• What the fuck of the week: Sex-torturer faces chemical castration for abducting, raping woman
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[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;44135524]I wouldn't advocate the death penalty in any case where we didn't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're guilty. We've already established that here.[/QUOTE] What constitutes "A shadow of a doubt"? What constitutes guilty? If we have 100% proof that a man with severe mental disabilities killed multiple people, do we execute him? Is he truly guilty on account of not having full control of his actions? These are questions that we can't be rid of in any justice system; keeping people alive and treating them well offers no drawbacks in comparison to killing them, and has the bonus of [B]not [/B]killing those people unfortunate enough to be embroiled in a miscarriage of justice. [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rankzerox;44136678]Then why not kill him? Seriously if he is never going to be seen in public again why do we keep him alive in prison? It isn't a worthy life and he is only depleting resources.[/QUOTE] Because human life is more than the resources that go in and out of the body? Now who's lacking empathy?
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;44136691] Because human life is more than the resources that go in and out of the body? Now who's lacking empathy?[/QUOTE] Keep in mind that Rankzerox is Swedish (I think) and he probably feels that way considering how well prisoners are treated in Sweden. They strive for rehabilitation there and it's incredibly costly. Maybe if he knew how bad the conditions can be in U.S. prison (unless he already does and I'm stupid) he'd have a differing opinion. But my opinion still stands that I personally believe he gave up his right to his life. Doesn't matter now; he'll rot in U.S. prison. And that woman will take solace in the fact that he will never be set free in her lifetime.
[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;44136210]Lock them up and use them for Medical testing. A bit far out there, but in all honestly, what the guy has done is simply inexcusable. At that point and to that degree, I believe he's beyond saving, and as such, shouldn't be given a second chance.[/QUOTE] And now we've strolled directly into downright barbarism.
the article reminded me of when i read american psycho oh boy
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;44136691]What constitutes "A shadow of a doubt"? What constitutes guilty? If we have 100% proof that a man with severe mental disabilities killed multiple people, do we execute him? Is he truly guilty on account of not having full control of his actions? These are questions that we can't be rid of in any justice system; keeping people alive and treating them well offers no drawbacks in comparison to killing them, and has the bonus of [B]not [/B]killing those people unfortunate enough to be embroiled in a miscarriage of justice. [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] Because human life is more than the resources that go in and out of the body? Now who's lacking empathy?[/QUOTE] He's filling up a jail cell that could otherwise be used for someone who could be rehabilitated. I dunno about jails across the pond but here in the UK they're pretty crammed, causing people who could be rehabilitated to be stuck in bad environments (e.g. over-full cells) ; slowing down their progress. [editline].[/editline] Plus the ~£30,000 a year that could be spent on rehabilitating other prisoners that it might work on.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;44137457]He's filling up a jail cell that could otherwise be used for someone who could be rehabilitated. I dunno about jails across the pond but here in the UK they're pretty crammed, causing people who could be rehabilitated to be stuck in bad environments (e.g. over-full cells) ; slowing down their progress. [editline].[/editline] Plus the ~£30,000 a year that could be spent on rehabilitating other prisoners that it might work on.[/QUOTE] Who's to say he can't be rehabilitated? How do you judge whether or not someone can be rehabilitated without putting them through the treatment? Is there some objective measure by which we can judge the severity of crimes? (No).
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;44137488]Who's to say he can't be rehabilitated? How do you judge whether or not someone can be rehabilitated without putting them through the treatment? Is there some objective measure by which we can judge the severity of crimes? (No).[/QUOTE] Unless he lives to the age of 240 I don't see him being a productive member of society.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;44137492]Unless he lives to the age of 240 I don't see him being a productive member of society.[/QUOTE] The thing is, though, you're not a criminal psychologist.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;44137506]The thing is, though, you're not a criminal psychologist.[/QUOTE] He isn't getting out of jail for 2 life sentences, you don't need to be a criminal psychologist to do basic maths.
