• Today is the day When the Health Care Bill arrives at historic vote in U.S. House of Rep.
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[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;20880441]I think this law should pass because republicans are STUPID STINKY BUTTS[/QUOTE] Their not the ones trying to move us to socialism.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880461]The public was totally for reform. Now that time has dragged on, the public has turned[/QUOTE] uhh yeah that's why you don't pass legislation on populist whim. Do I seriously have to explain the concept of populism to you and its noncompliance with Constitutional standards of law? [editline]04:14PM[/editline] You blame Fox News but haven't you fucking considered the notion that now that the panic and hysteria have settled the political situation is drastically different for a damn good reason?
[QUOTE=Lankist;20880495]uhh yeah that's why you don't pass legislation on populist whim. Do I seriously have to explain the concept of populism to you and its noncompliance with Constitutional standards of law?[/QUOTE] So you seriously believe that the American public really knows what is best for them? They [b]really[/b] understand healthcare reform?
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880532]So you seriously believe that the American public really knows what is best for them? They [b]really[/b] understand healthcare reform?[/QUOTE] First you say we should have passed it earlier because EEEEEVERYONE was for it and EEEEEEVERYONE was right! Now you say the American Public is stupid as fuck and doesn't know what the hell it's talking about. Dude are you high right now?
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880532]So you seriously believe that the American public really knows what is best for them? They [b]really[/b] understand healthcare reform?[/QUOTE] The government isn't any smarter than the general public. The fact that you think it is is fucking scary.
[QUOTE=Ragy;20880493]Their not the ones trying to move us to socialism.[/QUOTE] We've had socialistic values in our country for years
[QUOTE=Ragy;20880493]Their not the ones trying to move us to socialism.[/QUOTE] That's bad because?
[QUOTE=Lankist;20880548]First you say we should have passed it earlier because EEEEEVERYONE was for it! Now you say the American Public is stupid as fuck and doesn't know what the hell it's talking about. Dude are you high right now?[/QUOTE] You really have no credibility if you're going to insult through emotion over logic. And no, I was pointing out how easily people are moved by advertisement.
[b]I[/b] really understand healthcare reform. I know [b]dozens[/b] of others who really understand healthcare reform. We do not bow to populism, no matter what.
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;20880569]That's bad because?[/QUOTE] Any ism besides captialism is godless obviously.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880570]You really have no credibility if you're going to insult through emotion over logic. And no, I was pointing out how easily people are moved by advertisement.[/QUOTE] You are contradicting yourself. You are a proponent for populism when they are on your side, and you are against it when they aren't. Seriously. Go google Populism and come back. It isn't Fox News that's changing the political fucking landscape, it's the fact that the dust is settling and we're getting more realistic about our goals.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880586]Any ism besides captialism is godless obviously.[/QUOTE] And you know those Republicans and their God :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Lankist;20880572][b]I[/b] really understand healthcare reform. I know [b]dozens[/b] of others who really understand healthcare reform. We do not bow to populism, no matter what.[/QUOTE] You don't think a populist vote should matter (Fuck democracy) You don't think a forceful approach should work (fuck authority) What the hell do you propose happens then? You just seem to hate everything.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880613]You don't think a populist vote should matter (Fuck democracy) You don't think a forceful approach should work (fuck authority) What the hell do you propose happens then? You just seem to hate everything.[/QUOTE] Are you retarded? Like, I'm actually curious are you kind of special because that would explain this post.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;20880556]The government isn't any smarter than the general public. The fact that you think it is is fucking scary.[/QUOTE] The government knows best and always makes the right decision after all. Drugs are bad kids, 'specially Mary Jane.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880613]You don't think a populist vote should matter (Fuck democracy) You don't think a forceful approach should work (fuck authority) What the hell do you propose happens then? You just seem to hate everything.[/QUOTE] Uhh representative democracy (what the fucking are) is completely against populism. Democracy =/= populism.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20880589]You are contradicting yourself. You are a proponent for populism when they are on your side, and you are against it when they aren't. Seriously. Go google Populism and come back. It isn't Fox News that's changing the political fucking landscape, it's the fact that the dust is settling and we're getting more realistic about our goals.[/QUOTE] Where am I doing this? I have been arguing that people are too retarded to vote for themselves. Why do you think direct democracy barely exists anywhere, and the only places it does is places like Switzerland, areas with high education and literacy. You have to got to be kidding me. Have you seriously walked down the street and asked anyone what they think about healthcare? In a country, where 1 out of 10 people can't even find ourselves on a fucking map, I really have trouble trusting them to understand the health insurance industry.
