• Steve Jobs biography out - "Threatened to go "thermonuclear" against Google"
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[quote]Steve Jobs threatened to go "thermonuclear" to prevent Google from using a mobile operating system that he claimed was a rip-off of Apple's iPhone[/quote] "They're copying us by competing!" should be Apple's new motto Maybe with Jobs dead they'll drift away from that attitude though
[QUOTE=Swilly;32889281]Here's the thing, [I]anyone else could've done that[/I] Just because they did it doesn't make them fantastic or great.[/QUOTE]I guess the difference then is that they didn't, and that's why Apple is so successful today.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;32894901]I had a tad bit of respect for Jobs. Now I just lost all of it knowing that it was [I]him[/I] dishing all of this fuss out, and not the business department of Apple suing everybody in sight. I seriously didn't think it was him doing it... And now I feel ridiculously stupid.[/QUOTE] I never had any respect for Jobs, but after reading this shit about him, I have such a lack of respect for him that I cannot put it into words
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;32894901]I had a tad bit of respect for Jobs. Now I just lost all of it knowing that it was [I]him[/I] dishing all of this fuss out, and not the business department of Apple suing everybody in sight. I seriously didn't think it was him doing it... And now I feel ridiculously stupid.[/QUOTE] Exactly, this actually has me very angry. I used to think this was just Apple's legal department doing the regular patent troll routine, but now we know this has all been happening at Jobs' order because that deluded fuck somehow thought the entire smartphone concept belonged to him and him alone. What an arrogant piece of shit, he actually believed Apple should be the only company on the face of the planet permitted to manufacture little glass rectangles with touchscreens that run programs.
To go back to the Steve Jobs/Bill Gates thing: Steve Jobs sounds like he was just a plain ol' dick, and that's it. He was a complete cunt to his employees (and everyone else) because he was an egomaniac who thought he was better than everyone else. Bill Gates sounds more like he had a 'tough love' attitude towards his employees. He'd hound them in board meetings about ideas and call them stupid and such - and he WAS a pretty big dick about it - but it wasn't out of some deluded sense of grandeur so much as it was a tough love approach to make his employees more self critical about their ideas - it's not his real life personality as has been said.
Haha. Steve Jobs was such an asshole.
The more I read, the more I dislike Steve Jobs and Apple...
[QUOTE=sltungle;32918910]To go back to the Steve Jobs/Bill Gates thing: Steve Jobs sounds like he was just a plain ol' dick, and that's it. He was a complete cunt to his employees (and everyone else) because he was an egomaniac who thought he was better than everyone else. Bill Gates sounds more like he had a 'tough love' attitude towards his employees. He'd hound them in board meetings about ideas and call them stupid and such - and he WAS a pretty big dick about it - but it wasn't out of some deluded sense of grandeur so much as it was a tough love approach to make his employees more self critical about their ideas - it's not his real life personality as has been said.[/QUOTE] I'd say they were both egotistical assholes, Gates just wasn't as litigious as time went on
[QUOTE=GunFox;32893902]No he made apple computers popular. PC's, or personal computers, were already growing. He took that idea and then randomly decided to make every component proprietary. Yeah, huge advance. He didn't really do any of those things. He wasn't an engineer or a designer. He wasn't even in charge of marketing, who are the real "heroes" at apple. Best I can tell all he did was demonize buttons. Which irks me to no end. Yes, look at tablets before the ipad. It had a keyboard. The touch screen would rotate around and face backwards so you could use it as a tablet, or you could reconfigured it to use it like a conventional laptop. Yes, removing the physical keyboard, upgradability, input ports, and flexibility is a huge step forward. Smartphones? Yeah, they had physical keyboards too. I had a fantastic HTC tilt 2. It was unpowered as fuck and the OS sucked, but the physical design was amazing. Now I have an HTC desire and it certainly more powerful, but goddamn I miss the keyboard and physical buttons. Windows mobile was fine, it was just being used without proper updates because carriers and manufacturers kept fucking it up. The hardware it was being used on tended to be under powered too. Jobs was a dick.[/QUOTE] The G2 is a fantastic phone with a keyboard. I love mine.