You know now that I think about it, if they use him as test subject he might actually be useful
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;44133027]I'm a fucking human that's what i am. I'm a human seeing that what another human is doing is not something a human does. what did we do to the nazis who did this shit in WW2 to prisoners? we fucking killed them. why should he get a break? because he didn't do it to as many people? no. he's broken. he cannot be remedied. he. is not. a human. anymore. fuck you for defending this worthless sack of shit. he fucking TORTURES PEOPLE. FOR FUN.[/QUOTE] Actually, technically he's a human being too. And that's why you're so afraid. That's why you're so disturbed and reacting so strongly. Because you're terrified, that on some deep subconscious level, you're capable of the same.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;44137457]He's filling up a jail cell that could otherwise be used for someone who could be rehabilitated. I dunno about jails across the pond but here in the UK they're pretty crammed, causing people who could be rehabilitated to be stuck in bad environments (e.g. over-full cells) ; slowing down their progress. [editline].[/editline] Plus the ~£30,000 a year that could be spent on rehabilitating other prisoners that it might work on.[/QUOTE] keep in mind that the same government that produces these overpopulated and ineffectual prisons isn't going to suddenly become competent enough to carry this out without eventually fucking up. i mean, you've just said that the justice system is too incompetent to have decent prisons that actually work, so what makes you think it can carry out capital punishment without making similar mistakes as it has done here - mistakes that would be magnified greatly by the dangerous nature of the penalty? it's apparently clear to both of us that our justice system is deeply flawed and largely incapable of properly doling out appropriate and effective action, so why would you trust them with this? what we clearly need right now is revision and optimization of the system, not firing squads and lethal drug cocktails. [editline]5th March[/editline] i wouldn't trust our current justice system with two goldfish, much less the death penalty
[QUOTE=archangel125;44137606]Actually, technically he's a human being too. And that's why you're so afraid. That's why you're so disturbed and reacting so strongly. Because you're terrified, that on some deep subconscious level, you're capable of the same.[/QUOTE] While that can have some truth to it; I feel that's like 10% of the reason. This is a really fucked up case so you shouldn't be surprised how some people react and try to find deep subconscious reasoning for such
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;44137214]And now we've strolled directly into downright barbarism.[/QUOTE] Maybe to some. I see it as, considering what he has done. He should be made to be useful to society in some sense again whilst being punished for the horrible things he has done. Providing a way to help us advance medical breakthroughs to me, seems beneficial. I mean you can take this guy, lock him up, and let him soak away at honest, hard working peoples tax money. OR, you could make use of him and use him for Medical testing. He helps pay his way back for what he's done. (Not that it makes it right, but it's a start.) And this is where everyone will probably disagree with me, but if he dies as a result from such things, well, we have one less person like that in the world, he providied insight into various medical things, and honest hard working people aren't being cheated via taxes to support this low life scum that is merely just wasting oxygen.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;44137627]While that can have some truth to it; I feel that's like 10% of the reason. This is a really fucked up case so you shouldn't be surprised how some people react and try to find deep subconscious reasoning for such[/QUOTE] There comes a point where you've seen enough fucked up shit, in the real world and on the internet, to realize that these things are intrinsic to human nature. Most of us bury this darker side so deep it never surfaces, and we may catch no more than a glimpse of them when we're at our worst. Some, due to some weakness, defect, or deficiency, or mental illness, end up giving in. Like the guy mentioned in the news article. We as a species need to stop pretending that the deviants in our society, the murderers, thieves, rapists and scoundrels, are reacting to influences external to the human race. Maybe then we'll succeed in making progress towards lowering the frequency of such incidents.
[QUOTE=archangel125;44138335]There comes a point where you've seen enough fucked up shit, in the real world and on the internet, to realize that these things are intrinsic to human nature. Most of us bury this darker side so deep it never surfaces, and we may catch no more than a glimpse of them when we're at our worst. Some, due to some weakness, defect, or deficiency, or mental illness, end up giving in. Like the guy mentioned in the news article. We as a species need to stop pretending that the deviants in our society, the murderers, thieves, rapists and scoundrels, are reacting to influences external to the human race. Maybe then we'll succeed in making progress towards lowering the frequency of such incidents.[/QUOTE] You certainly have a way with words; a very interesting thought. [quote]We as a species need to stop pretending that the deviants in our society, the murderers, thieves, rapists and scoundrels, are reacting to influences external to the human race. Maybe then we'll succeed in making progress towards lowering the frequency of such incidents.[/quote] What external influences are you referring to?
nothing that a little rehabilitation can't fix! [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] right guys? ..right?
