• Muslim fanatics who called for execution of gays face up to seven years in jail
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[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34326089]Don't worry, you're probably too fat and/or ugly for them to even consider you.[/QUOTE] "Please try to contain your erections around me you silly homos."
[QUOTE=Flem;34322592]We let them come to our country; they disgrace our soldiers; they burn our flags; they bring their shit over here and expect us to adapt to their ways. Fuck off.[/QUOTE] Some westerners do the same, they're called extremists for a reason. [QUOTE=Jetblack357;34325445]I have. Nice people generally, but I still get uncomfortable.[/QUOTE] 90% of the time you can't even tell that a person's homosexual, unless you are best friends with them, especially in homophobic countries.
Sure, these guys are absolute loons who have no clue what they're talking about, but it's nonsense to throw people into jail for "inciting hatred". Having state muscle silence people who don't like you is just as bad, if not worse, as ranting and raving about people you hate.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34324293]This is another step towards thought crimes, why should the government be able to decide what people can and cannot say as long as they aren't organising violence?[/QUOTE] You failed to read this part [quote]Muslim fanatic and hate preacher Anjem Choudary was secretly invited by the group’s ringleader, Ihjaz Ali, for a series of meetings in Derby; [B]The group had links with the extremist organisation Al-Muhajiroun, which is banned under UK anti-terror laws[/B]; Moderate Muslim leaders who spoke out against the group’s activities were targeted in a hate campaign in which their faces were printed on ‘wanted’ posters; [B]Police had to be called during local elections because the group’ s supporters were standing guard at polling stations, ordering Muslims not to vote[/B]. [B]During the trial, the court heard how the group’s activities intimidated residents and left gay people frightened to walk on the streets.[/B] The first, entitled ‘Death penalty?’ proclaimed that ‘Allah permits the destruction’ of gay people and that ‘the only question is how it should be carried out’. The second, entitled ‘Turn or Burn’, featured a burning figure in a blazing lake of fire and warned that the decriminalisation of homosexuality was ‘the root of all problems’. A third, entitled ‘GAY - God Abhors You’, warned of ‘severe punishment’ for homosexuals. A fourth leaflet linked to the group, which was never distributed, described homosexuality as a ‘vile, ugly, cancerous disease’. It referred to ‘queer sinners’ and ‘faggots’ and posed the question ‘Gay Today, Paedophile Tomorrow?’[/quote]
[QUOTE=Darthveamon;34326593]Sure, these guys are absolute loons who have no clue what they're talking about, but it's nonsense to throw people into jail for "inciting hatred". Having state muscle silence people who don't like you is just as bad, if not worse, as ranting and raving about people you hate.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between censorship and attempting to inspire a movement to execute gays. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] Please learn the difference before posting again.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34325482]Actually it is. Going out and calling for a group of people to literally be executed is a very big problem. It shows that these people hate gays so much that they would be perfectly ok with just having them all killed.[/QUOTE] But if they aren't planning on actually doing it then all they're really doing is expressing and opinion. Regardless of how wrong their ideas are, you can't start censoring opinions. If someone says "I wish someone would kill David Cameron" are they guilty of plotting to assassinate the prime minister?
[quote]‘Gay Today, Paedophile Tomorrow?’[/quote] Hahahahaha, how even.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34325445]I have. Nice people generally, but I still get uncomfortable.[/QUOTE] dude they're normal people no reason to dislike them
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34327567]But if they aren't planning on actually doing it then all they're really doing is expressing and opinion. Regardless of how wrong their ideas are, you can't start censoring opinions. If someone says "I wish someone would kill David Cameron" are they guilty of plotting to assassinate the prime minister?[/QUOTE] There's a difference between saying something offhand and a group of people handing out leaflets about it.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;34325748]Fucking Islam. Anyone who believes in what the Qu'ran says is pretty fucking dumb. I think it's funny that most of the moderate Muslims are like moderate Christians, who are completely ignorant of the things their holy texts say.[/QUOTE] Right, so if you're a moderate, then you're ignorant, but if you're a fanatic, you're a true believer. I'm sure you've talked to "most" moderate Muslims to make such a sweeping statement.
[QUOTE=Chekko;34328428]Seven years? I see executing people due to their sexual orientation just as anything. If Hitler was brought to life and had plans to execute Jews, would he get seven years? No.[/QUOTE] what
[QUOTE=Chekko;34328428]Seven years? I see executing people due to their sexual orientation just as anything. If Hitler was brought to life and had plans to execute Jews, would he get seven years? No.[/QUOTE] That second sentence is like you had a stroke while typing.
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[QUOTE=Chekko;34328762][/del]I don't know if I should take that as an insult or a joke.[/del] I blame sugar rush.[/QUOTE] You are a joke, so yes.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34324719]As much as I disagree with gays, I am glad these assholes are getting some prison time. Not saying I hate gays btw, I just get uncomfortable around them.[/QUOTE] So, babe, you come here often? Let me buy you a drink. [IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-tiphat.gif[/IMG] [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jetblack357;34325445]I have. Nice people generally, but I still get uncomfortable.[/QUOTE] I like touching mens butts. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] can I touch yours?
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34328846]You are a joke, so yes.[/QUOTE] Ouch. Thank you.
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;34328504]Right, so if you're a moderate, then you're ignorant, but if you're a fanatic, you're a true believer. I'm sure you've talked to "most" moderate Muslims to make such a sweeping statement.[/QUOTE] The only person who can be a moderate christian or muslim or jew has to either ignore or be ignorant of their holy text. Mohammed preached about ethnic cleansing, especially against the jews. He believed in killing gays and adulterers. Sharia law is fucked up, as is Mosaic law, and neither is accepted by any reasonable person ever.
