Steve Jobs biography out - "Threatened to go "thermonuclear" against Google"
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[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32891618]And I'm not knocking windows; I guess you could get used to it if you used it long enough, but compared to an iPad (I don't even like the iPad, the only thing I can respect it for is making people realize that tablets are actually pretty cool, and also the immense amount of apps for it) it's awfully inelegtant and no-one's going to buy it because windows has almost no tactile feedback for touch and has one of the worst UIs for touch imaginable.[/QUOTE]
Tactile feedback, doesn't the iPad have no haptic feedback either.
and I really don't think it's that bad, some tablet come with a D pad or scrollwheel which can be used.
[QUOTE]Jobs was never a typical CEO. Apple's first president, Mike Scott, was hired mainly to manage Jobs, then 22. One of his first projects: [I]getting Jobs to bathe more often. It didn't really work.[/I][/QUOTE]
what
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32891561]Like I said before, X86 = bad on battery and expensive. And since when have you seen a windows tablet advert, never. Apple obnoxiously advertise their crap, that's the only reason why it's well known.[/QUOTE]
No one advertised windows tablets because they were specialised, unpolished devices and the traditional consumer would balk at using one. Let's not get into the realms of advertising, personally I think MS and Apple's marketing campaigns are equally fucking offensive, but that's because I'm a nerd and feel insulted by both adverts.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32889723]iOS is honestly fantastic to use. When you press an element on the screen, something happens. There aren't pauses or system hangs, you press the home button in an app and you're instantly put back on the homescreen, no bullshit. It's honestly the perfect OS for people who don't know much about computers, because everything works how you'd expect it to. Every button does the same thing no matter what app you're in, all the settings are self explanatory, it's simply designed in a way that makes sense. Only problem is you have to use iTunes with it, possily the worst piece of software ever made.[/QUOTE]
That's funny because my iPod pauses, freezes, hangs, and locks up a heck of a lot.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32891618]And I'm not knocking windows; I guess you could get used to it if you used it long enough, but compared to an iPad (I don't even like the iPad, the only thing I can respect it for is making people realize that tablets are actually pretty cool, and also the immense amount of apps for it) it's awfully inelegtant and no-one's going to buy it because windows has almost no tactile feedback for touch and has one of the worst UIs for touch imaginable.[/QUOTE]With pen input, its not that bad. Its not much harder than using a mouse. However, when it comes to finger touch, Windows is absolutely horrid to use relatively speaking. Web browsing works pretty well since its not much different then any other touch tablet....and that's about it.
So apple is now a nuclear power?
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32891675]No one advertised windows tablets because they were specialised, unpolished devices and the traditional consumer would balk at using one.[/QUOTE]
I know that, because that's not who they were aimed for. The average consumer wants to lay in bed and dick around online with their tablet. Windows tablets were purely for productivity and they excel at it.
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32891658]Tactile feedback, doesn't the iPad have no haptic feedback either.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't think of another word to describe it but basically it's feeling like you're moving a real object, for example lists in android/iOS you drag up and they follow your finger so you feel like you're moving a list of items up so you can see others. Didn't mean haptic feedback, I don't really think that's essential,
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;32889921]Hey Steve, remember Xerox? Remember the quote "Good artists copy, great artists steal," you borrowed from Picasso?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU[/media]
Your own words defeat you Steve.[/QUOTE]
The quote was actually "Art Borrows, Genius Steals."
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;32891685]That's funny because my iPod pauses, freezes, hangs, and locks up a heck of a lot.[/QUOTE]
That's because apple is terrible at maintaining their legacy products; old iDevices using new updates get fucked over big time.
I see (but not agree with) their approach to not allowing software that runs in the background or changes the functionality of the phone. It's all in the name of creating a consistent, fluid user experience, though I do feel insulted that they dictate what we can and cannot install on a device that we own.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32891733]That's because apple is terrible at maintaining their legacy products; old iDevices using new updates get fucked over big time.[/QUOTE]
Are you a Troll.. Or a Man... Monk?
No.. You're neither.. You're an Errand Boy... Sent by Grocery Clerks... To collect a bill.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32891714]I couldn't think of another word to describe it but basically it's feeling like you're moving a real object, for example lists in android/iOS you drag up and they follow your finger so you feel like you're moving a list of items up so you can see others. Didn't mean haptic feedback, I don't really think that's essential,[/QUOTE]
Oh you mean visual feedback, how UI elements have spring to them on Android, iOS and WP7?
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Thankfuly that's coming in Windows 8!
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;32891767]Are you a Troll.. Or a Man... Monk?
No.. You're neither.. You're an Errand Boy... Sent by Grocery Clerks... To collect a bill.[/QUOTE]
so many ellipses
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32891794]so many ellipses[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjQG-Tw9FY[/media]
respek yo history son
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32891775]Oh you mean visual feedback, how UI elements have spring to them on Android, iOS and WP7?
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Thankfuly that's coming in Windows 8![/QUOTE]
I know, which is why if intel manage to mitigate the power issues of x86 and MS get their act together and make the UI less fragmented than it is in the developer preview then it'll be a fucking amazing purchase, considering it will have the world's largest amount of applications and application developers, some of which will start making touch optimised apps.
