Today is the day When the Health Care Bill arrives at historic vote in U.S. House of Rep.
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[QUOTE=Billiam;20882296]This shit effects 300 million people in one of the most powerful industrialized nations in the world.[/QUOTE]
It's still a wall of text.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;20882100]Not to mention using the "the founding fathers wouldn't have wanted this" argument.[/QUOTE]
That was dick move. 200 and something years ago is not comparative to modern day, on most of issues.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;20882358]what is your point[/QUOTE]
My point is that the average person probably hasn't read it and as far as I was/am Lankist was an average person therefore I didn't think he read it. But he corrected it and said he did 6 times.
Cool
Lets move on shall we?
And did that one guy want to read 4000-something pages?
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;20882377]It's still a wall of text.[/QUOTE]
Would you enjoy it if it was ASCII furry porn?
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;20882377]It's still a wall of text.[/QUOTE]
So is the Vietnam War Memorial.
[QUOTE=Billiam;20882447]So is the Vietnam War Memorial.[/QUOTE]
Are you getting somewhere with that?
[QUOTE=Turnips5;20881899]Yeah, me too.
I mean, I want to know as well.[/QUOTE]
When the bill first came into existence, it had a "public option" that was supposed to get poor people on to the program. Then market liberals started complaining about the possibility of the public option muscling out private insurers, the insurance exchange being too restrictive, there was outcry over more "big government", "abortion", "taxes", "death panels", etc and it was cut out.
Over the fall they started debating over what the bill should or shouldn't do. They settled for simply "regulating" it to make it more affordable, and essentially mandating that everyone has to buy into an insurance program, similar to what Romney instituted during his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts. Obama abandoned the Public Option and began to tout the "insurance exchange" more and more, that is some half-assed attempt to control insurance costs and actions.
My opinion on the matter for what it's worth
What they got is pretty stupid. It ultimately benefits the insurers and pharmaceutical companies. It is not anything that will make it a single-payer system (nor was it ever... that never was their intention), or what is common in much of Europe. I don't have any faith that they will be able to "regulate" the industry to make it affordable. They can't do it because ultimately all of them, Republican or Democrat, answer to them in one way or another.
Personally I'm disappointed with the way it came out. The bill is a mess. Republicans aren't providing an alternative and just making noise over it to seem like they're on the side of the working man (hah), the Blue Dogs and Republicans are acting like they give a damn about the budget for once after voting for defense increases, Obama and the rest screwed over their progressive wings, and we got a bunch of selfish, right-wing populist nutjob tea bagger pricks birthed from this. This whole ordeal made me lose even more faith in the country.
This system they are pushing is not "socialized" (though the Tea baggers are still pushing that and will continue to do so), is not "universal, and just another drive that got bastardized from what it was supposed to be like, such as SCHIP.
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;20882539]Are you getting somewhere with that?[/QUOTE]
The Vietnam War Memorial is cool.
[QUOTE=MercZ;20882588]
My opinion on the matter for what it's worth
What they got is pretty stupid. It ultimately benefits the insurers and pharmaceutical companies. It is not anything that will make it a single-payer system, or what is common in much of Europe. I don't have any faith that they will be able to "regulate" the industry to make it affordable. They can't do it because ultimately all of them, Republican or Democrat, answer to them in one way or another.
Personally I'm disappointed with the way it came out. The bill is a mess. Republicans aren't providing an alternative and just making noise over it to seem like they're on the side of the working man (hah), the Blue Dogs and Republicans are acting like they give a damn about the budget for once after voting for defense increases, Obama and the rest screwed over their progressive wings, and we got a bunch of selfish, right-wing populist nutjob tea bagger pricks birthed from this. This whole ordeal made me lose even more faith in the country.
This system is not "socialized", is not "universal, and just another drive that got bastardized from what it was supposed to be like, such as SCHIP.[/QUOTE]
You deserve a medal
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;20882318]But yet the average person still probably hasn't read it in its entirety[/QUOTE]
it's like 900 paragraphs long what do you want from them
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;20882668]it's like 900 paragraphs long what do you want from them[/QUOTE]
That was my reason for doubting Lankist reading it
But if he has then he has
[QUOTE=MercZ;20882588]When the bill first came into existence, it had a "public option" that was supposed to get poor people on to the program. Then market liberals started complaining about the possibility of it muscling out private insurers, there was outcry over more "big government", and it was cut out.
