4 Days Ago, NYS Passed An Important Law (Donate Your Organs Bro)
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[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42443616]I'm here for your approval[/QUOTE]
Good, I enjoy your company
There should be no law requiring you to be a donor. It takes power away from you/your family if you should have an accident and slip into a Coma or something. Then if you happen to not score what the doctors want you to on a brain activity test (Which the ones some of them use don't even take certain activity into account) you become a meatbag that serves no purpose other than to keep your organs functioning until they're needed
If you're dead, fine. But what if you aren't dead? That's the problem I have with it
I'd donate my organs but I'm afraid of getting them harvested while I'm simply "braindead".
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42442220]Maybe they should actually read what they are filling in so they see the "opt-out" checkbox? Blaming the system or accusing it of "forcing" people to donate when there is an opt-out that you can easily check is fucking stupid. The document would have to explain that by not checking the box you are assumed to be opt-in.[/QUOTE]
Laws have to account for stupidity.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;42441801]should be mandatory with an opt-out if you want to
i don't see the point in not being signed up to this though[/QUOTE]
People who say this don't seem to fathom the fact that blood-borne and fluid-borne diseases go undiagnosed for a long time in some instances. There was an incident a while back where someone who died of rabies was an organ donor and it was misdiagnosed as a cocaine OD. Scrubs did an episode about it.
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[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42443535]That's a shame isn't it. If you believe serial killers etc deserve the same treatment as people who've never killed someone then you're entitled to your opinion.
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Yes[/QUOTE]
Fascist.
Well you know what, I don't want CaptainObvious1's organs anyway. Some of his jerkass attitude might come with them.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;42443636]There should be no law requiring you to be a donor. It takes power away from you/your family if you should have an accident and slip into a Coma or something. Then if you happen to not score what the doctors want you to on a brain activity test (Which the ones some of them use don't even take certain activity into account) you become a meatbag that serves no purpose other than to keep your organs functioning until they're needed
If you're dead, fine. But what if you aren't dead? That's the problem I have with it[/QUOTE]
This, too.
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42443483]I'd rather not donate my organs that goes to someone who doesn't deserve them such as a pedophile or a rapist thank you :)[/QUOTE]
Better fire everyone working on a cure to something, because that cure might be used to cure someone who doesn't deserve it.
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42443483]I'd rather not donate my organs that goes to someone who doesn't deserve them such as a pedophile or a rapist thank you :)[/QUOTE]
By that logic you could also miss the chance of giving them to a genius or future leader that could change the world for the better.
Just because someone doesnt want to donate their organs doesnt make them a bad person, no matter what the reason is behind it. I still hold true that if they want my organs, they can scrape them off the highway where they land.
Or if I die natural, my body to be donated to science. As long as I own the organs inside my body, I'll decide what happens to them.. no matter what it is.
If by NYS you mean New York State then of course it went under the radar as Bloomberg doesn't get any sort of financial benefit from this. Nor could he find a way to weasel Snapple into it.
That aside, I think the law is a good thing. Regardless of who winds up with it, someone gets a second/extended chance at life because something happened to you. It sounds mocking/sarcastic, but I mean it in a good way.
[QUOTE=Eltro102;42443517]why do you get to decide who gets to live[/QUOTE]
Because they're his organs
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even if he's dead and obviously doesn't need them
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;42443976]
Fascist.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42443992]Well you know what, I don't want CaptainObvious1's organs anyway. Some of his jerkass attitude might come with them.[/QUOTE]
Everyone's getting mad!
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;42443976]People who say this don't seem to fathom the fact that blood-borne and fluid-borne diseases go undiagnosed for a long time in some instances. There was an incident a while back where someone who died of rabies was an organ donor and it was misdiagnosed as a cocaine OD. Scrubs did an episode about it.
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Fascist.[/QUOTE]
gj involving politics for no good reason other than to prove you have no idea what you're talking about, quality drsalvador post
[QUOTE=areolop;42441953]You cant force that people donate their bodies. That'd be forcing people to volunteer...
I'm not a organ donor because I have it stated in my will that my body be donated to science[/QUOTE]
Making it opt-out rather than opt-in simply makes it so the people who can't be assed to care are default in. Even then, the family gets the last say and if they don't want you harvested for organs they can simply refuse. It's really not a big deal.
On another note, my friend who works as a nurse knows of an incidence at a local hospital that saw a doctor get fired, but it was kept very quiet. Basically, the doctor suspected a comatose patient was totally braindead. The doctor ran only some of the tests and then said "good enough" and wheeled her in for surgery. She woke up after the first cut, but the doctor said it was just spasms and wanted to keep going but the team wouldn't do it. He threatened their jobs, they got the administrator, and that was the end of that guy's medical career.
There is certainly no conspiracy to take living people's organs, but our understanding of comas is pretty limited and some doctors are really old fashioned about it. There is surprisingly little oversight in these cases and doctors can straight up lie to people because they don't know any better. I imagine this is a 1 in several thousand case, but it can and does happen.
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42443483]I'd rather not donate my organs that goes to someone who doesn't deserve them such as a pedophile or a rapist thank you :)[/QUOTE]
Because everyone who is in need of a new organ is a pedophile or a rapist. Yep. Perfectly sound logic.
