• Top Gear producer to sue Clarkson & BBC for racial discrimination
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[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;49109871]Quit being so thin-skinned. It's a damn insult. Humanity makes those.[/QUOTE] You do realize you're defending workplace harassment?
Irish is not a race, case closed.
[QUOTE=nVidia;49109982]Irish is not a race, case closed.[/QUOTE] irish is a ethnicity the producer is a idiot tho.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;49109929]You do realize you're defending workplace harassment?[/QUOTE] Yes. Yes, I do. When everything that juts out of a man's mouth about someone's pronouns is being put in the same tier as shoving a dildo into someone's mouth, I'm afraid I have a problem with that.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49109314]People don't analyse every word they use, especially when angry.[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean there isn't meaning behind why that word was chosen. Otherwise angry people would literally say any random word before an insult. Are you trying to suggest that, despite the common xenophobic stereotype that Irish people are lazy, Clarkson chose "lazy" and "Irish" at random because he was mad?
I can say with a degree of certainty that lazy is not a stereotype attributed to the Irish.
[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;49110496]I can say with a degree of certainty that lazy is not a stereotype attributed to the Irish.[/QUOTE] Mind elaborating? I can think of a lot to counter that, the most famous probably being during the Irish Potato Famine in the 19th century one of the UK justifications for sending them pathetic amounts of aid were that the Irish were lazy and that "free food" would merely encourage them to be more so. Believe me, this goes way back and it's not something that has really gone away. Just google "Irish lazy stereotype" and you'll get a wealth of relevant results.
[QUOTE=shozamar;49110234]That doesn't mean there isn't meaning behind why that word was chosen. Otherwise angry people would literally say any random word before an insult. Are you trying to suggest that, despite the common xenophobic stereotype that Irish people are lazy, Clarkson chose "lazy" and "Irish" at random because he was mad?[/QUOTE] Generally, people try to be offensive when insulting someone. That's kind of the point.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49112539]Generally, people try to be offensive when insulting someone. That's kind of the point.[/QUOTE] Question: would you have the same, forgiving mentality if someone called another person a nigger? Would you try to justify it as, "oh, he was trying to offend" and brush it off just the same? Sure, he was trying to offend. And he was successful! And now that he's made his bed, he's going to have to lie in it. Regardless of whether or not he is racist, he is making racist comments, and I simply cannot care for the guy anymore. Sure, the media's been down his throat but I can't justify him resorting to physical violence, and I can't defend his racist remarks.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49109314]People don't analyse every word they use, especially when angry.[/QUOTE] "oh fuck that nigger" Imagine if the guy was black and he used that, even by accident and drunk. Americans on FP would not be trying to make excuses. They'd generally be the first ones manning pitchforks. Just because something falls outside of your typical racism scope doesn't mean it isn't racist in this context (and vice versa, if something is racist in your context, it might not be racist outside of it)
...more from that [url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/bbc-preventing-jeremy-clarkson-settling-6828540]"other source."[/url] [QUOTE]Jeremy Clarkson is keen to settle a legal claim by the Top Gear producer he punched in a row over a hot meal - but the BBC won't let him. A panel will decide if the long-serving producer, who is still on full pay from the BBC but has not returned to work since the assault, should be paid damages for his ordeal.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;49108715]didn't want to press charges or anything and now he's doing a 180 months later and suing? someones career didn't get the boost they thought it would[/QUOTE] Bring that to the attention of the judge and the case will be thrown out.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49112739]Question: would you have the same, forgiving mentality if someone called another person a nigger? Would you try to justify it as, "oh, he was trying to offend" and brush it off just the same? Sure, he was trying to offend. And he was successful! And now that he's made his bed, he's going to have to lie in it. Regardless of whether or not he is racist, he is making racist comments, and I simply cannot care for the guy anymore. Sure, the media's been down his throat but I can't justify him resorting to physical violence, and I can't defend his racist remarks.[/QUOTE] To be honest, if a person lived their normal life in a non-racist way and then called a black person a 'nigger' in a fit of rage, then no, I probably wouldn't assume that person was a racist. I take people as a whole and judge single examples within that whole. Racism is a belief system, not a word. [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] To be clear: I'm not saying that it's good that he used racial language, but that it doesn't make him a racist, or racially discriminatory. I, personally, feel that there's almost never a need to resort to name calling in a professional environment. I don't see calling someone a 'lazy irishman' (or nigger) any worse than calling someone a 'fucking imbecile.' They both intend to offend and insult another person. One just happens to be about their race and another happens to be about their intelligence.