[QUOTE=ConArtist;44138560]nothing that a little rehabilitation can't fix! [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] right guys? ..right?[/QUOTE] I mean I guess we can try rehabilitating his corpse in 240 years if you're that eager
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;44128068]Didn't the civilized world mostly stop with an eye for an eye after you know, the fucking middle ages or something?[/QUOTE] Yes, but this is [I]Florida.[/I]
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;44139774]Yes, but this is [I]Florida.[/I][/QUOTE] Doesn't matter anyways because the chem castration isn't happening. Florida has it's good and bad parts. It's one hell of a melting pot, I can tell you that.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;44135616]The victim is going to be traumatized regardless, but I'd greatly prefer the state spend money rehabilitating her than taking care of the guy who did it.[/QUOTE] what I'm about to say gets brought up every death penalty thread but if you actually care that much about the monetary aspect of killing someone it's so much more expensive to give him the death penalty than to keep him imprisoned for life.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;44139885]what I'm about to say gets brought up every death penalty thread but if you actually care that much about the monetary aspect of killing someone it's so much more expensive to give him the death penalty than to keep him imprisoned for life.[/QUOTE] Are you talking about death by drug or death by firing squad? Because I'm almost certain death by firing squad is really cheap for the state. The death by drugs death penalty is incredibly expensive; if you mean that
[QUOTE=The golden;44139845]I'd like to request that you read the OP again and read in-detail what this man did to that woman and then ask yourself again if he can be rehabilitated.[/QUOTE] That's not an answer to the question. Unless you are a psychologist of some form I don't think you're in any position to say whether he can or cannot be rehabilitated. However taking the "decent human beings" option means we should assume we can try at the very least. Again, what does killing him actually solve? It's expensive, it's not exactly humane (we're meant to be the better people. remember?), and it doesn't work ass "justice" as death isn't justice. It's vengeance.
[QUOTE=The golden;44139845]I'd like to request that you read the OP again and read in-detail what this man did to that woman and then ask yourself again if he can be rehabilitated.[/QUOTE] I've seen some of the most fucked up, diabolical, horrible psychopaths I've ever had the displeasure of encountering in my life go into prison, and come out as regular, every day people. Even if they say they have urges, they know what's right and what's wrong. Maybe this man can be helped. I have hope for him. And if he doesn't, oh well. Not everybody's like that.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;44139906]Are you talking about death by drug or death by firing squad? Because I'm almost certain death by firing squad is really cheap for the state. The death by drugs death penalty is incredibly expensive; if you mean that[/QUOTE] the extended degree of due process is the main problem afaik, and obviously you can't cut costs there without accidentally imprisoning and executing innocent people. which is why it's much safer for all involved to explore other options than capital punishment
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;44139906]Are you talking about death by drug or death by firing squad? Because I'm almost certain death by firing squad is really cheap for the state. The death by drugs death penalty is incredibly expensive; if you mean that[/QUOTE] No, the method of execution doesn't really have any affect on the cost to legally kill someone. It'll be more expensive any way you do it. [editline]5th March 2014[/editline] Locking him up for life is essentially the same thing as murdering him when it comes to separating him from society so why pay more to do the more fucked up thing?
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;44127915]they want the castration on top of the life-sentence[/QUOTE] How is castrating him for the hell of it going to make matters better?
[QUOTE=demoguy08;44141215]How is castrating him for the hell of it going to make matters better?[/QUOTE] I think the only real reason for it is because it's the closest thing they can do to cutting off his penis and/or testicles. The prosecution is essentially admitting they want to go medieval on his ass. Of course, prosecutors only do this because it plays well politically with a large percentage of the general public. This guy was a sex offender, sadist, kidnapper, whoremonger, and probably murderer all rolled in one. Not many in Florida would complain if someone did cut off his nuts.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;44141293]I think the only real reason for it is because it's the closest thing they can do to cutting off his penis and/or testicles. The prosecution is essentially admitting they want to go medieval on his ass. Of course, prosecutors only do this because it plays well politically with a large percentage of the general public. This guy was a sex offender, sadist, kidnapper, whoremonger, and probably murderer all rolled in one. Not many in Florida would complain if someone did cut off his nuts.[/QUOTE] chemical castration is not what you think it is, they don't remove anything. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44141971]There's literally no point to chemical castration. it does not stop you having fucked up feelings and taking them out on people, it just breaks your dick and libido. You can still hold an object to hurt someone else with. it's just barbarism.[/QUOTE] It makes me feel sick it's so fucked up
There's literally no point to chemical castration. it does not stop you having fucked up feelings and taking them out on people, it just breaks your dick and libido. You can still hold an object to hurt someone else with. it's just barbarism.
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