[QUOTE=.50 Cal;29053276]Why would you use the moon as a staging ground for a mars mission? It's not even 0.1% closer to it than Earth is.[/QUOTE]
Lower gravity means it's a lot easier to launch something.
By using the moon you can slowly send all the parts up there, assemble on the moon, and launch from there. It's a lot easier and cheaper than constructing a rocket 5 times the size on earth.
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;29082190]I thought of Destroy All Humans! 2.[/QUOTE]
Martians stealing our vodka :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;29082190]I thought of Destroy All Humans! 2.[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised nobody mentioned this before.
We understand how space works, so now all we(U.S) do is send robotics.
Russian is pushing the envelope for mans existence outside earth. Even if it is just a base on a moon.
Putin is cool guy and always does what he says.
Sounds interesting! I hope I will live to see such things happen.
[QUOTE=Mr.Thorn;29103057]Putin is cool guy and always does what he says.[/QUOTE]
HA!
Putin promises many and does nothing for Russians,only lets his friends steal our money.
Also he got a programme. He wants to deal with unemployment on Caucausus. And do you know how?
He plans to settle that Caucausians Muslims in Central Russia. FUCK I DON'T WANT TO SHARE MY LAND WITH THESE WILD ANIMALS!
[QUOTE=pingvin99;29104999]Putin promises many and does nothing for Russians,only lets his friends steal our money.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to glorious capitalist democracy, my friend.
[QUOTE=pingvin99;29104999]HA! FUCK I DON'T WANT TO SHARE MY LAND WITH THESE WILD ANIMALS![/QUOTE]
There's a russian redneck if I ever saw one.
You just don't know Chechens, Ingushs and others.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;29093164]Lower gravity means it's a lot easier to launch something.
By using the moon you can slowly send all the parts up there, assemble on the moon, and launch from there. It's a lot easier and cheaper than constructing a rocket 5 times the size on earth.[/QUOTE]
If you have to send all the parts there and bring them all to a soft landing on the Moon, it's much much more expensive than just building something in Earth orbit. The Saturn V could send 119 mT to Earth orbit, but only 45 mT to a lunar trajectory because most of that 119 mT is taken up by fuel and the departure stage. Attempt to deliver something to a soft Moon landing and that goes down even more. The ascent stage of the LEM, which you could consider to be the "payload" delivered to the Moon's surface by the descent stage, only weighed 4.5 mT. That's an entire Saturn V launch just to deliver 4 or 5 tons to the Moon's surface. Build it in LEO, and one Saturn V launch can deliver 119 tons worth of spacecraft. Explain to me again how it could possibly take fewer launches and less money to build a Mars craft on the surface of the Moon.
Yeah, building the components on earth, sending it to the moon, then assembling it there and launching kind of defeats the point.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29050738]It's not like we can write our name all over space or whatever the fuck, anyone can claim it as their own, and that's up to no good :colbert:[/QUOTE]
The Outer Space Treaty represents the basic legal framework of international space law. Among its principles, it bars States Parties to the Treaty from placing nuclear weapons or any other weapons of mass destruction in orbit of Earth, installing them on the Moon or any other celestial body, or to otherwise station them in outer space. It exclusively limits the use of the Moon and other celestial bodies to peaceful purposes and expressly prohibits their use for testing weapons of any kind, conducting military maneuvers, or [b]establishing military bases, installations, and fortifications[/b] (Art.IV). However, the Treaty does not prohibit the placement of conventional weapons in orbit. The treaty also states that the exploration of outer space shall be done to benefit all countries and shall be free for exploration and use by all States.
The treaty [b]explicitly forbids any government from claiming a celestial resource such as the Moon or a planet, since they are the Common heritage of mankind[/b]. Art. II of the Treaty states that "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means". However, the State that launches a space object retains jurisdiction and control over that object. The state is also liable for damages caused by their space object and must avoid contaminating space and celestial bodies.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty[/url]
They're not setting a base on the moon, guys.
