• The end of an era: iPod Classic discontinued
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[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45942007]The Autism in this post is too much for me tbh. What a Supreme Gentleman. There, I've used 5 pieces of punctuation, have you jizzed into your fedora yet?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I've seen enough of your shitposting. Just going to block you now.
nice twitter dude, total apple domination
[QUOTE=.Lain;45942032]nice twitter dude, total apple domination[/QUOTE] thanks not sure whether to be slightly creeped out now
[QUOTE=.Lain;45942032]nice twitter dude, total apple domination[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2XEJqfZ.png[/IMG] lmao
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;45942103][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2XEJqfZ.png[/IMG] lmao[/QUOTE] sinking to that level okay
imagine being this angry over a mobile phone operating system imagine going on tirades to express your frustration in a mobile phone that isn't your mobile phone just imagine being that guy
[QUOTE=wraithcat;45936953]You know that WP8 and Android can work like that just fine right? Unless you mean actually having a USB key stick design and embedded connection port so you don't hve to use a cable.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's what I use myself. But when I jog it'd be a lot neater to just carry one small mp3 player instead of a big clunky phone.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;45942223]imagine being this angry over a mobile phone operating system imagine going on tirades to express your frustration in a mobile phone that isn't your mobile phone just imagine being that guy[/QUOTE] You don't know his life. What if iOS dishonored his family?
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;45942223]imagine being this angry over a mobile phone operating system imagine going on tirades to express your frustration in a mobile phone that isn't your mobile phone just imagine being that guy[/QUOTE] Well, I don't go on tirades, but I do have a concern for people buying things that aren't adequately priced. Beats headphones, iPhones, etc - they're all insanely priced and people pay for it. When you're buying something, you're voting for that company's product and supporting them financially. They wouldn't have an incentive to price something so high if people didn't accept it. Their profit margins on their products are insane, and something I think everyone should scoff at. It's not just Apple products, as I've stated before, but it's a lot of things. Apple is just the perfect example. I'm not saying Apple users are idiots - I actually like iOS and it's simplicity. Everyone can use iOS. I just don't think the price and "money-hungry" practices that Apple employs are called for, and people should really take a look at who they're purchasing from. Remember, companies wouldn't have a reason or incentive to screw over their customers if their customers weren't supporting them in the first place. The price of the iPhone and Apple products could be priced more sensibly if people weren't buying the unreasonably priced products.
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45936086]what apple has shown today can be summed up like this for me: lmao they're still dumb as fuck in the end yet they still manage to pull in the revenue because consumers are dumber apple are still behind the competition in every way and they only thing they have going for them is product design which they pull off very nice, which encourages everyone else to catch up with them, that's it, they're not innovative technically, all they can do is make up some sharp curves in photoshop and slap some myriad or helvetica on it and call it design i say this because their marketing is top notch bait yet still it's hilarious looking, spotting and listening to the buzzwords; in addition to the heavily edited pictures, sharp typefaces etc. the only thing worthwhile apple has done for me was the ipod classic specifically, and now i don't give a fuck and i want to see apple fail so hard now never change apple, never change[/QUOTE] Imagine insulting people because they spend their money on stuff you don't like.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45936943]totally different product and item, but I have these decade+ old creative speakers, 2 of them, with bass, and even today they sound GREAT and work amazing. The volume control is battered to hell, works fine and dandy. Sometimes, it's best to use old shit. Old stuff that lasts is fantastic. Especially with a lot of electronics. Most new electronics seem a bit too fragile in my opinion. But this is why I only go for phones that gimmick on the idea of being able to be thrown at a wall / dropped in a lake[/QUOTE] Speaking of speakers, I have some monsoon MM702s, almost 13 years old and still the best speakers I've ever heard
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45942019]Supporting Apple is support of paying more for less. When I see people paying for Apple products, it's quite infuriating because they are supporting themselves being screwed over with ridiculous profit margins. I'm like that with just about everything, but Apple is the pinnacle of marketing defining the price as opposed to the device itself.