Today is the day When the Health Care Bill arrives at historic vote in U.S. House of Rep.
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Great job OP. You did it.
This is fucking ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Raiskauskone;20893262]Is the OP actually [B]The[/B] Barack Obama or just someone pretending to be?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Raiskauskone;20893262]You are an idiot[/QUOTE]
:irony:
(please note I support reform)
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[QUOTE=Raiskauskone;20893313]Well, whoever he is, hes good. All of his posts are very offical-like, and well thought.[/QUOTE]
It's mostly copypasted from WhiteHouse.gov and the Organizing For America mailing list. Still cool though, funny gimmick account :)
[QUOTE=kmathis;20897209]This is fucking ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
You mean ridiculously amazing.
TRP
[QUOTE=starpluck;20897304]You mean ridiculously amazing.
TRP[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's not what I said.
Go back to TnB.
[QUOTE=kmathis;20897333]Yeah that's not what I said.
Go back to TnB.[/QUOTE]
Go back to TRP.
I don't go on TnB anymore.
[QUOTE=starpluck;20897369]Go back to TRP.
I don't go on TnB anymore.[/QUOTE]
I haven't played on TRP since fucking May.
this guy, lol
[QUOTE=The Last Man;20895474]What I fail to understand is why Europeans and non-Americans care so much about America's Health Care bill. IS it because all you EU fuckers like company for the state of misery you are in? Frankly I don't understand why we should hand people healthcare who don't want to work, don't want health care, or are just plain illegal immigrants. I can understand in a few special cases there are the people who are generally down trodden, but frankly it seems like a shotgun approach.
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Nice attitude.
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So the 20 million people without insurance should just go and die according to you?
[QUOTE=The Last Man;20895474] Frankly I don't understand why we should hand people healthcare who don't want to work, don't want health care, or are just plain illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's just me, but I think everyone should be entitled to a good heath and from there, people tend to want to work. Drug addicts and alcoholics would get rehab, and put back into a shape where they can work and contribute back to society. Just because someone's an illegal immigrant, does not necessarily mean they are harming society either. (I'm not saying it's right for them to be in the country, but they are people too and people need money/food and will work to get it ie contribute to society)
I don't understand why the bill can even be called socialist in the first place. As far as I understand there is no government apprehensions of intellectual property or assets at all?
one of hopefully many steps for a better healthcare system in America.
[QUOTE=trainman1337;20893237]Unfortunately, yes. 219-212. :sigh: America is fucked.[/QUOTE]
They said that when medicare was passed.
didn't happen
I guess no one can see that this is going to put us in even MORE debt?
I mean open your fucking eyes.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;20895422]People said civil war would break out if Obama was voted in. Didn't happen. A lot of talk... If I see a gun shot I'll join the side which fired the shot.[/QUOTE]
lol, you're fucking psychotic
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[QUOTE=kmathis;20898177]I guess no one can see that this is going to put us in even MORE debt?
I mean open your fucking eyes.[/QUOTE]
money is more important then lives? gj
[QUOTE=kmathis;20898177]I guess no one can see that this is going to put us in even MORE debt?
I mean open your fucking eyes.[/QUOTE]
How long have we been in debt?
[QUOTE=kmathis;20898177]I guess no one can see that this is going to put us in even MORE debt?
I mean open your fucking eyes.[/QUOTE]
Many medical problems left untreated only end up costing more, if we spend the money now and heal ourselves instead of letting the health problems stagnate and get worse, helps save money in the long run.
Think of it like getting a cavity in a tooth, it's only going to get worse, the sooner it's fixed the better. A simple filling which would take around 20 minutes could turn into a several hour root canal which costs much more than a filling.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20898207]lol, you're fucking psychotic
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money is more important then lives? gj[/QUOTE]
Yes, because that's certainly what I said. gj
Or maybe we should focus on straightening out our current health insurance instead of pushing in some new public healthcare system hoping it works.
[QUOTE=starpluck;20898328]How long have we been in debt?[/QUOTE]
What are you even trying to say? The U.S. has been in debt for years and tossing a fucking trillion dollars into this healthcare isn't going to help whatsoever.
And the fact that it's going to save 100 billion within the next 10 years is moot next to what it's going to cost.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20877269]I understand if you haven't been paying attention, but we've technically been in debt since World War 2. We were in more debt after Regan than anything. No one cared about this when going to war with Iraq.
