Performing CPR 10 to 15 minutes longer on cardiac arrest patients may be useful
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[QUOTE=Catdaemon;37561810]This is 100% bullshit, my mum is a qualified first aider, has insurance etc but says this is nonsense. You only need the insurance if you actually kill them by accident.[/QUOTE]
This is actually way more common in places like China or Russia, where helping anyone can easily lead to a lawsuit.
[QUOTE=Falchion;37561790]Paramedics and such are generally in good shape.[/QUOTE]
As goblin said, your wrists get all jacked up after -15 minutes
[QUOTE=Zambies!;37562609]As goblin said, your wrists get all jacked up after -15 minutes[/QUOTE]
Very true, I'm an EMT student and have had to do CPR for upwards of 20 minutes on actual patients a couple times, it's hell, nothing like a dummy. The feeling of busting their cartilage is bizarre to say the least.
I'm a First Responder with level "A" certification in CPR and I found this a very interesting read!
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37561302]I was under the impression they abandoned the practice of rescue breaths because it was redundant assuming the airway isn't obstructed.[/QUOTE]
Rescue Breaths are considered secondary. The primary goal is maintain circulation, if you can, rescue breaths are to be used.
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[QUOTE=Falchion;37561790]Paramedics and such are generally in good shape.[/QUOTE]
No, no they're not. I've seen some really out of shape EMS personnel.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37563708]Rescue Breaths are considered secondary. The primary goal is maintain circulation, if you can, rescue breaths are to be used.[/QUOTE]
Current guidelines are 30 compressions and two breaths.
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;37563742]Current guidelines are 30 compressions and two breaths.[/QUOTE]
This is assuming you can do them. Typically, I, and soon to be you, will usually always have a BVM ready.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37563757]This is assuming you can do them. Typically, I, and soon to be you, will usually always have a BVM ready.[/QUOTE]
Not sure why you wouldn't be able to. Heh I can't even imagine what kind of backwater service doesn't have a supply of BVMs, that'd pretty much be insanity. I've always got a rescue breather in my car regardless.
[QUOTE=areolop;37558645]Is there any news on the rescue breaths? I heard that they are moving toward not even doing them because keeping the HR going is far more beneficial.
Also CPR for 10 minutes is fucking hard to do. Its hard to do CPR for 2 minutes.[/QUOTE]
If you have at least 2 people working on it, you can take turns for 30 minutes easly.
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[QUOTE=Ereunity;37561310]Except here in the UK you are held accountable. As soon as you administer [i]any[/i] firstaid, even so much as a bandage, if they then drop dead you become liable for court action or prosecution.
It's why you see so few people helping in accidents. It's also part of the reasons why police officers won't jump into rivers to save lives.
Too much red tape in the country is costing us lives.[/QUOTE]
No Police officers don't jump into rivers to save lives because they have been trained to risk assess, It is better to have one person die than have two people die jumping in to rescue the people trapped in the water.
You are only held accountable if you say it would be fine and they are not and you are in a position of care or if you try to do something you are not trained to do saying you are. If you know how and when to do CPR you won't be held accountable if they end up dying, but if you are the official first aider and you don't, then you will be held accountable. You have been reading too much Daily Mail.
[QUOTE=alien_guy;37562359]I thought the people suffered brain damage after 10 minutes so it's not worth reviving them after that?[/QUOTE]
If not aided. Through CPR you're basically pumping their heart and breathing for them, as to prevent hypoxia. If there is blood still pumping to the brain, and that blood is oxygenated damage can still be prevented. In ANY case of hypoxia, not only due to cardiac arrest but also due to asphyxiation there is a chance brain injury may happen. You won't know if somebody is decerebrate right away, so the first step is to attempt revival first.
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