4 Days Ago, NYS Passed An Important Law (Donate Your Organs Bro)
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I don't understand why it's not fine exactly how it is. You have the option to do it and if you want to do it then you can check that you do and if you don't want to then [I]don't[/I] check that you do???? What needs to be changed?
[QUOTE=Doomish;42446617]I don't understand why it's not fine exactly how it is. You have the option to do it and if you want to do it then you can check that you do and if you don't want to then [I]don't[/I] check that you do???? What needs to be changed?[/QUOTE]
The chronic lack of organs that is leading to way too many preventable deaths worldwide.
People need to be educated more about organ donation, and why it is a good thing. If I go out and get hit by a car tomorrow, I could give new life to a few people, and sight to two people who are going blind with my corneas. Loads of people don't think about it, and people who don't really care either way are ending up dying without giving their consent, not because they don't want to, but because it never occurred to them. Sure some people won't donate, but we should encourage everyone to opt in for it regardless. Hell, I'd argue that signing up as a donor should give a small tax break - it's one of the best things you can do for society.
Wow holy shit you people are paranoid. I honestly didn't expect so many people here would believe the "they're gonna kill me for my organs" myth. It's like the "they're gonna kill grandma 'cause she's too expensive" myth or the "airlines secretly make plane crashes more lethal so they don't have to pay medical costs" myth.
It's fine guys, if my surgeon kills me for my organs, I'll let you know.
What makes you think that a doctor would end your life to save someone else they know just as little about?
And to those people saying that they feel "uncomfortable" or "weird" about an opt-out system for donating organs after death; I would much rather have a child grow up normally, a mother continue to look after her kids, a person continue to live, than to make sure you don't feel weird about your corpse being used to [I]save lives[/I].
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;42445892]But will everyone know of the changes, and how to get out of it at least one person would have given their organs without them or their family wanting to. And that would mean the system has failed.[/QUOTE]
Retards not reading the form they're filling out isn't a failure of the system, it's a failure on their part for not reading the god damn form.
Seriously if you apply for something and start filling the form out without reading it, you're an idiot and will probably get denied anyway.
Two words for paranoid people: Hippocratic Oath
Opened thread, expecting people discussing the classic thing of 'what if doctors let you die to HARVEST you'
was not disappointed
anyone got a single article or shred of evidence that this has happened?
I'm honestly interested
[QUOTE=axelord157;42447560]Two words for paranoid people: Hippocratic Oath[/QUOTE]
The type of person who would allow for someone to die like this wouldn't be affected whether or not they took an oath not to
It's mandatory here in Michigan, thought it was everywhere else. Oh well, not a big law or anything. The people who don't want to just have to select "No" instead of leaving it blank.
I can't donate I guess because I'm a drunk or something.
I want my organs donated to murderers just to piss off captainobvious
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42441908]Wait, other states [I]don't[/I] do this? We have this in Georgia, I thought it was just kinda... a thing that everyone did.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I live in ohio and everytime you do anything with your liscense you get asked if you are an organ donor or not
I honestly thought it was just something the entire US did I can't believe some states never have done this lmao
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42448454]I want my organs donated to murderers just to piss off captainobvious[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I'm all for organ donations, but what if mine goes to a captainobvious?
It's too big a risk.
When I die I'm going to poison myself like that death row inmate on Monk so I can still be the guy at the party going "hey guys did you know I'm an organ donor?" but not risk my organs being used to actually make someone's life better
I'm an organ donor. I bet if they offered $50 for signing up a lot of people would. Or even just waive the fee for getting your ID/DL It's $20 here, that would be worth it.
but then that would be less money for Jesse White to steal, and we can't have that can we.
[QUOTE=KorJax;42448580]Yeah I live in ohio and everytime you do anything with your liscense you get asked if you are an organ donor or not
I honestly thought it was just something the entire US did I can't believe some states never have done this lmao[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised as well. I've marked "Organ Donor" on my SD driver license forms since I started driving way back in 2006. And that was when I was 14.
The off chance of a botched organ donor operation is spectacularly low, considering there are probably dozens you don't hear about that went perfectly fine.
all the people complaining about purposefully being put to death by doctors and paramedics just to have their organs harvested seem to be forgetting that organ transplants aren't exactly risk free operations. plus, if you're ill enough to be on the waiting list for a transplant, you're pretty damn ill.
for heart transplants, the 5 year survival rate is about 70%
for lung transplants, there's a 50% chance of rejection after the first year
the doctors' job is to do their best to save your life, they're not gonna rush to euthanise you as soon as you're out cold just to steal your lungs and kidneys
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;42449871]all the people complaining about purposefully being put to death by doctors and paramedics just to have their organs harvested seem to be forgetting that organ transplants aren't exactly risk free operations. plus, if you're ill enough to be on the waiting list for a transplant, you're pretty damn ill.
for heart transplants, the 5 year survival rate is about 70%
for lung transplants, there's a 50% chance of rejection after the first year
the doctors' job is to do their best to save your life, they're not gonna rush to euthanise you as soon as you're out cold just to steal your lungs and kidneys[/QUOTE]
but fox news
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;42442664]IMO i couldn't be completely upset, if he lets me die for my organs at least I know they are being donated to someone who needs them.