[/QUOTE] HTC One (M8): $650 iPhone 6 (16GB): $650 I know right? I'm getting so ripped off and I'm going to have to pay so much more for my phone. I can see how that would be "infuriating" for you. [QUOTE=wauterboi;45942565]Well, I don't go on tirades, but I do have a concern for people buying things that aren't adequately priced. Beats headphones, iPhones, etc - they're all insanely priced and people pay for it. When you're buying something, you're voting for that company's product and supporting them financially. They wouldn't have an incentive to price something so high if people didn't accept it. Their profit margins on their products are insane, and something I think everyone should scoff at. It's not just Apple products, as I've stated before, but it's a lot of things. Apple is just the perfect example. I'm not saying Apple users are idiots - I actually like iOS and it's simplicity. Everyone can use iOS. I just don't think the price and "money-hungry" practices that Apple employs are called for, and people should really take a look at who they're purchasing from. Remember, companies wouldn't have a reason or incentive to screw over their customers if their customers weren't supporting them in the first place. The price of the iPhone and Apple products could be priced more sensibly if people weren't buying the unreasonably priced products.[/QUOTE] I'm voting for Apple's product because it's a product I like, and because I think it's a reasonable price for the design and components. What exactly are Apple's "money-hungry practices"? Seriously, I've had Apple hardware break on me a couple of times, once even out of warranty and they repaired or even outright replaced it with a new model for free. You buy the product for a bit of a premium and they help you not have to get another one until you want to. That seems like the least money-hungry practice I've seen in the tech industry. You can cut the condescending "poor widdle apple users don't know what anything is worth" crap. Either way, why is what other people spend their money on your concern? That seems really judgemental and dicky. If you're not using Apple then their pricing and business practices don't effect you, because other companies actively work to go [I]against[/I] those practices to distance themselves from Apple.
The iPod Classic is the Beetle of MP3 players. They've been produced for almost fifteen years, so parts and used models are widely available. You'll probably still be able to buy them years from now. Really, the iPhone has finally hit the highest storage capacity of the iPod Classic, and it's always been sort of accepted that the Classic would die when they reached that point. I'd expect a 128GB iPod Touch at the next iPod event, since we've already got the iPhone 6's. It's sad, but these things happen eventually. Apple doesn't like stagnating, I'm surprised they kept it around as long as they did. [editline]10th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=wauterboi;45942565]Well, I don't go on tirades, but I do have a concern for people buying things that aren't adequately priced. Beats headphones, iPhones, etc - they're all insanely priced and people pay for it. When you're buying something, you're voting for that company's product and supporting them financially. They wouldn't have an incentive to price something so high if people didn't accept it. Their profit margins on their products are insane, and something I think everyone should scoff at. It's not just Apple products, as I've stated before, but it's a lot of things. Apple is just the perfect example. I'm not saying Apple users are idiots - I actually like iOS and it's simplicity. Everyone can use iOS. I just don't think the price and "money-hungry" practices that Apple employs are called for, and people should really take a look at who they're purchasing from. Remember, companies wouldn't have a reason or incentive to screw over their customers if their customers weren't supporting them in the first place. The price of the iPhone and Apple products could be priced more sensibly if people weren't buying the unreasonably priced products.[/QUOTE] I don't think you fully understand the way luxury markets work...
[QUOTE=redBadger;45937230]People still use mp3 players?[/QUOTE] My friend uses his old iPod to play music through his car's system so he doesn't have to do anything with his phone. Honestly that's the only time I've seen someone use one in years.
iPhones are like Dre Beats; you buy Apple Products for a mix of a few reasons: 1) The Brand. Let's face it, Apple has a track record of making an attractive product with marketing to back it up. The sleek design, well presented packaging and advertisements give it a huge appeal. 2) Simplicity. Apple products simply do what they're advertised to do. This is what makes them a first choice for most people. The iOS Operating System doesn't attempt to push itself; so you essentially a platform that doesn't fail in terms of delivering reliable use. For casual users this is what they want; an uncomplicated phone you can use immediately out of the box without getting use to a learning curve. 3) Hype. There's a certain excitement about Apple Products; when something is released you simply become curious and want to know more, you want to try it for yourself. There's nothing wrong with building hype; especially when the products have a tendency to be successful. However; I personally prefer the Android OS because I'm not just an average consumer who needs something that works. I want something that allows me to push beyond the limitations of what the Developer intends. This doesn't make me superior; it simply means we all have preferences. There's no right or wrong in this, a consumer will purchase what they feel is best for their own needs. I personally prefer Samsung's Galaxy Note line of flagship smartphones because it caters to what I need in a phone. I can expand the memory with a large Class 10 Micro SD Card; this is primarily for both work and entertainment purposes. I use the stylus regularly since I do work from my phone fairly often, which is also why I prefer the large screen. The Android OS is a lot like how Linux is; an enthusiast can benefit from a lot of the features unknown to casual phone users. I have my phone Rooted with a custom Rom that allows me to do a wide variety of things not previously available.