I'd like to hear you sing that same song if [I]you [/I]end up in a tragic accident and have to sit on a waiting list to get a new organ.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;42442108]But will everyone know theyre opted in, and know how they get out? We can't be sure, and they shouldn't have to go out of their way to get out of it.[/QUOTE]
It took me about 5 minutes to opt in online (UK) so I can't see that there'd be much difference in opting out
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;42445140]Because everyone who is in need of a new organ is a pedophile or a rapist. Yep. Perfectly sound logic.
I'd like to hear you sing that same song if [I]you [/I]end up in a tragic accident and have to sit on a waiting list to get a new organ.[/QUOTE]
Didn't say everyone. Another example of SH users twisting words.
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42445251]Didn't say everyone. Another example of SH users twisting words.[/QUOTE]
I think the problem people have with what you are saying is that many innocent, good people, still do not have access to organs that need to be transplanted. Granted, there may be a few bad apples in he system, but that is most likely the one percent out of the other 99 percent that are made up of peoples daughters, grandfathers, friends ect. Sure, there may be some minute chance that your organ is given to a murderer, but sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith and hope it will end up in the right hands.
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Not to mention I don't even think prisoners in some areas of the world are even allowed access to transplants.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;42445222]It took me about 5 minutes to opt in online (UK) so I can't see that there'd be much difference in opting out[/QUOTE]
Because they assume that you are already willing to donate. Implying that someone will say yes to something is how lawsuits are brought up. Always assume no until told yes.
Take voting for example. If there is a movement to add something to the constitution of the sate, you have to vote either yes or no. If you leave it blank, it is counted as a no.
[QUOTE=zin908;42445317]I think the problem people have with what you are saying is that many innocent, good people, still do not have access to organs that need to be transplanted. Granted, there may be a few bad apples in he system, but that is most likely the one percent out of the other 99 percent that are made up of peoples daughters, grandfathers, friends ect. Sure, there may be some minute chance that your organ is given to a murderer, but sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith and hope it will end up in the right hands.
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Not to mention I don't even think prisoners in some areas of the world are even allowed access to transplants.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for a response that I'm actually going to reply to. I never actually realised that percentage but I still feel uncomfortable at the fact that my organs could be taken out and put into other people. Unlike everyone else who wrote stupid posts in response, you actually didn't make a dick post so there's hope for SH yet.
They asked me this when I got my permit, and it seemed kind of like a big question to just bring up on the fly so I said no out of some sort of lapse of reasoning.
The UK does this, when I applied for my provisional license, I became an organ donor.
That makes it sound like I swapped my kidney for a driver's license.
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42445708]Thanks for a response that I'm actually going to reply to. I never actually realised that percentage but I still feel uncomfortable at the fact that my organs could be taken out and put into other people. Unlike everyone else who wrote stupid posts in response, you actually didn't make a dick post so there's hope for SH yet.[/QUOTE]
lmao. "hope for SH yet". Not when there's total cocklords the likes of you here I'm afraid. Being hateful of entire groups of people to wish death on them is just absurd. You can fix murders, rapists, etc. for the most part.
Also what's so strange about your organs (which you have zero use for) being used to repair someone else who is in need of it? You're dead, it's not going to matter. And they don't just tear the shit out of your body, it's a surgical procedure. You'd still be fairly presentable for a funeral.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42445753]lmao. "hope for SH yet". Not when there's total cocklords the likes of you here I'm afraid. [/QUOTE]
Okay internet tough guy :)
This was on the form in California, didn't know it wasn't a nationwide thing. Also, I'm still scared to be a donor out of that monty python sketch
[video=youtube;aclS1pGHp8o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o[/video]
I'd rather have the opt-in scenario thanks.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;42445222]It took me about 5 minutes to opt in online (UK) so I can't see that there'd be much difference in opting out[/QUOTE]
But will everyone know of the changes, and how to get out of it at least one person would have given their organs without them or their family wanting to. And that would mean the system has failed.
they can have my organs as long as they take the rest of my body to a taxidermist. i want to become a family heirloom
As long as it's not opt-out I'm A-OK with it. Asking at time of getting a license doesn't put any extra effort on either side, and it doesn't automatically make you donate unless you specify otherwise. S'ok.
It's not like anyone would want mine anyway. I take better care of my vehicles than I do my own body.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;42442664]IMO i couldn't be completely upset, if he lets me die for my organs at least I know they are being donated to someone who needs them.
It's a good cause at least.[/QUOTE]
And if I lived somewhere where such things might happen I would have it in my will that any medical professional, including EMTs, that do something like that will be sued to oblivion and shamed so severely the closest they'll get to a medical practice is a fucking free spay clinic in Rome, Alaska.
I'm sorry, but letting someone die to harvest their organs is about as wrong as it gets. It might as well be murder, even if the law doesn't specifically call it as such. That's why it never happens in the developed world. It would be laughably easy to ensure that a medic who did do something like that never worked in medicine again. They'd lose their license and be sued into oblivion, not to mention face some form of criminal charges.
That shit simply doesn't happen.
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