• Israel Creates 'No Man's Land' in Gaza, Shrinking Strip by 40%
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[QUOTE=Seith;45531557]Listen, just stop with that moronic argument because it has nothing to do with reality; Blockades have nothing to do directly with Hamas' decisions nor do they with the entire Palestinian population inside the Gaza Strip. We will not risk Israeli soldiers when we can use air-strikes it's simple, just as I said before, would you risk your own lives to save the lives of the people you're fighting at? Either way, people need to understand Hamas is a guerrilla terror group, it's unavoidable.[/QUOTE] That argument would make no fucking sense unless you're an Israeli nationalist. Israel is thinning down Gaza's food supply of course that impacts the population and Hamas. Not to mention the ground assault and bombings.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45531463]because us always votes for israel in everything and all of the european countries abstain from voting[/QUOTE] No, because Israel is the only reliable ally in the whole middle-east, the rest you just suck on oil from. Israel is the one that allows Muslim Arabs, that now vote against Israeli policy, to be ministers. While all other neighboring countries cut heads, fingers and throats aka Iraq, but when it's Muslims killing Muslims relentlessly and in the thousands in the past 6 months, it's fine.
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[QUOTE=Seith;45531577]No, because Israel is the only reliable ally in the whole middle-east, the rest you just suck on oil from. Israel is the one that allows Muslim Arabs, that now vote against Israeli policy, to be ministers. While all other neighboring countries cut heads, fingers and throats aka Iraq, but when it's Muslims killing Muslims relentlessly and in the thousands in the past 6 months, it's fine.[/QUOTE] "better than the rest" is a shitty argument especially when you're illegally occupying Palestinian territory, illegally blockading Palestine, illegally setting up religious settlements in Palestinian territory and using your military to impose your will upon neighbouring Palestinian territory. Not a good reason to support such a country especially when you preach "democracy and freedom".
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;45531486]hamas wants to keep firing rockets, the population of gaza put hamas into power. They can now deal with a 3km nomansland in their territory to stop the rockets from reaching Israel.[/QUOTE] That's like saying that east a Ukrainian citizens put the Rebels into power there and that they should be held responsible for the airliner shoot down and that they deserve to get bulldozed! It's absolutely bogus. You cannot justify wrongdoing against civilians by saying they must be supporting the armed forces based on their territory, EVEN if it was an official army coming out of a Democratic process. I am sorry to Godwin but that's literally like when fascists masacred and burnt down two Czech towns because they SUPPOSEDLY held a long range transmitter and helped a commando of paratroopers that killed Heidrich.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45531576]That argument would make no fucking sense unless you're an Israeli nationalist. Israel is thinning down Gaza's food supply of course that impacts the population and Hamas. Not to mention the ground assault and bombings.[/QUOTE] So from blockades you went on to Israel thinning food supplies and air-strikes? In this situation, which is Israel against a guerrilla terror group, you cannot avoid it.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531604]That's like saying that east a Ukrainian citizens put the Rebels into power there and that they should be held responsible for the airliner shoot down and that they deserve to get bulldozed! It's absolutely bogus. You cannot justify wrongdoing against civilians by saying they must be supporting the armed forces based on their territory, EVEN if it was an official army coming out of a Democratic process. I am sorry to Godwin but that's literally like when fascists masacred and burnt down two Czech towns because they SUPPOSEDLY held a long range transmitter and helped a commando of paratroopers that killed Heidrich.[/QUOTE] So then whats your solution to the issue, The people don't seem to mind Hamas firing rockets or being in power. Hamas won't settle till Israel is off the face of the earth. Israel won't settle till every hamas militant is dead.
[QUOTE=Seith;45531577]No, because Israel is the only reliable ally in the whole middle-east, the rest you just suck on oil from. Israel is the one that allows Muslim Arabs, that now vote against Israeli policy, to be ministers. While all other neighboring countries cut heads, fingers and throats aka Iraq, but when it's Muslims killing Muslims relentlessly and in the thousands in the past 6 months, it's fine.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1338709"]A reliable ally that sells US military secrets to China.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Seith;45531614]So from blockades you went on to Israel thinning food supplies and air-strikes? In this situation, which is Israel against a guerrilla terror group, you cannot avoid it.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211[/url] [t]http://www.renaissanceherbs.com.au/system/0000/0167/08_31_52_944_coriander_Medium_.jpg[/t] One of the many terrorist foods forbidden by the Israeli blockade. Unavoidable.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45531457]Maybe Israel should stop pushing Gaza's civilians to extremism via illegal blockades and the shelling of innocent civilians. [editline]28th July 2014[/editline] US ally.[/QUOTE] Maybe Hamas should stop firing rockets at innocent civillians? The faster Gaza is absorbed into Israel the faster they stop killing eachother
[QUOTE=download;45531633]Maybe Hamas should stop firing rockets at innocent civillians? The faster Gaza is absorbed into Israel the faster they stop killing eachother[/QUOTE] at this rate absorption of gaza won't happen until there's no more palestinians left to kill
[QUOTE=laserguided;45531600]"better than the rest" is a shitty argument especially when you're illegally occupying Palestinian territory, illegally blockading Palestine, illegally setting up religious settlements in Palestinian territory and using your military to impose your will upon neighbouring Palestinian territory. Not a good reason to support such a country especially when you preach "democracy and freedom".[/QUOTE] Would you support Hamas? Good ahead. Thick headed, high-moral fiber preach. Victimizing Palestinian as if they had and have no hand with Hamas. If they truly wanted peace, they would have had it a long time ago. Building tunnels with UN Gear and financial support, Gaza looks the same regardless of bombings for the past 9 years since we've withdrawn out of there. If their solution is shooting rockets at civilians, they can go ahead, it's a losing battle. We will do the dirty job for you, laserguided, protecting you.