Well, if they are so against gays, they're going to hate prison.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;34325540]"I Don't like gays BUT I'M NOT HOMOPHOBIC NOPE NO-SIREE"[/QUOTE] Homophobia isn't a choice, show some respect.
[QUOTE=Flem;34322592]We let them come to our country; they disgrace our soldiers; they burn our flags; they bring their shit over here and expect us to adapt to their ways. Fuck off.[/QUOTE] hmm i'm pretty sure the people who were killed and colonized under our name felt the same way.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34329998]hmm i'm pretty sure the people who were killed and colonized under our name felt the same way.[/QUOTE] No one was killed or colonized under my name.
Regardless of how much I might disagree with what they believe, I will never support a government that will imprison people for expressing what they believe.
[QUOTE=Paramud;34331457]Regardless of how much I might disagree with what they believe, I will never support a government that will imprison people for expressing what they believe.[/QUOTE] Calling for violent action to be taken against a group of people becomes a public safety issue. It's one thing to say "Well, I would love it if gays all died," or "Gays are evil," and another when you say "We should kill all the gays right now".
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34329163]The only person who can be a moderate christian or muslim or jew has to either ignore or be ignorant of their holy text. Mohammed preached about ethnic cleansing, especially against the jews. He believed in killing gays and adulterers. Sharia law is fucked up, as is Mosaic law, and neither is accepted by any reasonable person ever.[/QUOTE] Why does everything have to be black and white for you? Plenty of educated Christians and Muslims are quite aware that their book was written in a time where slavery was commonplace and women were treated poorly. Many follow some parts but simply do not abide by others. It's not "either you follow the ENTIRE text or not at all". It depends entirely on how Orthodox the individual is. And again here with the absolute terms. "No reasonable person accepts either, ever." You have not talked to every "reasonable" person on the planet. Sharia and Mosaic Law is entirely based on [I]interpretation.[/I] Conservatives, radicals, moderates, and different schools of thinking in Islam have different interpretations on it. I encourage you to do some reading on these different schools of thought, and maybe then you'll see just why you can't just oversimplify things like this.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34326724]There's a difference between censorship and attempting to inspire a movement to execute gays. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] Please learn the difference before posting again.[/QUOTE] Attempting to inspire a movement to attempt to do what? If they want the government to execute gays, then they're attempting to inspire a movement to attempt to inspire a government to attempt to pass laws to attempt to execute gay people. If that's their goal, then I think gay people can feel confident enough that won't happen that they won't need to call in the government to jail them. If they're attempting to inspire a movement to attempt to inspire individual citizens to kill gay people, even then the leaflets should remain. The leaflets themselves are people speaking freely, not plans to coordinate attacks. A movement to execute gay people should be monitored, certainly, but not prohibited from speaking their piece. And if these people are wrong and evil, then prove this in debate and speeches, let your words defeat their words and appeal to the people to reject these movements of their own volition rather than have the government march in to root out "incorrect" ideas. If these people were actively carrying out murders of gay people, and plotting to commit more, then yes they should be arrested...for murder and conspiracy, not "inciting hatred". Having the state come in is like having your older brother beat up a kid that makes fun of you at recess.
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;34331789]Why does everything have to be black and white for you? Plenty of educated Christians and Muslims are quite aware that their book was written in a time where slavery was commonplace and women were treated poorly. Many follow some parts but simply do not abide by others. It's not "either you follow the ENTIRE text or not at all". It depends entirely on how Orthodox the individual is.[/quote] It is slightly irrational to pick and choose from your holy text. You either believe that is the written word of god, or you don't. There can't be a middle ground that says "Well, the holy text is sort of divine, but not completely" Now Christians at least have the benefit of the New Testament, where a few verses say not to apply Mosaic law to other people. However, Judaism and Islam have some very clear rules to follow. These are not interpretable rules, these do not have wiggle room. It says that homosexuality is punishable by death, it says that adultery is punishable by death. If you are a rational person you cannot accept these rules, because by accepting them, you are by definition irrational. [quote]And again here with the absolute terms. "No reasonable person accepts either, ever." You have not talked to every "reasonable" person on the planet. Sharia and Mosaic Law is entirely based on [I]interpretation.[/I] Conservatives, radicals, moderates, and different schools of thinking in Islam have different interpretations on it. I encourage you to do some reading on these different schools of thought, and maybe then you'll see just why you can't just oversimplify things like this.[/QUOTE] How can you interpret: “And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them. And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them; surely Allah is oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.” as anything [i]except[/i] a death sentence for homosexuals -this is in context of the People of Lut, who are Sodomites- unless they give up their gayness. How can you interpret: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34331532]Calling for violent action to be taken against a group of people becomes a public safety issue. It's one thing to say "Well, I would love it if gays all died," or "Gays are evil," and another when you say "We should kill all the gays right now".[/QUOTE] Handing out pamphlets is just a tad different from planning on executing a large group of people.
[QUOTE=Flem;34322592]We let them come to our country; they disgrace our soldiers; they burn our flags; they bring their shit over here and expect us to adapt to their ways. Fuck off.[/QUOTE] It sounds like Muslims are to racist English Citizens as Mexicans are to racist United States Citizens.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;34332097]It sounds like Muslims are to racist English Citizens as Mexicans are to racist United States Citizens.[/QUOTE] Racist isn't the right word. Islam isn't a race. It's xenophobia.
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