For everyone saying that the pricing is reasonable, im just gonna lay down this little bit of info: They charge 10 dollars for chords that cost about 25 cents to a dollar to make.
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45936086]what apple has shown today can be summed up like this for me: lmao they're still dumb as fuck in the end yet they still manage to pull in the revenue because consumers are dumber apple are still behind the competition in every way and they only thing they have going for them is product design which they pull off very nice, which encourages everyone else to catch up with them, that's it, they're not innovative technically, all they can do is make up some sharp curves in photoshop and slap some myriad or helvetica on it and call it design i say this because their marketing is top notch bait yet still it's hilarious looking, spotting and listening to the buzzwords; in addition to the heavily edited pictures, sharp typefaces etc. the only thing worthwhile apple has done for me was the ipod classic specifically, and now i don't give a fuck and i want to see apple fail so hard now never change apple, never change[/QUOTE] You must really hate apple. Read the rest of the thread. I lol'd. You shit all over the iWatch thread and the iPhone 6 thread too lmao
Profit margins. [quote]In just 18 months between October 2010 and March 2012, gross margins on iPhone were between 49 and 58%, an almost unheard of figure for a consumer electronics product.[/quote] Source: [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogo...phone-profits/[/url] [quote]But operating profit margin from [Samsung's] mobile communications business fell to 17.7% in the second quarter from 19.8% in the first quarter.[/quote] Source: [url]http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...28622467331286[/url] (yes, I am aware they aren't doing great) [quote][HP's] operating margin, which doesn’t factor in overhead costs, came in at 5.66%.[/quote] Source: [url]http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/...oes_from_7_pcs[/url]
The problem I have with Apple is that they make so much more money off of something that is significantly cheap to produce, just like Beats by Dre. Yeah, they've come up with ways to cut the price for the consumer, but that's through [I]contracts[/I] (which I already think suck). If you want to get an iPhone off-contract, money starts adding up quickly. And all for the brand, basically. Other companies do this, but not to such the extent of Apple. They also do stupid things like place a cost for [I]making ringtones[/I] on the consumer. (Or at least last I remember.) And just because people are paying for iPhones and their buying habits are not my own, that doesn't mean I can't be a little disheartened by other people's decisions.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45953041]The problem I have with Apple is that they make so much more money off of something that is significantly cheap to produce, just like Beats by Dre. Yeah, they've come up with ways to cut the price for the consumer, but that's through [I]contracts[/I] (which I already think suck). If you want to get an iPhone off-contract, money starts adding up quickly. And all for the brand, basically. Other companies do this, but not to such the extent of Apple. They also do stupid things like place a cost for [I]making ringtones[/I] on the consumer. (Or at least last I remember.) And just because people are paying for iPhones and their buying habits are not my own, that doesn't mean I can't be a little disheartened by other people's decisions.[/QUOTE] If you're going to try to do this sort of thing, figure out your numbers first. Otherwise, you just end up looking a little bit silly. For instance! An iPhone 5S has a material cost of about $213. It's sold for $650 off contract, or $200 on contract. (And that's due to the way all phones are sold, which is why a lot of other phones are sold for $200/$650.) Which brings us to our main competitor, the Galaxy S5 by Samsung. It costs $250 to build, and, as luck would have it, is sold for $200/$650, the same as the iPhone. Now, I'm not sure about you, but I'd say both of those are artificially inflated. And yet, you don't seem to be looking at it that way, or wanting to criticize anyone but Apple here. Let's look at your second point, shall we? For a few years now, Apple has offered the ability to make ringtones from songs you already own in iTunes, for free. And they've offered a free copy of Garageband for iOS with every new phone, which is also capable of making ringtones from songs. For free. So we can say that that point is pretty objectively wrong. As for that last bit, that's just rude. I'm not sure there's a metric for that, but it's none of your damn business what other people buy, and it's irritating that you try to come off as some sort of paragon of consumerist virtue by "taking pity" on others for their cell phone choices. Now, can you stop threadshitting, get your facts together, and formulate an actual argument instead of whatever it is you're trying to do now? Or, better yet, find something else to do with your time?