[QUOTE=Norah;29106054]The Outer Space Treaty represents the basic legal framework of international space law. Among its principles, it bars States Parties to the Treaty from placing nuclear weapons or any other weapons of mass destruction in orbit of Earth, installing them on the Moon or any other celestial body, or to otherwise station them in outer space. It exclusively limits the use of the Moon and other celestial bodies to peaceful purposes and expressly prohibits their use for testing weapons of any kind, conducting military maneuvers, or [b]establishing military bases, installations, and fortifications[/b] (Art.IV). However, the Treaty does not prohibit the placement of conventional weapons in orbit. The treaty also states that the exploration of outer space shall be done to benefit all countries and shall be free for exploration and use by all States.
The treaty [b]explicitly forbids any government from claiming a celestial resource such as the Moon or a planet, since they are the Common heritage of mankind[/b]. Art. II of the Treaty states that "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means". However, the State that launches a space object retains jurisdiction and control over that object. The state is also liable for damages caused by their space object and must avoid contaminating space and celestial bodies.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty[/url]
They're not setting a base on the moon, guys.[/QUOTE]
Yes trust wikipedia instead of the russian government, good job man.
[QUOTE=Third_Freako;29051202]The Russians deserve their spot on the moon. The Russians were the first to space but they lost to America landing on the moon, this might very well be their chance to land there.[/QUOTE]
And be the first people to stay on the moon. Seriously, if they can make a self-sustaining moonbase, there will be a glint of hope for humanity...
aeiou
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;29108497]Yes trust wikipedia instead of the russian government, good job man.[/QUOTE]
Public media is frequently more reliable.
[QUOTE=Norah;29106054]The Outer Space Treaty represents the basic legal framework of international space law. Among its principles, it bars States Parties to the Treaty from placing nuclear weapons or any other weapons of mass destruction in orbit of Earth, installing them on the Moon or any other celestial body, or to otherwise station them in outer space. It exclusively limits the use of the Moon and other celestial bodies to peaceful purposes and expressly prohibits their use for testing weapons of any kind, conducting military maneuvers, or [b]establishing military bases, installations, and fortifications[/b] (Art.IV). However, the Treaty does not prohibit the placement of conventional weapons in orbit. The treaty also states that the exploration of outer space shall be done to benefit all countries and shall be free for exploration and use by all States.
The treaty [b]explicitly forbids any government from claiming a celestial resource such as the Moon or a planet, since they are the Common heritage of mankind[/b]. Art. II of the Treaty states that "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means". However, the State that launches a space object retains jurisdiction and control over that object. The state is also liable for damages caused by their space object and must avoid contaminating space and celestial bodies.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty[/url]
They're not setting a base on the moon, guys.[/QUOTE]
A moonbase is no different to a space station, only difference is that it is attached to a celestial body.
[B]lol international law like it even matters for major powers like Russia[/B]
Also, they claimed the Arctic. I think they don't care much for international law, like, say, everyone else?
They will evacuate their government to the moon before first strike.
Edit: For the record international law doesn't matter shit for america when it's interests are endangered either.
[QUOTE=.50 Cal;29053276]Why would you use the moon as a staging ground for a mars mission? It's not even 0.1% closer to it than Earth is.[/QUOTE]
You would have to use significantly less fuel to leave the moon, but you would have to get the rocket there in the first place...
The Earth's escape velocity is 11.2 km/s, while the moon's is only 2.4 km/s
[QUOTE=Contag;29110809][B]lol international law like it even matters for major powers like Russia[/B]
Also, they claimed the Arctic. I think they don't care much for international law, like, say, everyone else?[/QUOTE]
A lot of countries claim the Arctic.
I'd love to see people try to enforce any law there.
[QUOTE=Norah;29125183]A lot of countries claim the Arctic.
I'd love to see people try to enforce any law there.[/QUOTE]
Precisely my point.
Are you going to send a cease and desist letter via Soyuz rocket to the Russian Moon Base? Ofc. not.
I am moving to Russia. Their NASA has the budget to do what they say.
[QUOTE=Thebumb;29125733]I am moving to Russia. Their NASA has the budget to do what they say.[/QUOTE]
Already half-way through my Russian courses, just in-case I have to move over there for Aerospace Engineering :v:
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