[QUOTE=Purple Gecko;49108597]Proof that he'd only said he was fine about it at the time to avoid getting dogpiled by the media I suppose.[/QUOTE] I think it's probably just him being a greedy bastard
[QUOTE=Grizz;49116346]...more from that [url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/bbc-preventing-jeremy-clarkson-settling-6828540]"other source."[/url] [quote]A panel will decide if the long-serving producer, [B]who is still on full pay from the BBC but has not returned to work since the assault[/B], should be paid damages for his ordeal.[/quote][/QUOTE] Fucking lol
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49112739]Question: would you have the same, forgiving mentality if someone called another person a nigger? Would you try to justify it as, "oh, he was trying to offend" and brush it off just the same?[/QUOTE] Exactly. I mean, that's what I do.
Going that guy's way I should sue anyone that would ever insult me. If this goes through I could see a lot of cases like that going through in the UK, just for a petty insult. I know that insulting other people is bad, but seriously, resorting to a court for that kind of stuff is just a waste of the tax payers' money, just as leaving that guy with a full paycheck without working for 7 months.
Calling somebody names doesn't matter. I don't care if you're homosexual, black, Mexican, Irish, whatever. It's just words. Stop crying. If the guy wants to sue him, sue him for the physical assault and get over the name calling bullshit.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;49129304]Calling somebody names doesn't matter. I don't care if you're homosexual, black, Mexican, Irish, whatever. It's just words. Stop crying. If the guy wants to sue him, sue him for the physical assault and get over the name calling bullshit.[/QUOTE] Making the workplace awful to work in mentally is just as bad as making the workplace awful to work in physically. I'm all for people developing a thicker skin, but I hate making that the end-all-be-all and I'm not about to defend people being an asshole. People need to move on after things like this simply because letting it destroy them is bad, but trying to defend the use of the word "faggot", "nigger", and other things like that because of that is just ridiculous.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49130569]Making the workplace awful to work in mentally is just as bad as making the workplace awful to work in physically. I'm all for people developing a thicker skin, but I hate making that the end-all-be-all and I'm not about to defend people being an asshole. People need to move on after things like this simply because letting it destroy them is bad, but trying to defend the use of the word "faggot", "nigger", and other things like that because of that is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I'm fine with the company firing him for insulting people, but we're talking about a legal suit here.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49130623]I'm fine with the company firing him for insulting people, but we're talking about a legal suit here.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and to that extent I think it's uncool. Neither side is correct. I just don't think that saying "it's just words" and "stop crying" is a fair reaction to this debacle.
I miss the days where you could have a straight up honest punchup with someone over a disagreement or argument, and afterwards dust yourself off, shakes hand and be on your seperate ways. Or maybe it's because I'm northern and thats just how we did things up here.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;49130861]I miss the days where you could have a straight up honest punchup with someone over a disagreement or argument, and afterwards dust yourself off, shakes hand and be on your seperate ways. Or maybe it's because I'm northern and thats just how we did things up here.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that needs to be a thing of the past. If you can't handle things professionally, why involve yourself with profession? There's some stuff about being PC that I'm not really into and a lot of PC stuff that I'm all for - coming to work and expecting that one won't be punched in the face is something I think most people would appreciate. People should feel safe at work.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49130569]Making the workplace awful to work in mentally is just as bad as making the workplace awful to work in physically. I'm all for people developing a thicker skin, but I hate making that the end-all-be-all and I'm not about to defend people being an asshole. People need to move on after things like this simply because letting it destroy them is bad, but trying to defend the use of the word "faggot", "nigger", and other things like that because of that is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE] If it's inappropriate for the workplace, the workplace can take care of it and fire him(they did) or penalize him in some other way. The idea that you should be able to sue someone because they hurt your feelings by calling you a bad word is retarded.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;49133891]If it's inappropriate for the workplace, the workplace can take care of it and fire him(they did) or penalize him in some other way. The idea that you should be able to sue someone because they hurt your feelings by calling you a bad word is retarded.[/QUOTE] I won't defend the suing unless he's bringing more examples of racism to the table. I think suing for racism is fine if it's affecting pay and employment, or promoting other forms of harassment (physical, for example). If he delves into issues regarding those, cool. If not, it'll work itself out.
So.. he got punched and called a name.. and he's suing for the part where he was called a name? What a twat (awaiting lawsuit). They fired Clarkson and everyone can't get on with their lives, why? And especially why can't he go back to work?
The lazy irish cunt needs to get back to work instead of still taking sick pay and suing for namecalling [sp]I'm not being racist, I'm just showing that he is actually lazy by the looks of it lol[/sp]
he got called a name and now hes trying to exploit clarkson from it whats new
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