Conservative anti-spending movie hits theatres in October
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[QUOTE=Warhol;23910803]Actually, the economy was doing great because of Clinton, there was relative peace besides small scale wars popping up and public support for the US outside the US was at an all time high, far after 9/11.
guess what el presidenti did
he fucked it all up[/quote]
Clinton created a PROJECTED budget surplus. It didn't actually exist, it was expected to become.
[quote]I was referring to Iraq.[/QUOTE]
I always disagreed with the premise of the Iraq war, myself.
But the fact is, they were flaunting their intentions to never follow any of the UN resolutions held against them. The invasion was coming. He just beat the UN to the punch.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23910750]I don't think he was a wonderful president. I dont even think he was a decent president. He got handed a shit sandwich 8 months after he was elected.[/QUOTE]
I can respect a lot of bad decisions made in the wake of a national disaster.
However he handled both Katrina and 9/11 very, very, very, very badly.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;23910748]He did sanction torture.[/QUOTE]
You don't win a war by taking the moral high ground. At least we didn't videotape us cutting their heads off and sending the videos to their families.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23910840]You don't win a war by taking the moral high ground. At least we didn't videotape us cutting their heads off and sending the videos to their families.[/QUOTE]
Um, a group of people being terrible is no excuse to defy some essential American values.
Neither is the reason you stated before that.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23910828]Clinton created a PROJECTED budget surplus. It didn't actually exist, it was expected to become.[/quote]
That's a flat out lie, but if it was true, then bush still fucked up
[quote]I always disagreed with the premise of the Iraq war, myself.
But the fact is, they were flaunting their intentions to never follow any of the UN resolutions held against them. The invasion was coming. He just beat the UN to the punch.[/QUOTE]
The UN said not to invade, and the US did
the war was unconstitutional.
[QUOTE=Billiam;23910833]I can respect a lot of bad decisions made in the wake of a national disaster.
However he handled both Katrina and 9/11 very, very, very, very badly.[/QUOTE]
While I do agree that he handled Katrina in piss poor fashion, there wasn't much he could do on 9/11. By the time he got word of the attacks, 2 of the planes had impacted their targets, one was less than 10 minutes out, and the 4th was far from any target (though I do personally believe that United 93 was shot down to keep it from getting to DC).
[QUOTE=Ridge;23910840]You don't win a war by taking the moral high ground. At least we didn't videotape us cutting their heads off and sending the videos to their families.[/QUOTE]
torture doesn't work.
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[QUOTE=Ridge;23910861]While I do agree that he handled Katrina in piss poor fashion, there wasn't much he could do on 9/11. By the time he got word of the attacks, 2 of the planes had impacted their targets, one was less than 10 minutes out, and the 4th was far from any target (though I do personally believe that United 93 was shot down to keep it from getting to DC).[/QUOTE]
he sat for like 10 minutes and didn't do shit.
nobody read my post where i actually laid out the fact that if you consider what the tea party says, ronald reagan was their worst enemy
[QUOTE=Warhol;23910856]The UN said not to invade, and the US did.[/QUOTE]
The UN is a bunch of pussies. Nothing more than politicians that have no expectation of accomplishing anything. The only thing the UN is good at is getting their paramilitary kidnapped by malnourished barbarians.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23910828]Clinton created a PROJECTED budget surplus. It didn't actually exist, it was expected to become.[/QUOTE]
Not according to the CBO :colbert:
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[QUOTE=Ridge;23910893]The UN is a bunch of pussies. Nothing more than politicians that have no expectation of accomplishing anything. The only thing the UN is good at is getting their paramilitary kidnapped by malnourished barbarians.[/QUOTE]
Then what was the purpose of referencing the UN in your last post? :colbert:
[QUOTE=Billiam;23910897]Then what was the purpose of referencing the UN in your last post? :colbert:[/QUOTE]
The UN has no real power today and is pretty much useless.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23910861]While I do agree that he handled Katrina in piss poor fashion, there wasn't much he could do on 9/11. By the time he got word of the attacks, 2 of the planes had impacted their targets, one was less than 10 minutes out, and the 4th was far from any target (though I do personally believe that United 93 was shot down to keep it from getting to DC).[/QUOTE]
Launching two wars which his administration handled very poorly was also pretty bad.