[QUOTE=Nikota;32954069]The [B]G2 [/B]is a fantastic phone with a keyboard. I love mine.[/QUOTE] AKA Desire Z for the rest of us.
I think one thing that a lot of people don't realize is that Jobs had actually been a mentor to Sergey Brin and Larry Page, and Jobs personally asked Google's CEO to join Apple's board of directors. Jobs wasn't just mad that Android had many of the same features as iOS, he felt personally betrayed by Google.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;32955676]I think one thing that a lot of people don't realize is that [B]Jobs had actually been a mentor to Sergey Brin and Larry Page[/B], and Jobs personally asked Google's CEO to join Apple's board of directors. Jobs wasn't just mad that Android had many of the same features as iOS, he felt personally betrayed by Google.[/QUOTE] Well monkey see, monkey do. But in this case monkey also improves.
[quote][url]http://raredelights.com/steve-jobs-abandoned-child-who-became-an-eccentric-tycoon/[/url] [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/video/breaking/chi-video-steve-jobs--fatal-error-60-minutes-20111021,0,1502379.htmlstory[/url] [url]http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/21/steve-jobs-warned-obama-was-headed-for-one-term-presidency-biography-reveals[/url] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15400984[/url] Steve Jobs vowed to 'destroy' Android [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/20/scitech/main20123421.shtml?[/url] Jobs threatened to go "thermonuclear" against Google [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU[/url] Steve Jobs: Good artists copy great artists steal[/quote] A man who claims "Good artists copy great artists steal" who stole ideas and made them his own (He stole the original Xerox, along with Bill gates), then sued anyone who had similiar products by suing them. He also abandonded his daughter to become wealthy, declined cancer treatment that /WOULD/ have saved his life, and told Obama he'd have a one term presidency if he didn't favor removing regulations for corperations that would screw the common man and make the poor much more than they already have been. He is an egotistical, arrogant, selfish tyrant. The above is proof enough.
OoOohh! What a epic suprise! /sarcasm I had to put that to prevent dumb people from not understanding. Stupid people...
[QUOTE=AntiNazi;32956197]OoOohh! What a epic suprise! /sarcasm I had to put that to prevent dumb people from not understanding. Stupid people...[/QUOTE] XD ROFL silly stupid people!
Uhhhh The OP isn't about Steve Jobs vowing to destroy Google because they [i]dared[/i] to come out with a similar product. The OP is about Steve Jobs vowing to destroy Google because one of their key employees was on the Apple board of directors, then quit and used what he'd learned at Apple to make a copycat product. That's not just imitating what works, it's using internal knowledge of the company, and more importantly violated their gentleman's agreement that Google would stay out of portable devices. Jobs wouldn't spend his whole fortune on revenge in order to get back at a professional rival- it was personal.
[QUOTE=catbarf;32958107]Uhhhh The OP isn't about Steve Jobs vowing to destroy Google because they [i]dared[/i] to come out with a similar product. The OP is about Steve Jobs vowing to destroy Google because one of their key employees was on the Apple board of directors, then quit and used what he'd learned at Apple to make a copycat product. That's not just imitating what works, it's using internal knowledge of the company, and more importantly violated their gentleman's agreement that Google would stay out of portable devices. Jobs wouldn't spend his whole fortune on revenge in order to get back at a professional rival- it was personal.[/QUOTE] And yet Android is nothing like iOS.
Schmidt merely used Jobs' philosophy of artist stealing then, but tbh, Android is nothing like iOS other than being on phones.
[QUOTE=Swilly;32889281]Here's the thing, [I]anyone else could've done that[/I] Just because they did it doesn't make them fantastic or great.[/QUOTE] What? Yes it does, isn't Isaac Newton great for his 'discoveries' even though anyone else could have made them? Alexander Graham Bell invented the telegraph but it's not like it was only possible for him to do it. Big thanks to Steve for introducing these things to the market but it would have been nice if he had fucked off when others started getting into it too.
