in North Korea? Who gets to enjoy the high life? Sure, Kim might. But he's too solitary, too alone, to be cause for concern. It's the highest ranks of military and government that enjoy the best that the country can offer them. And they're organized. I can't picture Kim realistically being seen as some sort of demigod by his generals, can you?
[editline]12th February 2013[/editline]
So he's either in full agreement with them and helping them get what they want, or he's being forced to help them by threats to his life or the life of his family. Either way, nothing will change.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;39558125]I look forward to the day when Kim Jong-un is executed.[/QUOTE]
this really struck no one else as horrible?
even if you acknowledge that the world would be better off without certain people and even if one argued that they might deserve death, how can you be so callous as to look forward to watching someone die?
[QUOTE=Faren;39558990]this really struck no one else as horrible?
even if you acknowledge that the world would be better off without certain people and even if one argued that they might deserve death, how can you be so callous as to look forward to watching someone die?[/QUOTE]
We just sort of ingnored it, really. Aman's not exactly a rocket scientist at the best of times, and his views are pretty far right-wing.
oh is he known for that sort of stuff?
fair enough then
[QUOTE=archangel125;39558958]I'm still not convinced. Appearances are important, after all. There may have been any multitude of reasons for having that guy killed.
Here's why I think the way I do: Whose interests are served by maintaining the status quo in North Korea? Who gets to enjoy the high life? Sure, Kim might. But he's too solitary, too alone, to be cause for concern. It's the highest ranks of military and government that enjoy the best that the country can offer them. And they're organized. I can't picture Kim realistically being seen as some sort of demigod by his generals, can you?
[editline]12th February 2013[/editline]
So he's either in full agreement with them and helping them get what they want, or he's being forced to help them by threats to his life or the life of his family. Either way, nothing will change.[/QUOTE]
Fair point. It would explain some inconsistencies regarding some of the recent actions he's taken, such as talking about reforming the country's economy with foreign aid one second, and then getting more aggresive with the nuclear weapons program, further isolating themselves the next.
Then again, we can only speculate about what really goes on in NK's government.
Wouldn't it be relatively easy to neutralise a nuclear warhead, given that there's not much chance they'll be able to launch one without us knowing in advance, and it has to cross a pretty large ocean before it can hit the US
[QUOTE=Maloof?;39559051]Wouldn't it be relatively easy to neutralise a nuclear warhead, given that there's not much chance they'll be able to launch one without us knowing in advance, and it has to cross a pretty large ocean before it can hit the US[/QUOTE]
It's a possible but difficult task. It'll prevent it from hitting us, but won't prevent the storm that'll hit the NK.
[QUOTE=archangel125;39558681]Hey, the US is more of a threat to global peace and freedom than NK ever was, to be honest. Wouldn't it be just as justified if the same action was taken against the States?
It's real easy to say "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out," isn't it?
You shouldn't run your mouth, you start looking like an ignorant cocksucker.[/QUOTE]
If your avatar is correct and you are from Canada, Please stop saying stupid shit like this. It makes us all look bad.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;39559069]If your avatar is correct and you are from Canada, Please stop saying stupid shit like this. It makes us all look bad.[/QUOTE]
While the last line may have been unnecessarily hostile, he's right.
Unless you think "just nuke 'em, I don't give a fuck" is a perfectly good thing to say.
I really hope they don't do something stupid. It scares me that a country so disconnected with the rest of the world has the ability to destroy a city in another country.
And if they put the nuke to use, they are pretty much fucked. I don't see it really starting a World War 3, I don't think North Korea really has any allies anymore.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;39559051]Wouldn't it be relatively easy to neutralise a nuclear warhead, given that there's not much chance they'll be able to launch one without us knowing in advance, and it has to cross a pretty large ocean before it can hit the US[/QUOTE]
If they were to nuke someone, it doesn't necessarily have to be the US. It would more likely be South Korea, and there's not much travel time there.
[QUOTE=archangel125;39558681]Hey, the US is more of a threat to global peace and freedom than NK ever was, to be honest. Wouldn't it be just as justified if the same action was taken against the States?
It's real easy to say "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out," isn't it?
You shouldn't run your mouth, you start looking like an ignorant cocksucker.[/QUOTE]
If you compare attitudes of the current administrations and nothing else, the Canadian government is by far a larger threat to world peace and stability than that of the United States. The only thing making this not true in the real world is our lack of military prowess.
Time for a yearly nuke test sponsored by North Korea.
[video=youtube;zVJZZFB5wOs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJZZFB5wOs[/video]
underground nuke testing if anyone wanted to see
[QUOTE=Maloof?;39559051]Wouldn't it be relatively easy to neutralise a nuclear warhead, given that there's not much chance they'll be able to launch one without us knowing in advance, and it has to cross a pretty large ocean before it can hit the US[/QUOTE]
Yeah, North Korea doesn't have the most advanced missiles. It's like 50-50 odds it takes itself out.
And we always seem to have an AEGIS ship somewhere nearby. It's not official, but we're basically keeping watch to shoot down any actual attacks.
(And after this, I wouldn't be surprised if their next missile test becomes a victim to our own anti-missile tests - just a thought)
[I]Details of the Earthquake[/I]
(1) Time of Occurence 11:57:50 (AM), February 12, 2013
(2) Center and Scale of Earthquake
North Latitude: 41.2 Degree
East Longitude: 129.3 Degree
Depth: 0 kilometer
Scale: magnitude of 5.2
(Reference) Earthquake at the time of the underground nuclear test conducted on may 25th, 2009
North Latitude: 41.2 Degree
East Longitude: 129.2 Degree
[B]Depth: 0 kilometer [/B]
Scale: magnitude of 5.3
[url=http://rt.com/news/north-korea-artificial-earthquake-981/]Source[/url]
Their previous test (last year ago?) was on basically the same place, off by a few tenths of a degree.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;39558125]I look forward to the day when Kim Jong-un is executed.[/QUOTE]
you really think he's the one behind this, seriously? the military are the ones in charge not kim
This honestly scares the shit out of me. I know they don't have really any allies but the fact that they just dont care is what scares me.
I googled the coordinates 41.2N 129.3E
[url]https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=41.2+degrees+north,+129.3+degrees+west&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42261806,d.dmQ&biw=1255&bih=895&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl[/url]
"Nuclear Test Road" North Hamgyong, North Korea
Google is all knowing.
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