• iOS reportedly moving towards more modern, 'flat' design under new leadership of Jony Ive
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I really dont care about the look of IOS for my Iphone, its simplistic and doesnt get in the way. Not to mention you can change the themes with the newer phones.
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i might consider the next-gen iphone if this is true.
[QUOTE=buro;39994575]I am using a custom UI anyways [t]http://modmyi.com/images/nickhesson/glasklarthd.jpg[/t] I like the flat windows 8 design but what I don't like is that sometimes flat designs are so minimalist that they look lazily done. Like google and windows phone menus lack clear borders and are just text.[/QUOTE] What do you mean, lack clear borders? Android menu's are beautifully simplistic.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;39995057]On iOS you just double tap the home button and you get a scrollable list although it's horizontal rather than vertical. If you're going to factor in the different in milliseconds to hit a button twice rather than once, you might as well factor in that an iPhone 5 with the 1.3GHz Swift CPU will pull up that menu some number of milliseconds faster than Android can render it on a Snapdragon S4.[/QUOTE] Oh, did they change it? Didn't you used to have to hold the button down for a while? Also what do you mean about the Snapdragon S4? Are you trying to say that the iPhone's 5's CPU is going to [b]pull up a list of open applications[/b] faster? I doubt the iPhone 5 will be faster than the S4 at doing that but either way it would be negligible :v:
Android guy here. It's great to see that innovation is cropping back up in the design department. The last thing we need is Android & iOS sitting around doing nothing with design. Stale development is a loss for users, but competition brings about change, which is nice!
[QUOTE=Elspin;39995217]Oh, did they change it? Didn't you used to have to hold the button down for a while? Also what do you mean about the Snapdragon S4? Are you trying to say that the iPhone's 5's CPU is going to [b]pull up a list of open applications[/b] faster? I doubt the iPhone 5 will be faster than the S4 at doing that but either way it would be negligible :v:[/QUOTE] Nah it was never hold, double tap. Also about the S4, yes, actually it would be. iOS software optimization coupled with Swift and the SGX543MP3 puts it ahead of any other phone in terms of performance in benchmarks(bar Snapdragon 600 devices and A15 quads), although cross platform benchmarking isn't that great. And it being negligible is the entire point of the statement. The time it takes to hit a button twice is negligible and you might as well factor in that iOS is faster and things load faster accordingly if we're talking about millisecond differences.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39995270]Widgets are a clusterfuck of awful on Android. They aren't consistent in the slightest, there all different sizes and styles and behave differently. Googles own apps don't even have matching widgets.[/QUOTE] That's a big problem with icons too. They should really have designated sizes where padding with transparent space isn't allowed. My homescreen goes to the edges, why does a widget need a ton of blank space on the sides?
[QUOTE=Kaabii;39995250]Nah it was never hold, double tap. Also about the S4, yes, actually it would be. iOS software optimization coupled with Swift puts it ahead of any other phone in terms of performance in benchmarks, although cross platform benchmarking isn't that great.[/QUOTE] The iPhone 5 was ahead of the galaxy S3 by a meager [b]2.6%[/b] in the last benchmark posted, and was both newer and using a processor with higher speed and lower cores which is drastically easier to optimize :v: The chances that the iPhone 5 will perform better than the S4 are unbelievably slim
[QUOTE=Kaabii;39995286]That's a big problem with icons too. They should really have designated sizes where padding with transparent space isn't allowed. My homescreen goes to the edges, why does a widget need a ton of blank space on the sides?[/QUOTE] This I agree with, widget sizes are horrible.
[QUOTE=Elspin;39995304]The iPhone 5 was ahead of the galaxy S3 by a meager [b]2.6%[/b] in the last benchmark posted, and was both newer and using a processor with higher speed and lower cores which is drastically easier to optimize :v: The chances that the iPhone 5 will perform better than the S4 are unbelievably slim[/QUOTE] It might not outperform the S4 in raw power, however iOS is almost guaranteed to be a lot more responsive on the iPhone 5 than Android will be in the S4, simply due to the fact that iOS is optimized to be run on special hardware rather than being a one-size-fits-all solution like Android.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;39995337]It might not outperform the S4 in raw power, however iOS is almost guaranteed to be a lot more responsive on the iPhone 5 than Android will be in the S4, simply due to the fact that iOS is optimized to be run on special hardware rather than being a one-size-fits-all solution like Android.[/QUOTE] He's right, you know.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39995313][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xshanwU.png[/IMG] Case in point Get your shit together Google![/QUOTE] Uh, you're the one that decided to put those together not google. Why are you blaming them for your own design choices? If you don't like it like that, use other widgets. Put them on different pages..