THe tablets will probably be fucking expensive though which is a shame.
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[QUOTE=Drsalvador;32891803][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjQG-Tw9FY[/media]
respek yo history son[/QUOTE]
I've been meaning to watch that for ages but never found the time to fit in all 3 hours of it.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32891841]
I've been meaning to watch that for ages but never found the time to fit in all 3 hours of it.[/QUOTE]
do it. best 3 hours of my life so far
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32891477]I used one of those once, it was fucking annoying[/QUOTE]
"Convenient argument invalidating yet subjective opinion every apologist seems to have"
Jobs is a dick. We've all known that. Too bad the general masses aka idiots will never know it.
[QUOTE=MightyMax;32891966]Jobs is a dick. We've all known that. Too bad the general masses aka idiots will never know it.[/QUOTE]
The amount of hipsters sitting crying out of their local Apple store was kind of depressing...
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I didn't know skinny jeans cut off bloodflow to the brain too!
Meanwhile we lose Richie, the man who made it possible to let Steve Jobs and Bill Gates be the epic douche nozzles they were.
"I can steal ideas and use them and it's okay, but if anyone else does it they should be punished!"
This makes me feel so much better about using Android products. Fuck you, Jobs, you do not own the idea of small glass rectangles with touchscreens that do things. Apple's anticompetitive patent wars suddenly make a lot more sense knowing that Jobs had such a massive bug up his ass about making sure NOBODY else was allowed to make smartphones.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;32893772]This makes me feel so much better about using Android products. Fuck you, Jobs, you do not own the idea of small glass rectangles with touchscreens that do things. Apple's anticompetitive patent wars suddenly make a lot more sense knowing that Jobs had such a massive bug up his ass about making sure NOBODY else was allowed to make smartphones.[/QUOTE]
He is most definately going to have bugs up his ass soon enough.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32889230]he popularised the personal computer, the MP3 player, the smartphone and the tablet[/quote]
No he made apple computers popular. PC's, or personal computers, were already growing. He took that idea and then randomly decided to make every component proprietary. Yeah, huge advance.
[quote]He might not have had the original ideas for these things, you might disagree with his walled garden approach to app distribution or the fact that all Apple's products are very overpriced 'luxury items', but he took ideas that other companies had completely failed at and made them approachable to the average user, great to use, and made other companies think 'hey, maybe there's more to this 'PC/SMartphone/Tablet' thing than we thought'.[/quote]
He didn't really do any of those things. He wasn't an engineer or a designer. He wasn't even in charge of marketing, who are the real "heroes" at apple. Best I can tell all he did was demonize buttons. Which irks me to no end.
[quote]I mean, look at tablets before the iPad. And smartphones before the iPhone. Microsoft had Windows Mobile and touchscreen optimised variants of windows but they were, for want of a better word, shit. Apple made everyone realize that their user experience was complete shit and honestly we're all better off because of that.[/QUOTE]
Yes, look at tablets before the ipad. It had a keyboard. The touch screen would rotate around and face backwards so you could use it as a tablet, or you could reconfigured it to use it like a conventional laptop. Yes, removing the physical keyboard, upgradability, input ports, and flexibility is a huge step forward.
Smartphones? Yeah, they had physical keyboards too. I had a fantastic HTC tilt 2. It was unpowered as fuck and the OS sucked, but the physical design was amazing. Now I have an HTC desire and it certainly more powerful, but goddamn I miss the keyboard and physical buttons. Windows mobile was fine, it was just being used without proper updates because carriers and manufacturers kept fucking it up. The hardware it was being used on tended to be under powered too.
Jobs was a dick.
[QUOTE=Contag;32889558]what the fuck are you talking about?
describe features of things which you felt were "a pleasure to use"[/QUOTE]
why am i suddenly picturing the iDildo
[QUOTE=bluesky;32889095]Someone said it in the other thread and I'll say it here.
Apple and Steve jobs lost it when apple took the color out of their logo.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit did I just get quoted
[QUOTE=GunFox;32893902]
Jobs was a dick.[/QUOTE]
Yes he was. He wasn't the thomas edison of our time or anything but he did have one talent: Making really, uh, shiny things.
I'm running out of arguments here as you can plainly see. The guy wasn't the god that most people make him out to be but I don't think he achieved absolutely nothing like the majority of this thread seems to be saying.
OK, I guess the one thing we can agree on is that while all these ideas existed in various forms before, Jobs took them all and slapped them all together in a package that appealed to the mass market and made a shit-ton of money.
I actually confront people when they say he did stuff like asking "what did he really do" and the response I always get is "he invented the smartphone/tablet" or some bullshit like that and it makes me want to rage
I had a tad bit of respect for Jobs.
Now I just lost all of it knowing that it was [I]him[/I] dishing all of this fuss out, and not the business department of Apple suing everybody in sight.
I seriously didn't think it was him doing it...
And now I feel ridiculously stupid.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;32894327]Yes he was. He wasn't the thomas edison of our time or anything but he did have one talent: Making really, uh, shiny things. [/QUOTE]
Edison was a dick and is why Nikolai Tesla died penniless. Tesla should get far more credit than Edison, but Edison made it his life's mission to steal from and fuck over Tesla as much as was humanly possible.
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