Top Neurosurgeon claims he has proof of heaven after he awakes from a week long coma. With brain sca
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[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;37983437]Don't even bother trying. This forum is filled to the brim with hard-line empiricists, atheists and skeptics.[/QUOTE]
Apparently skepticism and asking for testable proof is now hard-line. Amazing.
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He also goes on to describe "Flocks of transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamer-like lines behind them."[/QUOTE]
Sounds like what most people describe as astral projection. ie: The unconscious mind receiving information from sensory input which creates a spatial projection of the surrounding area.
I sometimes do this when I lucid dream. When you are unconscious your mind is restricted to what it already knows. There is nothing supernatural about it.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37975335]I'm pretty sure DMT isn't present in the brain, but the precursor compounds are.[/QUOTE] Neuroscience 101: Mind-affecting drugs are already present in the brain, or said drugs wouldn't be drugs.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37982166]that is a hypothesis and is not known at all, basically some dude just said "This might happen" but for some reason everyone says this as if its fact[/QUOTE]
It's a fairly well-established hypothesis with an empirical basis and Strassman's work is regularly cited in academic journals.
But I agree it's fucking silly to cite here, you don't need DMT to explain this. You can sum this up the same way PZ Myers demolished that Beauregard fellow not long ago, and it doesn't involve any brain-shutdown-tripping.
[QUOTE=PZ Myers]The subject, they say, was flat-lined during the incident — the heart was still and there was no brain activity, and yet, they claim, the subject was experiencing detailed perceptual events during this period of material inactivity. What they gloss over is the simple fact that, while there was definitely a period when their brain was functionally inert, they are describing these events afterward, in a period when their brain is fully active... making the ignorant mistake of assuming that our consciousness is a continuous stream of recorded mental activity, and that a remembered event must necessarily have actually occurred.
That’s not how memories work. Our brains don’t tuck away a movie of our experiences somewhere in our temporal lobe; they store a few little details away, with a web of associations, and basically [I]reconstruct[/I] the event when we try to recall it. This is why eyewitness testimony is unreliable — memory is dynamic and constantly being modified by later experience. When we lose conscious awareness and later recover it, the brain has absolutely no problem inventing a continuous narrative to fill in the blanks, and in fact, the way our minds work, we [I]want[/I] that narrative. To consider that we didn’t exist for an interval of time is something we linear creatures tend to shy away from.
So when someone claims that a report of a recollection from a time when they were clinically dead is evidence of a mind functioning during that period when the brain was nonfunctional, you should know they’re full of shit. It’s evidence of no such thing.
The recollection of vivid and complex thoughts while the heart is stopped is not only easily explained, it’s pretty much the default understanding by neuroscientists of how the brain works.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Levithan;37984498]Neuroscience 101: Mind-affecting drugs are already present in the brain, or said drugs wouldn't be drugs.[/QUOTE]
LSD is not endogenous to the brain, scooter.
[QUOTE=Scar;37974058]Doesn't the brain release tons of DMT when you're close to death?
That would explain his "visions"[/QUOTE]
I rather cease my existence than continue it in an illusionary-world.
i believe it
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;37984580]I rather cease my existence than continue it in an illusionary-world.[/QUOTE]
I'm okay with non existence, but I wouldn't mind a dream world either.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;37984543]It's a fairly well-established hypothesis with an empirical basis and Strassman's work is regularly cited in academic journals.
But I agree it's fucking silly to cite here, you don't need DMT to explain this. You can sum this up the same way PZ Myers demolished that Beauregard fellow not long ago, and it doesn't involve any brain-shutdown-tripping.
LSD is not endogenous to the brain, scooter.[/QUOTE]
Please show me his empirical evidence, him saying its released during death and dreams is pure speculation
[editline]10th October 2012[/editline]
taken from wikipedia
[quote]However, Strassman has not provided much of the explanation for the mechanism's mysterious qualities by which this synthesis could produce levels of DMT that would lead to such effects. Although the necessary constituents (see methyltransferases) needed to make DMT are found in the pineal gland, the enzyme's stereospecificity only allows for the conversion of serotonin to melatonin and vice versa. Others in the field of neurochemistry have not accepted this explanation of DMT's role in this function due to the absence of supporting evidence (i.e. a plausible synthesis mechanism or direct evidence that DMT is found in higher concentration in the body under these circumstances).[/quote]
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;37983437]Don't even bother trying. This forum is filled to the brim with hard-line empiricists, atheists and skeptics.[/QUOTE]
empiricism is a bad thing now? what time do you live in
if the THOUGHT part had shut down how come he was able to THINK of heaven... checkmate atheists
[QUOTE=irukandji;37982208]F*** off with your DMT nonsense.
After 7 days there's still some sorts of interference from DMT or whatever?
You won't even admit the possibility of it happening to that dude, a scientist, a sceptic.
I think it should happen to you next, so everyone can call you "loony" and "crazy" and "dreamer".
Stop being so telluric (bound to earth and physicallity).[/QUOTE]
so then wise-one, how come every time someone has an "otherworldly experience" its completely different?
[QUOTE=abcpea3;37987342]so then wise-one, how come every time someone has an "otherworldly experience" its completely different?[/QUOTE]
I would beg to differ, people have different experiences presumably because they are ineffable. And you ask them: describe what you saw. And they say they cant. But you force them. And so they must use words that are close to what they are thinking of but because each is raised in a different culture they use different vocabulary to describe the same experience. Especially in OBE.
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