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[QUOTE=Seith;45531661]Would you support Hamas? Good ahead. Thick headed, high-moral fiber preach. Victimizing Palestinian as if they had and have no hand with Hamas. If they truly wanted peace, they would have had it a long time ago. Building tunnels with UN Gear and financial support, Gaza looks the same regardless of bombings for the past 9 years since we've withdrawn out of there. If their solution is shooting rockets at civilians, they can go ahead, it's a losing battle. We will do the dirty job for you, laserguided, protecting you.[/QUOTE] you can be against israel's actions and not support hamas !
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;45531619]So then whats your solution to the issue, The people don't seem to mind Hamas firing rockets or being in power. Hamas won't settle till Israel is off the face of the earth. Israel won't settle till every hamas militant is dead.[/QUOTE] Israel has the money, influence, and support, to do it the clean way. Drop the absolutely preposterous embargos and limitations on things that aren't weapons, remove the absolutely ridiculous no fishing zone, and start actually policing the area. Install military presence in Gaza that won't shoot without asking questions, but will actually investigate and target the actual militants, not just "general area that may or may not contain some of them". Yes, it would cost more lives of Israeli soldiers and it would cost more money, but THAT'S WHY ISRAEL IS GETING BILLIONS IN SUPPORT. They should be expected to do better than erect a concentration camp the size of a small country.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45531632][url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211[/url] [t]http://www.renaissanceherbs.com.au/system/0000/0167/08_31_52_944_coriander_Medium_.jpg[/t] One of the many terrorist foods forbidden by the Israeli blockade. Unavoidable.[/QUOTE] Will Hamas provide the food then? Oh no I forgot, in the past 9 years they've spent their best efforts on building tunnels and shooting rockets. Thank god for the blockade then.
[QUOTE=Seith;45531683]Will Hamas provide the food then? Oh no I forgot, in the past 9 years they've spent their best efforts on building tunnels and shooting rockets. Thank god for the blockade then.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45531671]you can be against israel's actions and not support hamas ![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Seith;45531683]Will Hamas provide the food then? Oh no I forgot, in the past 9 years they've spent their best efforts on building tunnels and shooting rockets. Thank god for the blockade then.[/QUOTE] What country are you from you Israeli shill?
[QUOTE=Seith;45531661]Would you support Hamas? Good ahead. Thick headed, high-moral fiber preach. Victimizing Palestinian as if they had and have no hand with Hamas. If they truly wanted peace, they would have had it a long time ago. Building tunnels with UN Gear and financial support, Gaza looks the same regardless of bombings for the past 9 years since we've withdrawn out of there. If their solution is shooting rockets at civilians, they can go ahead, it's a losing battle. We will do the dirty job for you, laserguided, protecting you.[/QUOTE] Hamas offered a complete peace treaty a week or so ago with some conditions? None of the conditions were anything Israel couldn't fulfill. Why did Israel refuse that?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531674]Israel has the money, influence, and support, to do it the clean way. Drop the absolutely preposterous embargos and limitations on things that aren't weapons, remove the absolutely ridiculous no fishing zone, and start actually policing the area. Install military presence in Gaza that won't shoot without asking questions, but will actually investigate and target the actual militants, not just "general area that may or may not contain some of them". Yes, it would cost more lives of Israeli soldiers and it would cost more money, but THAT'S WHY ISRAEL IS GETING BILLIONS IN SUPPORT. They should be expected to do better than erect a concentration camp the size of a small country.[/QUOTE] Hamas. Guriella , terror group. Risk our own soldiers on a constant basis with a group of people they do not want peace, nor will stop at anything even their own civillans. great idea. War tactician. People think there's right and wrong in war, that peace is some game you just say I do this and you do that and that's it, jobs done. No. It's ugly, and this is how its going to work in this situation.