[QUOTE=Billiam;20880655]The government knows best and always makes the right decision after all. Drugs are bad kids, 'specially Mary Jane.[/QUOTE] That whore
[QUOTE=Billiam;20880655]The government knows best and always makes the right decision after all. Drugs are bad kids, 'specially Mary Jane.[/QUOTE] lock them japs up they're spies (maybe)
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;20880640]Are you retarded? Like, I'm actually curious are you kind of special because that would explain this post.[/QUOTE] Are you retarded? I'm also curious. Explain this post, because I think you're retarded.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880613]You don't think a populist vote should matter (Fuck democracy) You don't think a forceful approach should work (fuck authority) What the hell do you propose happens then? You just seem to hate everything.[/QUOTE] We have a solid, objective document to base all of our law on with multiple organs of government that ensure each follow this document. You learn this prior to Middle School.
How similar is the healthcare reform to the British NHS?
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880677]Where am I doing this? I have been arguing that people are too retarded to vote for themselves. Why do you think direct democracy barely exists anywhere, and the only places it does is places like Switzerland, areas with high education and literacy.[/quote] Uhh because direct democracy is what gets us shitty legislation like Proposition Eight. [quote]You have to got to be kidding me. Have you seriously walked down the street and asked anyone what they think about healthcare? In a country, where 1 out of 10 people can't even find ourselves on a fucking map, I really have trouble trusting them to understand the health insurance industry.[/QUOTE] Wow you are conceited as all hell. You act as though you're above "them" and yet you don't even know how our government fucking works. I certainly don't trust your vote, given you are ignorant on the topic and have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880695]Are you retarded? I'm also curious. Explain this post, because I think you're retarded.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn35/Toglop/002.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Billiam;20880709]We have a solid, objective document to base all of our law on with multiple organs of government that ensure each follow this document. You learn this prior to Middle School.[/QUOTE] I don't think that has anything to do with that post but okay, I'm glad you learned about the constitution. [editline]03:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;20880728]Uhh because direct democracy is what gets us shitty legislation like Proposition Eight. Wow you are conceited as all hell. You act as though you're above "them" and yet you don't even know how our government fucking works.[/QUOTE] Because clearly it doesn't work!! This is what I am arguing. [editline]03:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kingy_who;20880713]How similar is the healthcare reform to the British NHS?[/QUOTE] Has nothing to do with it remotely.
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;20880713]How similar is the healthcare reform to the British NHS?[/QUOTE] They aren't similar. This reform charges premiums for a competing government insurance program. [editline]04:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Nyaos;20880738]Because clearly it doesn't work!! This is what I am arguing.[/QUOTE] Stop for a fucking second. Take a step back. Now what the fuck is your point here? You aren't making any sense at all.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880738]I don't think that has anything to do with that post but okay, I'm glad you learned about the constitution. [/QUOTE] It's not like the post I was responding to stated that the only two possible governments were democracy and authoritarianism.
Okay to clear up confusion, what I'm trying to say is that I don't believe that the public really knows anything about what is going on, and it's because they have been propagandized by health insurance industry sponsored media. I'm saying direct democracy doesn't work in a place like America, where it can lead to things like Prop 8 vote. And I really wasn't arguing against your populist view. I favor a system similar to the NHS. But that'll never happen.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880853]Okay to clear up confusion, what I'm trying to say is that I don't believe that the public really knows anything about what is going on,[/quote] Please enlighten us groveling members of the public, what is going on?
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20880738]I don't think that has anything to do with that post but okay, I'm glad you learned about the constitution. [editline]03:24PM[/editline] Because clearly it doesn't work!! This is what I am arguing. [editline]03:24PM[/editline] Has nothing to do with it remotely.[/QUOTE] So what exactly are you trying to say? That the Government is absolutely always right and knows the best for us?
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