She Said a Police Officer Sexually Abused Her. His Body Camera Tells a Different Story [VIDEO]
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[QUOTE=DMGaina;47763102]What do you expect, it's Germany.
You can't change shit here without 3 years of debate and bureaucracy.
Even video material as evidence is problematic since you violate the personality rights of the ones on the video. It's the reason why dashcams are illegal. v:v:v[/QUOTE]
Dashcams, illegal?
What in the shit are you doing, Germany.
Why would anyone have an issue with body camera? Not only does it encourage officers to act in accordance for the law it also helps sort out cases like this
What downside is there to this?
[editline]20th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dr. Punchgroin;47762418]That's good that this was caught but it seems like this article is trying to promote the idea that cops don't regularly sexually assault people
which they do[/QUOTE]
Do you have experience with this or are you just making shit up?
[QUOTE=DMGaina;47763102]What do you expect, it's Germany.
You can't change shit here without 3 years of debate and bureaucracy.
Even video material as evidence is problematic since you violate the personality rights of the ones on the video. It's the reason why dashcams are illegal. v:v:v[/QUOTE]
Dashcams are illegal? That's retarded.
All that bullshit paperwork for a single DUI. Being a cop used to be fun
The officer seems nice, I mean hes calm and talks to her in normal manner not going ape shit crazy like some are. And yet she acts like a complete ass to him trying to get him in trouble.
Makes me think - How many of such decent people who didn't do a thing are either in jail now or are facing troubles over skanks like these who use this whole "he raped/assaulted me" thing.
[QUOTE=Reds;47761979]"muh privacy", like you aren't already being recorded by a ton of cameras when you go out in public, and like anybody cares about what you're doing in public.[/QUOTE]
Domestic disputes exist and cops have to go into peoples homes all the time, it's one of the most common calls they get. I fully support body cameras for cops but some people for some unknown reason, will argue against them due to privacy concerns. It's not like they're there to illegally search your home, and if you're gonna beat your wife it's best not to leave your heroin needles and baggies of cocaine on the previously good china platter in the living room when they bust through the door.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47762025]Or better, complaining about privacy.
On your facebook.
With position tracking enabled, statuses set to public, and good dozen photos of whatever the fuck are you doing, every week.[/QUOTE]
I would imagine that's slightly different given that it's your choice to make that public.
Though I think anyone arguing that is grasping at straws.
[editline]20th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=WarRage333;47761876]Give her a few years in prison, put that shit up all over the media to show people can't get away with shit like this.[/QUOTE]
"A few years" sounds a tad excessive, maybe a year max?
If I get arrested for something, and the cop is wearing one of these, can I request to see the tape?
I think if they get to re-analyse the footage and write down everything I say and use it in their prosecution of me, I should get to use it in my defense, right?
[editline]20th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47764862]
"A few years" sounds a tad excessive, maybe a year max?[/QUOTE]
Nah dude, everybody watched gone girl. No jury's going light on this kinda stuff :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47764862]
"A few years" sounds a tad excessive, maybe a year max?[/QUOTE]
Rape accusations are horrible. Even if you're proven innocent, your reputation has a high chance of being damaged for a really long time. I would say at least 3 years. Rape is a serious crime, false accusations should be punished severely in order not to trivialize valid cases.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47764937]Rape accusations are horrible. Even if you're proven innocent, your reputation has a high chance of being damaged for a really long time. I would say at least 3 years. Rape is a serious crime, false accusations should be punished severely in order not to trivialize valid cases.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps in general, but this case was very clear-cut with the camera.
Without the camera, it would have been a longordeal and probably would have tarnished the officer's reputation regardless of being proven innocent. But the courts and justice in general do not consider "what-ifs" when applying the law.
[editline]20th May 2015[/editline]
I can see giving her "a few years" if he was proven innocent without the camera, but for this particular scenario, I don't see that as necessary.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47764953]Perhaps in general, but this case was very clear-cut with the camera.
Without the camera, it would have been a longordeal and probably would have tarnished the officer's reputation regardless of being proven innocent. But the courts and justice in general do not consider "what-ifs" when applying the law.
[editline]20th May 2015[/editline]
I can see giving her "a few years" if he was proven innocent without the camera, but for this particular scenario, I don't see that as necessary.[/QUOTE]
How does having evidence lessen the sentence? She tried to conspire and accuse him of a serious crime which thankfully he could prove he did not commit. Give her a few years. False accusations should not be a thing and should be punished severely, evidence or not. If you can get more for possessing weed then she totally deserves it for what she did.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47764997]How does having evidence lessen the sentence? She tried to conspire and accuse him of a serious crime which thankfully he could prove he did not commit. Give her a few years. False accusations should not be a thing and should be punished severely, evidence or not. If you can get more for possessing weed then she totally deserves it for what she did.[/QUOTE]
Should at least take in consideration that she was drunk at the time of making the accusation.
[QUOTE=MedicWine;47764898]If I get arrested for something, and the cop is wearing one of these, can I request to see the tape?