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45936086]what apple has shown today can be summed up like this for me: lmao they're still dumb as fuck in the end yet they still manage to pull in the revenue because consumers are dumber apple are still behind the competition in every way and they only thing they have going for them is product design which they pull off very nice, which encourages everyone else to catch up with them, that's it, they're not innovative technically, all they can do is make up some sharp curves in photoshop and slap some myriad or helvetica on it and call it design i say this because their marketing is top notch bait yet still it's hilarious looking, spotting and listening to the buzzwords; in addition to the heavily edited pictures, sharp typefaces etc. the only thing worthwhile apple has done for me was the ipod classic specifically, and now i don't give a fuck and i want to see apple fail so hard now never change apple, never change[/QUOTE] as a windows and android enthusiast, go away with that shit, no one likes elitism. There is nothing wrong with the products themselves, regardless of how arrogant their marketing is. lots of marketing brown noses itself because brown nosing yourself sells.
I will defnitely miss the iPod classic, I always keep a dedicated music player away from my phone and I was looking forward to an update.
[QUOTE=.Lain;45941445]wow, you sure told all of those qualified tech journalists with years of experience! i wish i had thought of posting the 'iphone-troll.jpg' image before[/QUOTE] pot kettle black
[QUOTE=woolio1;45953503]If you're going to try to do this sort of thing, figure out your numbers first. Otherwise, you just end up looking a little bit silly. For instance! An iPhone 5S has a material cost of about $213. It's sold for $650 off contract, or $200 on contract. (And that's due to the way all phones are sold, which is why a lot of other phones are sold for $200/$650.) Which brings us to our main competitor, the Galaxy S5 by Samsung. It costs $250 to build, and, as luck would have it, is sold for $200/$650, the same as the iPhone. Now, I'm not sure about you, but I'd say both of those are artificially inflated. And yet, you don't seem to be looking at it that way, or wanting to criticize anyone but Apple here. Let's look at your second point, shall we? For a few years now, Apple has offered the ability to make ringtones from songs you already own in iTunes, for free. And they've offered a free copy of Garageband for iOS with every new phone, which is also capable of making ringtones from songs. For free. So we can say that that point is pretty objectively wrong. As for that last bit, that's just rude. I'm not sure there's a metric for that, but it's none of your damn business what other people buy, and it's irritating that you try to come off as some sort of paragon of consumerist virtue by "taking pity" on others for their cell phone choices. Now, can you stop threadshitting, get your facts together, and formulate an actual argument instead of whatever it is you're trying to do now? Or, better yet, find something else to do with your time?[/QUOTE] These are some good points. I can honestly never get mad because of the artificial inflation; all companies do it--not just Apple. We could piss and moan all day about that; but that's capitalism. Supply meets demands, but in the same regard our demand for a product means the company/market can set the prices. It really is a small price to pay for the quality of product you get.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45953041]The problem I have with Apple is that they make so much more money off of something that is significantly cheap to produce, just like Beats by Dre. Yeah, they've come up with ways to cut the price for the consumer, but that's through [I]contracts[/I] (which I already think suck). If you want to get an iPhone off-contract, money starts adding up quickly. And all for the brand, basically. [/QUOTE] everyone does this. samsung is probably the worst for it if anything seeing as they manufacture most of their parts first hand [editline]11th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45953805]pot kettle black[/QUOTE] dumb post bye
[QUOTE=.Lain;45955537]everyone does this. samsung is probably the worst for it if anything seeing as they manufacture most of their parts first hand[/QUOTE] I wrote out this really long response to woolio's post, but I think I'll do something different instead: The point I'm trying to make is that people's purchases in general should be criticized for the same reason votes are criticized. I'm not saying you should be a jerk with a "mightier than thou" attitude towards other people - I definitely wouldn't fill that slot "mightier" slot because I don't like cell phones, I don't buy any of the new phones, and I am a big-time cheapskate when possible. However, when you see a company is being disingenuous with their pricing, anyone buying their products is voting for that price point. Companies have no incentive to price things ridiculously if people don't