[QUOTE=Seith;45531708]Hamas. Guriella , terror group. Risk our own soldiers on a constant basis with a group of people they do not want peace, nor will stop at anything even their own civillans. great idea. War tactician. People think there's right and wrong in war, that peace is some game you just say I do this and you do that and that's it, jobs done. No. It's ugly, and this is how its going to work in this situation.[/QUOTE] :v: get a load of this. If right and wrong didn't exist in war, why the fuck does an international war crimes tribunal exist, huh? you tell me that.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531697]Hamas offered a complete peace treaty a week or so ago with some conditions? None of the conditions were anything Israel couldn't fulfill. Why did Israel refuse that?[/QUOTE] There's been so many cease-fires, peace treats i really can't keep up. Israel has a few things they will never let go for stratigical and religious reasons so that's probably why. also, hamas always wants what Israel doesn't want to give up. That's their purpose, winning on israel , not peace. It's not a matter of can or cannot fulfill, but rather want or not, because we can give all of Israel but it would be the best of ideas, would it ? [editline]29th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45531716]:v: get a load of this. If right and wrong didn't exist in war, why the fuck does an international war crimes tribunal exist, huh? you tell me that.[/QUOTE] Are Hamas playing by these rules? should we be almighty , moral fibers pricks and stand aside while civilians die and let Hamas be because of international war crimes ??????? nobody wants their own soldiers die for the sake of the ones they are fighting at. grow up for fucks sake.
[QUOTE=Seith;45531708]Hamas. Guriella , terror group. Risk our own soldiers on a constant basis with a group of people they do not want peace, nor will stop at anything even their own civillans. great idea. War tactician. People think there's right and wrong in war, that peace is some game you just say I do this and you do that and that's it, jobs done. No. It's ugly, and this is how its going to work in this situation.[/QUOTE] You are acting like EVERY Gazan supports, or is part of Hamas. No, they are not. Every single Gazan life is AS valuable as life of any single Israeli, and they are none less deserving of security than Israelis, and none more deserving of punishment unless [B]PERSONALLY PROVEN[/B] otherwise.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45531689]What country are you from you Israeli shill?[/QUOTE] israel
[QUOTE=Seith;45531723]There's been so many cease-fires, peace treats i really can't keep up. Israel has a few things they will never let go for stratigical and religious reasons so that's probably why. [/QUOTE] WELL WELL WELL, LOOKS LIKE WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE HERE, maybe we shouldn't support a band of people who besiege a neighbor and refuse to back off for [B]religious reasons[/B]
[quote]Are Hamas playing by these rules? should we be almighty , moral fibers pricks and stand aside while civilians die and let Hamas be because of international war crimes ??????? nobody wants their own soldiers die for the sake of the ones they are fighting at. grow up for fucks sake.[/quote] And killing Gazan civilians is going to help matters resolve themselves somehow? Total war is never a solution to problems unless the last extreme is reached.
[QUOTE=Seith;45531723] Are Hamas playing by these rules? should we be almighty , moral fibers pricks and stand aside while civilians die and let Hamas be because of international war crimes ??????? nobody wants their own soldiers die for the sake of the ones they are fighting at. grow up for fucks sake.[/QUOTE] You cannot equate a civilian life for a life of a soldier. For one, soldier can, and will, defend themselves, through training, technology, and organization. Fighting is their job.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531732]You are acting like EVERY Gazan supports, or is part of Hamas. No, they are not. Every single Gazan life is AS valuable as life of any single Israeli, and they are none less deserving of security than Israelis, and none more deserving of punishment unless [B]PERSONALLY PROVEN[/B] otherwise.[/QUOTE] it's unavoidable, and with that said, we do our best to secure civillans like cancelling air strikes, warning shots and leaflets and yet we want to preserve israeli soldiers of course. it us or them, we can't just stand by . that's the result of war. unavoidable. Israeli, gazan, I'm fighting for the people of Israel and those whom I care about the most. Would you let you own die for the sake of the people you are fighting at? and it also doesn't matter whether its 30%, 10% of gazan supporters, the point is hamas is in power because the people want it and not because israel blockades because they know for a fact what hamas actions result in ; destruction. for that same reason, if they want peace, they know how to do it. hamas is a group, population, civilians are standing by in the millions saying we are powerless. bullshit. Look at syria, egypt, they all retaliated and it results whatever they may be came.... we do what is necessary, dirty as it may be, that's reality. [editline]29th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531740]WELL WELL WELL, LOOKS LIKE WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE HERE, maybe we shouldn't support a band of people who besiege a neighbor and refuse to back off for [B]religious reasons[/B][/QUOTE] both Hamas aka Palestinians and Israel are religious, you can't stop a country that's based on religion to just stop being the way it is. this is just so childish. you got any real suggestion or are you just lucid dreaming here?
[quote]like cancelling air strikes, warning shots and leaflets and yet we want to preserve israeli soldiers of course. it us or them, we can't just stand by .[/quote] The same warnings like two minutes or two hours before you launch an air strike? Good joke. [quote]for that same reason, if they want peace, they know how to do it. hamas is a group, population, civilians are standing by in the millions saying we are powerless. bullshit.[/quote] The terrorists have guns and weapons. The average civilian is going to be afraid of those weapons enough that they feel they can't do anything about their situation. Or don't you get that much?
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45531746]And killing Gazan civilians is going to help matters resolve themselves somehow? Total war is never a solution to problems unless the last extreme is reached.[/QUOTE] last extreme had been reached. read up. and it's not about extreme, that's the choice israel has to do to protect her civilians. end of story
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