I think if they get to re-analyse the footage and write down everything I say and use it in their prosecution of me, I should get to use it in my defense, right?[/QUOTE]
The tape will be entered into court via discovery. Your counsel would know what to do with all that stuff
Shame on her for attempting to "get this cop in trouble", the officer was giving her an easy go for a DUI yet she feels he deserves to get in trouble so that she wouldn't? The arrogance of some people is astounding. She got lucky, some officers don't treat intoxicated drivers with as much patience as he did in the first place. Hopefully body cams become standard among all police departments in time, they really shed light on things that otherwise can be misconstrued for either the officer or individual in question.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47765023]Should at least take in consideration that she was drunk at the time of making the accusation.[/QUOTE]
And driving. Just throw the bitch in an incinerator
I took a criminal justice course last semester in college and there are couple legitimate reasons people, namely officers, are wary of body cams. The first is that it infringes on a cop's discretion. My teacher, for example, was an officer in Florida and told us that when he would run across prostitutes he would for the first time or two take them to somewhere to get help before making an arrest or getting her in trouble. With bodycams he said that would be less likely because, depending on the chief of your station, they might watch that back and be angry with you that you didn't make an arrest. The other reason was that every bit of footage that's recorded on those has is public record. This is good in a lot of ways, but also can be embarrassing for people who may have done nothing wrong but were recorded in unfortunate situations.
Honestly I think bodycams certainly do a lot more good things than bad, but I just wanted to shed some light on the legitimate concerns people have about them.
[QUOTE=jptalbert;47765459]I took a criminal justice course last semester in college and there are couple legitimate reasons people, namely officers, are wary of body cams. The first is that it infringes on a cop's discretion. My teacher, for example, was an officer in Florida and told us that when he would run across prostitutes he would for the first time or two take them to somewhere to get help before making an arrest or getting her in trouble. With bodycams he said that would be less likely because, depending on the chief of your station, they might watch that back and be angry with you that you didn't make an arrest. The other reason was that every bit of footage that's recorded on those has is public record. This is good in a lot of ways, but also can be embarrassing for people who may have done nothing wrong but were recorded in unfortunate situations.
Honestly I think bodycams certainly do a lot more good things than bad, but I just wanted to shed some light on the legitimate concerns people have about them.[/QUOTE]
I dont really see the first concern happening. I doubt anyone is going to sift through all the body cam footage eyes peeled for a lack of an incident
[QUOTE=WarRage333;47761876]Give her a few years in prison, put that shit up all over the media to show people can't get away with shit like this.[/QUOTE]
But dude, if you do that then people who actually are abused won't come out for fear of being labeled false.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;47765489]I dont really see the first concern happening. I doubt anyone is going to sift through all the body cam footage eyes peeled for a lack of an incident[/QUOTE]
His concern wasn't so much of that happening as it was the threat of that happening causing officers to make decisions they otherwise wouldn't.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47765505]But dude, if you do that then people who actually are abused won't come out for fear of being labeled false.[/QUOTE]
Why? Lack of evidence does not mean it's fake.
[QUOTE=jptalbert;47765568]His concern wasn't so much of that happening as it was the threat of that happening causing officers to make decisions they otherwise wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
Ah I see. I suppose it would increase the pressure to do things by the book which has both positive and negative effects. But like you said I feel that the positive effects outweigh the negative
I remember watching the whole video a while back, she's fucked since her SSN is clearly visible when they bring her back to the station for a breathalyzer.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47765023]Should at least take in consideration that she was drunk at the time of making the accusation.[/QUOTE]
So let's go over what you've said so far.
Because there was solid video evidence, she deserves a lesser sentence, and because she was drunk it should be lessened further.
Holy shit this is next level white knighting.
[QUOTE=simkas;47762235]But this is proving the exact opposite? If they were real victims, the body cam would show that too.[/QUOTE]
Well if she was a real victim the cams battery would have mysteriously been dead
This has made me 100% pro-body cam
I didn't think of their use before that much but this is so obviously a good idea
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47765505]But dude, if you do that then people who actually are abused won't come out for fear of being labeled false.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between the accused being deemed not guilty, and you being proven guilty in faking it.
[QUOTE=Dr. Punchgroin;47762418]That's good that this was caught but it seems like this article is trying to promote the idea that cops don't regularly sexually assault people
which they do[/QUOTE]
[shittons of citations needed]
[QUOTE=J!NX;47765713]This has made me 100% pro-body cam
I didn't think of their use before that much but this is so obviously a good idea[/QUOTE]
When talking to a officer I don't think you have right to privaçy
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47764937]Rape accusations are horrible. Even if you're proven innocent, your reputation has a high chance of being damaged for a really long time. I would say at least 3 years. Rape is a serious crime, false accusations should be punished severely in order not to trivialize valid cases.[/QUOTE]
how exactly do you expect this to work
rape allegations are already incredibly difficult to prove on their own, do you think it's going to be any less difficult to prove that they're deliberately false? cases like these, where there is clear evidence to support a narrative, are the exceptions to the rule; without a key witness (which may be unreliable to begin with), many rape cases are down to circumstantial evidence and hearsay. not even circumstantial evidence is guaranteed to exist, due to the fact that rape victims often compulsively wash themselves following the trauma. hell, even if circumstantial evidence [I]does[/I] exist, the defense can always employ the argument that the sex was consensual.
my point is that while it's nice and dandy to want to prosecute false claims, there is often only the [I]absence[/I] of evidence that can "prove" such a thing.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;47763472]Dashcams are illegal? That's retarded.[/QUOTE]
they are because you have to at least let people know that they are recorded
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