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[QUOTE=Ragy;23910921]The UN has no real power today and is pretty much useless.[/QUOTE]
Did you read his last post, it said Bush beat the UN to the punch, then Warhol said the UN did approve of war, then Ridge dodged it completely.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23910867]he sat for like 10 minutes and didn't do shit.[/QUOTE]
He did everything he could, please tell me how he should have responded.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23910220]He's called me a racist many times because I dare question the motives of our glorious leader.
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According to IMDB:
So it was about his life, not his last months in office.[/QUOTE]
Have you even watched the fucking movie in question? No, you fucking haven't. It really is about the end of his presidency, but it does a biopic on his life to frame the end of the presidency. Jesus fucking christ ridge, you'd think you could do better than this.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23910921]The UN has no real power today and is pretty much useless.[/QUOTE]
you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
the UN feeds 90 million people a year through its world food programme
just admit the fact that you don't know anything and stay in school
[QUOTE=Billiam;23910929]Did you read his last post, it said Bush beat the UN to the punch, then Warhol said the UN did approve of war, then Ridge dodged it completely.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't referring to his posts, I simple said the UN is useless.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;23910939]you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
the UN feeds 90 million people a year through its world food programme
just admit the fact that you don't know anything and stay in school[/QUOTE]
The UN wasn't created to feed people. Stay in school.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23910942]The UN wasn't created to feed people. Stay in school.[/QUOTE]
No, but it certainly isn't useless.
Admit you were wrong.:argh:
[QUOTE=Ragy;23910942]
The UN wasn't created to feed people. Stay in school.[/QUOTE]
i don't give a fuck
the un does do something, stop talking about bullshit and explain to me how the fuck the tea party can worship ronald reagan when he raised taxes and started the huge deficit of today
Everyone, for your own fucking good, put Ragy on ignore. I have, and it makes these topics bareable. He is a fucking troll, and nothing less. To deny this is idiocy, everything he says is a far right view point that is so wrong you can disprove it with 5 minutes of googling. Ignore him, and we may be able to get somewhere.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;23910990]No, but it certainly isn't useless.
Admit you were wrong.:argh:[/QUOTE]
That's just not his style, troll style that is.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;23910990]No, but it certainly isn't useless.
Admit you were wrong.:argh:[/QUOTE]
The UN is a useless failure. Just look it up, it's blatant.
[quote=ragy;23910942]the un wasn't created to feed people. Stay in school.[/quote]
[quote=article 1, chapter 1 of the un charter]
[B]The purposes of the united nations are:[/B]
[LIST=1]
[*]To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: To take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
[*]To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
[*][B]To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and[/B]
[*]to be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.
[/LIST]
[/quote]
You lose.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23910893]The UN is a bunch of pussies. Nothing more than politicians that have no expectation of accomplishing anything. The only thing the UN is good at is getting their paramilitary kidnapped by malnourished barbarians.[/QUOTE]
Roméo Dallaire would like to have a word with you.
[QUOTE=thisispain;23911001]i don't give a fuck
the un does do something, stop talking about bullshit and explain to me how the fuck the tea party can worship ronald reagan when he raised taxes and started the huge deficit of today[/QUOTE]
Actually he's wrong, so you don't have to not give a fuck.
[QUOTE=thisispain;23911001]i don't give a fuck
the un does do something, stop talking about bullshit and explain to me how the fuck the tea party can worship ronald reagan when he raised taxes and started the huge deficit of today[/QUOTE]
So you respond with "the un does something". You just lost.
UN does something. UN doesn't do a lot, but they do something. Of course, conservatives in the States would love to just do away with it so that war anywhere in the world wouldn't be a worry of theirs.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23911010]The UN is a useless failure. Just look it up, it's blatant.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring what I said and making a baseless assertion?
:krad2:
[QUOTE=RBM11;23911017]You lose.[/QUOTE]
You're pointing out what the UN failed at.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23911033]So you respond with "the un does something". You just lost.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thisispain;23910939]you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
the UN feeds 90 million people a year through its world food programme
just admit the fact that you don't know anything and stay in school[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23911002]Everyone, for your own fucking good, put Ragy on ignore. I have, and it makes these topics bareable. He is a fucking troll, and nothing less. To deny this is idiocy, everything he says is a far right view point that is so wrong you can disprove it with 5 minutes of googling. Ignore him, and we may be able to get somewhere.[/QUOTE]
Typical to ignore an argument by calling the counter a troll.
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