Not to mention the fact that you have to manually control the performance of an Android device whereas Apple gives you about as much control as my parents when I was 13, and for the same reasons, "it's for your own good". Fuck you Dad.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39995350]Uh, you're the one that decided to put those together not google. Why are you blaming them for your own design choices? If you don't like it like that, use other widgets. Put them on different pages..[/QUOTE] He's making the point that those are widgets made by Google and they're not consistent.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39994390]The lack of NFC, the lack of users being able to decide which browser they want to open a URL with, which navigation application they want to open a physical address with, which way they want to use a telephone number, true multitasking, alternative keyboards, customization, widgets, custom ROMs/kernels, native USB support/file management Just to name a few.[/QUOTE] NFC - absouletely, I would also like them to support Bluetooth sharing Lack of choice - no doubt, though jailbreaking has an app that does that True Multitasking - not needed, the current system they use works well and unlike android doesn't slow down the device Alternative keyboards - most people like stock unless you have a horrible keyboard then you look around Widgets - Apple supports widgets (which are only two and its only for iPhones) in the notification center, it really doesn't need widgets File manager - yeah that'd be alright all the rest are shit that normal apple users wouldn't give a fuck about and i hope he takes the best of google's holo design and window's metro because i reckon that'd look superior
[QUOTE=Poo Monst3r;39995358]Not to mention the fact that you have to manually control the performance of an Android device whereas Apple gives you about as much control as my parents when I was 13, and for the same reasons, "it's for your own good". Fuck you Dad.[/QUOTE] But the average person won't want to tweak their performance with new ROMs, kernels, minfree tweaks etc. They just want a device that works smoothly. I myself love tinkering with my devices, I've never kept anything I own in a stock state for long. But my mom wouldn't want to use her iPhone 4 if she needed to tinker with settings to get the best out of the device.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;39995370]He's making the point that those are widgets made by Google and they're not consistent.[/QUOTE] I don't see why they need to be. They might all be from Google, but they're all different teams, different design ideas, different products. They try to make them look somewhat look the same, but at the end of the day they're not the same product, and thus look differently.
[QUOTE=Elspin;39995304]The iPhone 5 was ahead of the galaxy S3 by a meager [b]2.6%[/b] in the last benchmark posted, and was both newer and using a processor with higher speed and lower cores which is drastically easier to optimize :v: The chances that the iPhone 5 will perform better than the S4 are unbelievably slim[/QUOTE] I never said it would be better than the S4. Read my post. [quote][B]BARRING A15[/b][/quote] The exynos 5 octa is an A15/A7 device. Also the iPhone 5 will still be smoother or equally as smooth since it's consistent 60fps but as for raw loading times, yes the S4 will probably be faster. It seems like you just pulled that 2.6% out of your ass though. [img_thumb]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6330/50942.png[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6330/50943.png[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=sp00ks;39994279]Apple probably makes the best hardware in the industry (haven't tried the HTC One yet, it looks amazing though), but the software is amazingly outdated. Extremely polished, but outdated.[/QUOTE] I don't think you meant what you said. You may be confusing Apple with another company.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;39995337]It might not outperform the S4 in raw power, however iOS is almost guaranteed to be a lot more responsive on the iPhone 5 than Android will be in the S4, simply due to the fact that iOS is optimized to be run on special hardware rather than being a one-size-fits-all solution like Android.[/QUOTE] The end result is more important than the factor of which it's optimized - for example (using meaningless numbers for clarity) say device 1 has a processing power of 2000 with an efficiency of 80%, and device 2 has a processing power of 1500 with an efficiency of 90% - device one is still more useful, because 2000*0.8>1500*0.9. I'm not in any way trying to imply that the actual magnitudes of performance will be like that, just saying that in the end being a bit more optimized is not enough to make up for having hardware of a significant step down in quality. In terms of responsiveness, both are so fast now that I honestly think that at this point the difference is negligible. Maybe before jelly bean there was a bit of a case for the iPhone being a more responsive device but I honestly don't think there is now.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39995421]They can't even get the fucking margin/padding consistent! Never mind design.[/QUOTE] That IS design.