support it. That goes for anyone doing this. For example, if everyone stopped buying Beats headphones that cost $14 to make and sell for anywhere between $80 to $400, they would either lower the price or just stop making the product. All of this information is out there too; it requires only interest to find. I picked out terrible sources because I did a five second Google search, but I'm willing to share that hate with any company doing that. I already dislike Samsung and I'm not white-knighting for any company in particular. And just because more companies fall under my criteria does not invalidate my point about Apple, and the cell phone market in general. I think people should be more upset about this. With that said, I have friends who drone on and on about how Androids are better than iOS and that iOS users are idiots for their purchases - I don't advocate that. I think that's stupid. I like iOS, just not Apple. I just think we as a society should stop to ask ourselves whether or not Apple really deserves a price margin like they do, and whether we support that arbitrary pricing point enough to keep dumping money on them?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45957371]I wrote out this really long response to woolio's post, but I think I'll do something different instead: The point I'm trying to make is that people's purchases in general should be criticized for the same reason votes are criticized. I'm not saying you should be a jerk with a "mightier than thou" attitude towards other people - I definitely wouldn't fill that slot "mightier" slot because I don't like cell phones, I don't buy any of the new phones, and I am a big-time cheapskate when possible. However, when you see a company is being disingenuous with their pricing, anyone buying their products is voting for that price point. Companies have no incentive to price things ridiculously if people don't support it. That goes for anyone doing this. For example, if everyone stopped buying Beats headphones that cost $14 to make and sell for anywhere between $80 to $400, they would either lower the price or just stop making the product. All of this information is out there too; it requires only interest to find. I picked out terrible sources because I did a five second Google search, but I'm willing to share that hate with any company doing that. I already dislike Samsung and I'm not white-knighting for any company in particular. And just because more companies fall under my criteria does not invalidate my point about Apple, and the cell phone market in general. I think people should be more upset about this. With that said, I have friends who drone on and on about how Androids are better than iOS and that iOS users are idiots for their purchases - I don't advocate that. I think that's stupid. I like iOS, just not Apple. I just think we as a society should stop to ask ourselves whether or not Apple really deserves a price margin like they do, and whether we support that arbitrary pricing point enough to keep dumping money on them?[/QUOTE] And again I say, somebody doesn't understand the luxury goods market. If you want lower priced alternatives, they exist. But you're not going to find the same level of quality as most flagship phones, for obvious reasons. Yes, we can go on all day about how price gouging is bad, or how the free market is corrupt. But we're not going to, because I don't like debating idealist, utopian concepts. I'm a realist, and I think you should be too.
Fair enough. I think I've just let ideas brew in my head for a bit too long in silence.
I think it is a moot point discussing this hole debate. It really comes down to preference, every side has some pros which, boils down to what the indivudial prefers. Sure, stating your views is not wrong, but insulting eachother over something like this? Every company tries to make money, one way or the other, thats just business. Someone is always getting ripped off, if you want to look at it that way. But they made that choice, that's freedom, freedom to make decisions, and I respect that. We all know that, some try to force it down others, but humans are more influenced by reasonable arguments then flaming posts, so have some dignity and let it go.
[QUOTE=Coolboy;45957723]I think it is a moot point discussing this hole debate. It really comes down to preference, every side has some pros which, boils down to what the indivudial prefers. Sure, stating your views is not wrong, but insulting eachother over something like this? Every company tries to make money, one way or the other, thats just business. Someone is always getting ripped off, if you want to look at it that way. But they made that choice, that's freedom, freedom to make decisions, and I respect that. We all know that, some try to force it down others, but humans are more influenced by reasonable arguments then flaming posts, so have some dignity and let it go.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone was flaming outside of Hamsteronfire. Or at least I don't think so.
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