Over the fall they started debating over what the bill should or shouldn't do. They settled for simply "regulating" it to make it more affordable, and essentially mandating that everyone has to buy into an insurance program, similar to what Romney instituted during his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts.
My opinion on the matter for what it's worth
What they got is pretty stupid. It ultimately benefits the insurers and pharmaceutical companies. It is not anything that will make it a single-payer system (nor was it ever... that never was their intention), or what is common in much of Europe. I don't have any faith that they will be able to "regulate" the industry to make it affordable. They can't do it because ultimately all of them, Republican or Democrat, answer to them in one way or another.
Personally I'm disappointed with the way it came out. The bill is a mess. Republicans aren't providing an alternative and just making noise over it to seem like they're on the side of the working man (hah), the Blue Dogs and Republicans are acting like they give a damn about the budget for once after voting for defense increases, Obama and the rest screwed over their progressive wings, and we got a bunch of selfish, right-wing populist nutjob tea bagger pricks birthed from this. This whole ordeal made me lose even more faith in the country.
This system they are pushing is not "socialized", is not "universal, and just another drive that got bastardized from what it was supposed to be like, such as SCHIP.[/QUOTE]
What i was trying to say but better. Good job.
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;20882399]My point is that the average person probably hasn't read it and as far as I was/am Lankist was an average person therefore I didn't think he read it. But he corrected it and said he did 6 times.
Cool
Lets move on shall we?[/QUOTE]
Is Lankist really average person?
What defines the average person?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TI8xqLl_-w[/media]
Some people here need to watch this for a quick reminder on how acts and laws are passed.
Ooh, I'm all excited...
Break a leg, Obama!
[QUOTE=Fippe;20882897]Is Lankist really average person?
What defines the average person?[/QUOTE]
Anyone I meet anywhere until proven otherwise
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;20883097]Anyone I meet anywhere until proven otherwise[/QUOTE]
So most of people are not in fact average persons?
[QUOTE=Fippe;20883201]So most of people are not in fact average persons?[/QUOTE]
No they are
You for instance are average to me because you have not provided anything for me to think otherwise
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;20883244]No they are
You for instance are average to me because you have not provided anything for me to think otherwise[/QUOTE]
What if there would be a person whom would be considered in every way average, but he hadn't met you, would he be average person?
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;20883244]No they are
You for instance are average to me because you have not provided anything for me to think otherwise[/QUOTE]
sigh plebs..
[QUOTE=Fippe;20883294]What if there would be a person whom would be considered in every way average, but he hadn't met you, would he be average person?[/QUOTE]
Sure
And are you trying to derail this thread?
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;20883320]Sure
And are you trying to derail this thread?[/QUOTE]
All right.
Naw, I'm just debating over nothing intelligent which could be determined as derailing because it is just words after words. Practicing political talk, in layman's terms. :v:
Well this is going to be a disaster.
I just changed the channel to Fox News to laugh.
Anybody remember that part in the live broadcast where the speaker was saying "The house will be in order!" when people were standing up to get drinks of water during speaker's turns?
Guess what. Fox News edited that clip with a WOO, RAH, RABBLE RABBLE soundtrack in the background to make it seem like it was some big guffaw.
[QUOTE=Nyaos;20876866]Because Fox scared them into thinking:
1) Death panels
2) Socialism
3) Too much money
4) Illegal Immigrants
5) Abortions on the bill
6) Free handouts
I could go on. People have no fucking clue what is going on, and I'm really starting to question my philosophy of "the people know best".[/QUOTE]
Speak for yourself.
I'm against it for multiple reasons, none of which are on that list.
oh fox news :allears:
[QUOTE=Lankist;20883491]I just changed the channel to Fox News to laugh.
Anybody remember that part in the live broadcast where the speaker was saying "The house will be in order!" when people were standing up to get drinks of water during speaker's turns?
Guess what. Fox News edited that clip with a WOO, RAH, RABBLE RABBLE soundtrack in the background to make it seem like it was some big guffaw.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they'll use a picture from a completely different rally for the Tea bagger protests, like they did that other time...
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