[QUOTE=Elspin;39995425]The end result is more important than the factor of which it's optimized - for example (using meaningless numbers for clarity) say device 1 has a processing power of 2000 with an efficiency of 80%, and device 2 has a processing power of 1500 with an efficiency of 90% - device one is still more useful, because 2000*0.8>1500*0.9. I'm not in any way trying to imply that the actual magnitudes of performance will be like that, just saying that in the end being a bit more optimized is not enough to make up for having hardware of a significant step down in quality. In terms of responsiveness, both are so fast now that I honestly think that at this point the difference is negligible. Maybe before jelly bean there was a bit of a case for the iPhone being a more responsive device but I honestly don't think there is now.[/QUOTE] There is. I've spent hours with the Nexus 4 now and lots of things like scrolling when there's network loads or during a read/write is still atrocious. Even the app drawer can stutter when you're scrolling fast. The Galaxy Nexus is even worse despite being the launch device for "60fps project butter". It doesn't even scroll at 60fps half the time.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39995403]I don't see why they need to be. They might all be from Google, but they're all different teams, different design ideas, different products. They try to make them look somewhat look the same, but at the end of the day they're not the same product, and thus look differently.[/QUOTE] I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, even in Google's apps included with stock Android there's differences in the UI and inconsistencies everywhere in the way things work, making it confusing for anyone. The back button in Android has a completely random use depending on what app you have open at the time. Its supposed to work as a a button to go 'back' in your history, but some apps will just treat it as "Go to previous screen" even if you opened that app through something in another application, causing a large discrepancy in the button's usage.
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[QUOTE=Kaabii;39995418]I never said it would be better than the S4. Read my post. The exynos 5 octa is an A15/A7 device. Also the iPhone 5 will still be smoother or equally as smooth since it's consistent 60fps but as for raw loading times, yes the S4 will probably be faster. It seems like you just pulled that 2.6% out of your ass though. [img_thumb]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6330/50942.png[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6330/50943.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] The 2.6% was from this benchmark which was pretty big in SH a while ago. It did not come from anywhere near the vicinity of my ass and is actually information viewable on the internet, and not on my ass [img]http://cdn.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Android-Benchmarks.gif[/img] As for the benchmarks you posted, one appears to be a test not on the phone's operating system itself but rather on javascript in the default browser (which doesn't seem relevant to performance of the phone overall at all)? The other one I'm not so sure on, perhaps you could explain?
[QUOTE=Elspin;39995486]The 2.6% was from this benchmark which was pretty big in SH a while ago. It did not come from anywhere near the vicinity of my ass and is actually information viewable on the internet, and not on my ass [img]http://cdn.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Android-Benchmarks.gif[/img] As for the benchmarks you posted, one appears to be a test not on the phone's operating system itself but rather on javascript in the default browser (which doesn't seem relevant to performance of the phone overall at all)? The other one I'm not so sure on, perhaps you could explain?[/QUOTE] That's pretty much the only way to do cross platform benchmarking. What benchmark are your charts from? It doesn't even have the clockspeed of the iPhone 5 right so I'm sorry but it doesn't look very credible. If you're questioning the credibility of Anandtech's testing of all sites, I guess tech journalism must be dead because that's as in depth and accurate as you get.
[QUOTE=Elspin;39995486]The 2.6% was from this benchmark which was pretty big in SH a while ago. It did not come from anywhere near the vicinity of my ass and is actually information viewable on the internet, and not on my ass [img]http://cdn.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Android-Benchmarks.gif[/img] As for the benchmarks you posted, one appears to be a test not on the phone's operating system itself but rather on javascript in the default browser (which doesn't seem relevant to performance of the phone overall at all)? The other one I'm not so sure on, perhaps you could explain?[/QUOTE] Both are browser tests of some sorts I believe. [editline]22nd March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kaabii;39995500]That's pretty much the only way to do cross platform benchmarking. What benchmark are your charts from? It doesn't even have the clockspeed of the iPhone 5 right so I'm sorry but it doesn't look very credible. If you're questioning the credibility of Anandtech's testing of all sites, I guess tech journalism must be dead because that's as in depth and accurate as you get.[/QUOTE] This is the source of that benchmark: [url]http://browser.primatelabs.com/android-benchmarks[/url]
[QUOTE=buro;39994575] [t]http://modmyi.com/images/nickhesson/glasklarthd.jpg[/t] [/QUOTE] To me, Metro and Android are too simplistic, and yes current iOS is way too glossy. But there's a nice line in the middle where the design can be perfect, in my opinion. That screenshot shows a good example of it. All the icons are a plain color which allows for a nice simplistic consistency, yet the design still contains some elements which make it look not too plain, like subtle shadows under the icons and the icon borders
[QUOTE=Kaabii;39995500]That's pretty much the only way to do cross platform benchmarking. What benchmark are your charts from? It doesn't even have the clockspeed of the iPhone 5 right so I'm sorry but it doesn't look very credible. If you're questioning the credibility of Anandtech's testing of all sites, I guess tech journalism must be dead because that's as in depth and accurate as you get.[/QUOTE] What do you mean it's the only way to do cross platform benchmarking, there's tonnes of better ways to represent the performance of the devices fairly, how is measuring the time it takes to render a scripting language for websites in the default browser a fair comparison of devices? Why not compare, say, the FPS of the UI, the ms delay for touch input, and the ability to render similar 2D/3D scenes to give an overall level of quality for both devices?
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