[img]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USDebt.png[/img]
I don't understand how people think our debt is more important than saving lives.[/QUOTE]
We've been in debt since we gained independence. We will never be able to pay it off, just that simple. Odds are the US will break up before then. I am personally for healthcare reform, but not for this bill. A lot of the money for it just the government pulling stuff out of their ass, and I doubt it will really help anyway. The cost of healthcare is major issue here. If the lower class can get affordable healthcare and actually pay for more of what they get, then the middle class won't get shafted on costs. I really don't care that companies can profit over my livelihood, that would actually help drive prices down. The problem is that right now they really don't compete. There are only a couple of large insurance companies in my state, and Blue Cross pretty much dominates. Besides, if there is no incentive to do a quality job to retain customers, then why do a quality job? Why worry about fines when you can just go into another field or avoid going into healthcare altogether? Money is a strong motive. That may not be morally right, but that's the way it is.
[QUOTE=kmathis;20898469]Yes, because that's certainly what I said. gj
Or maybe we should focus on straightening out our current health insurance instead of pushing in some new public healthcare system hoping it works.[/QUOTE]
uh, it will work?
[QUOTE=Lumpymayo;20898409]Many medical problems left untreated only end up costing more, if we spend the money now and heal ourselves instead of letting the health problems stagnate and get worse, helps save money in the long run.
Think of it like getting a cavity in a tooth, it's only going to get worse, the sooner it's fixed the better. A simple filling which would take around 20 minutes could turn into a several hour root canal which costs much more than a filling.[/QUOTE]
That kind of thing is already covered, as in a hospital cannot turn somebody away. They have to treat them. The problem now is that they don't pay for their care.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20898773]uh, it will work?[/QUOTE]
Uh, have you met the US government?
[QUOTE=The Last Man;20898810]Uh, have you met the US government?[/QUOTE]
FDA, USDA, UPS, medicare, social security, DEP, PD, FD
yeah it'll work
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20898773]uh, it will work?[/QUOTE]
LOL okay.
mind if I borrow your time machine?
[QUOTE=kmathis;20898830]LOL okay.
mind if I borrow your time machine?[/QUOTE]
The same was said about medicaid. "Its not going to work!!" "Save us!'
Its common sense really, you don't need a time-machine to see the outcome unless you honestly have no ability to predict.
[QUOTE=starpluck;20898865]The same was said about medicaid. "Its not going to work!!" "Save us!'
Its common sense really, you don't need a time-machine to see the outcome unless you honestly have no ability to predict.[/QUOTE]
It's common sense to be able to predict whether something as big as this will work or not?
Honestly this isn't as simple as you're making it out to be. It's a pretty big risk throwing a trillion dollars into something like this.
I think you've got your head shoved so far up your ass you can't see the actual problems this could cause.
How is this news. Dont half of existing countries already have universal healthcare. Stop posting these shitty national news threads plz.
so the only reason why you think it would fail is because it's adding to a debt?
what do you think happened during FDR?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20898989]so the only reason why you think it would fail is because it's adding to a debt?
what do you think happened during FDR?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but isn't that a big enough reason?
Eventually the U.S. isn't going to be able to print money like it is nowadays.
Say they run out of money to pay for this universal healthcare, even more people would lose their health insurance and it'd be worse than it is now. If the healthcare system collapses then others are sure to follow.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20898989]so the only reason why you think it would fail is because it's adding to a debt?
what do you think happened during FDR?[/QUOTE]
We spent an assload of cash and then World-Warred our way out of the depression.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;20898803]That kind of thing is already covered, as in a hospital cannot turn somebody away. They have to treat them. The problem now is that they don't pay for their care.[/QUOTE]
I didn't exactly clarify my previous point. My point is that implementing a universal system would cost a lot of money initially, but over time as we follow a trend of treating [b]all[/b] people sooner instead of later costs will go down due to less complications.
I thought hospitals turn uninsured people away all the time who need to see doctors about issues they are having and only when that issue escalates to life or death then the hospital will admit them. True they won't turn you away if it's a life or death situation, but wouldn't it have been better and possibly cheaper to admit that person sooner to prevent the issue from escalating to a life and death situation? Wouldn't it be better for our society to function in a way that we heal people before they become so sick that it becomes a life or death situation, allowing them to be more productive in our economy. Maybe one person wouldn't make a difference but in theory, if we follow a trend of healing people before they become really sick, over time wouldn't our society will be healthier therefore more prosperous economically?
Am I making sense?
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