It's a good cause at least.[/QUOTE]
you couldn't be upset cause you'd be fuckin dead
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;42449871]all the people complaining about purposefully being put to death by doctors and paramedics just to have their organs harvested seem to be forgetting that organ transplants aren't exactly risk free operations. plus, if you're ill enough to be on the waiting list for a transplant, you're pretty damn ill.
for heart transplants, the 5 year survival rate is about 70%
for lung transplants, there's a 50% chance of rejection after the first year
the doctors' job is to do their best to save your life, they're not gonna rush to euthanise you as soon as you're out cold just to steal your lungs and kidneys[/QUOTE]
I thought it was common knowledge that "rejection" is just a myth that big pharma came up with so that they can get the money from a patient for the transplant, then re-harvest the organs when the host 'rejects' them, then continue the whole process over again. I remember I heard on the Alex Jones show that almost 70% of organs in existence have been transplanted 3 or more times. I mean, give me 1 good reason why putting something from one human into another should fail? It's just like replacing the parts in your car, except this car is meaty
(My other car is made of meat)
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42450078]you couldn't be upset cause you'd be fuckin dead[/QUOTE]
exactly my point
[QUOTE=Greenen72;42450172]I thought it was common knowledge that "rejection" is just a myth that big pharma came up with so that they can get the money from a patient for the transplant, then re-harvest the organs when the host 'rejects' them, then continue the whole process over again. I remember I heard on the Alex Jones show that almost 70% of organs in existence have been transplanted 3 or more times. I mean, give me 1 good reason why putting something from one human into another should fail? It's just like replacing the parts in your car, except this car is meaty
(My other car is made of meat)[/QUOTE]
Uh, no.
You can't just put some random person's heart, liver, lungs, etc. in another person and expect it to work. The receivers body will immediately start rejecting and destroying the organ on a cellular level, leading to the receivers death, unless the receiver is taking anti-rejection drugs. Even with anti-rejection drugs, the receivers body can have such a violent reaction that the transplant has to be removed or the receiver dies.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;42442407]Got any scientific/medical journal studies to back this up, or is this pure speculation and anecdotes, combined with an unhealthy dose of paranoia?
Your choice to donate does not affect the treatment you receive at all, and I find it hard to believe that there is a huge, incredibly well-kept secret nationwide conspiracy to deprive donors of treatment in the hopes of getting more organs.
Looking up "ICU nurses’ perceptions of responsibilities and organisation in relation to organ donation—A phenomenographic study" in Intensive & Critical Care Nursing 2011, vol 27, issue 6, p 305 onwards it indicates that brain death is confirmed by clinical examination, before donation takes place.[/QUOTE]God. Why is facepunch this stupid, no one said it was a conspiracy, you don't make your points any more valid by accusing people of being tin-foil-hat wearing crazies, it just makes you look too stupid to come up with valid arguments. Doctors are people, fyi, they make decisions differently. Some might not invest as much care if they know the person they are working on are an organ donor, even if it's just subconsciously. People are often declared dead and then later on they find out they are still alive, it happens. And other peoples reasons for not wanting an organ donor card don't really concern you that much anyways, you are just ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;42442544]Because the body would have to be taken to a hospital for the donation, where oddities would likely be noticed. In addition to that, the paramedics and EMTs are going to be hooked up to responders and reporting info back.
The paramedics first priority is to stabilise and get to hospital, I highly doubt that they check if he's a donor until they've got the more pressing issues out of the way.
Bear in mind that this would be a total breach of medical ethics, and you'd need every member of the ambulance crew, in addition to whoever else is trained in emergency medicine on site to be in on the event to pull off not treating properly, and that a single call of malpractise would bring a mountain of inspection on the case. I could understand maybe it happening one or two times per thousand, but I find it hard to believe that it is anywhere near systematic enough to be a concern large enough for someone to refuse to put their name on the registry, especially considering the fact that many donors do not bother putting their names on the lists, and are thus never actually used as donors.[/QUOTE]
As an EMT, we'd know pretty fast if he was a donor or not cause we have to know who the patient is. Yet we'd break ethics and get in serious trouble for neglect if we hold back any possible care. Anytime a patient gets hurt more or seems like the patient could've been saved, an investigation is made against all parties involved. This is why we write up such drawn out reports. Anything that isn't in the report didn't happen. There are for parts that need to be looked at when being charged for neglect, breaking ethics basically breaks all other parts.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;42452023]Uh, no.
You can't just put some random person's heart, liver, lungs, etc. in another person and expect it to work. The receivers body will immediately start rejecting and destroying the organ on a cellular level, leading to the receivers death, unless the receiver is taking anti-rejection drugs. Even with anti-rejection drugs, the receivers body can have such a violent reaction that the transplant has to be removed or the receiver dies.[/QUOTE]
he said big pharma, alex jones, and meat car in the same post.
he's not serious.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42452903]I'm gonna go ahead and not be an organ donor on the risk that you might need my organs to live.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't aware I had killed anyone. Clearly didn't understand what I'm saying :)
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42443494]I'd rather not take the chance thanks.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should also stop breathing because you might breath in a serial killers fart.
Better not take the chance pal!!!
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42454189]Wasn't aware I had killed anyone. Clearly didn't understand what I'm saying :)[/QUOTE]
You're being rather dumb, to be honest. Organ donations are performed for those who are in immediate and dire need of them. It does not matter if it's a murderer or pedophile - that's fucking stupid. You can't just let someone die because of that. You don't get to decide who is and who isn't human, and in doing so you're just as bad as them.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;42450258]exactly my point[/QUOTE]
that doesn't make it rational that it's okay to "let you die"
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42454189]Wasn't aware I had killed anyone. Clearly didn't understand what I'm saying :)[/QUOTE]
Because he was TOTALLY saying you killed someone. At the very least, don't be a fuckin' hypocrite.
[QUOTE=CaptainObvious1;42443588]Good ole' SH users twisting people's words again.[/QUOTE]
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