[QUOTE=catbarf;32958107]Uhhhh The OP isn't about Steve Jobs vowing to destroy Google because they [i]dared[/i] to come out with a similar product. The OP is about Steve Jobs vowing to destroy Google because one of their key employees was on the Apple board of directors, then quit and used what he'd learned at Apple to make a copycat product. That's not just imitating what works, it's using internal knowledge of the company, and more importantly violated their gentleman's agreement that Google would stay out of portable devices. Jobs wouldn't spend his whole fortune on revenge in order to get back at a professional rival- it was personal.[/QUOTE] Didn't Steve Jobs pretty much do the same thing too? He toured the Xerox company (a company that made the first computer with a GUI) 2 years before he "made" the first Apple Computer (which also had a gui). The thing that irks me is that he borrowed ideas from others and condemns others for borrowing his. Honestly, I respect him for making technology mainstream for everyone but he had the behavior of a hypocritical three year old.
[QUOTE=cccritical;32962699]What? Yes it does, isn't Isaac Newton great for his 'discoveries' even though anyone else could have made them? Alexander Graham Bell invented the telegraph but it's not like it was only possible for him to do it. Big thanks to Steve for introducing these things to the market but it would have been nice if he had fucked off when others started getting into it too.[/QUOTE][I]but he didn't actually do any of the stuff himself[/I] Wozniak basically did fucking everything
[QUOTE]"I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want." The meeting, Isaacson wrote, resolved nothing.[/QUOTE] Hmmm, I seem to remember iOS 5 having a lot of features that were introduced in Android. He was such a hypocrite...
[QUOTE=cccritical;32962699]What? Yes it does, isn't Isaac Newton great for his 'discoveries' even though anyone else could have made them? Alexander Graham Bell invented the telegraph but it's not like it was only possible for him to do it. Big thanks to Steve for introducing these things to the market but it would have been nice if he had fucked off when others started getting into it too.[/QUOTE] ...Uhh...they came up with that stuff by doing research and hard work. Jobs is more like Edison and we know how much of a douchenozzle Edison was.
[QUOTE=Swilly;32958466]And yet Android is nothing like iOS.[/QUOTE] Is that opinion based on how it looks, or how it functions on a programmatic level? Are there no lessons in the functioning of Android that were learned from experience with iOS? There's more to it than how the device functions on a direct UI level. [QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;32962864]Didn't Steve Jobs pretty much do the same thing too? He toured the Xerox company (a company that made the first computer with a GUI) 2 years before he "made" the first Apple Computer (which also had a gui). The thing that irks me is that he borrowed ideas from others and condemns others for borrowing his. Honestly, I respect him for making technology mainstream for everyone but he had the behavior of a hypocritical three year old.[/QUOTE] Touring a company and then, two years later, making a similar product is a little different from quitting a company because you're working to produce a direct competitor to its flagship product. I'm not saying Jobs isn't a hypocrite or is justified, but some of the equivocation used to prove it is a [i]little[/i] bit unfair.
I'm reading that book right now, and Steve Jobs pretty much pushed people around when he was creating the Macintosh, engineers worked like slaves, one guy even crashed his fucking car because he fell asleep. It was like Steve had some turbo-OCD or something. He also had this "reality distortion field" thing, where he could easily make people believe his lies, and looks like he fell for them himself, so he may actually believe that Apple did all stuff by themselves and etc.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;32969233]I'm reading that book right now, and Steve Jobs pretty much pushed people around when he was creating the Macintosh, engineers worked like slaves, one guy even crashed his fucking car because he fell asleep. It was like Steve had some turbo-OCD or something. He also had this "reality distortion field" thing, where he could easily make people believe his lies, and looks like he fell for them himself, so he may actually believe that Apple did all stuff by themselves and etc.[/QUOTE] Reality distortion field? What? What was it built into, his infinite amount of black turtleneck sweaters?
Apple are going to start suing other books.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;32971587]Reality distortion field? What? What was it built into, his infinite amount of black turtleneck sweaters?[/QUOTE] Wouldn't surprise me.
Fuck you steve jobs. At first I was happy when you died, but then I realized I was being really dickish to the deceased, but now, you can go fuck yourself you stealing little asshole.
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