• Israel Creates 'No Man's Land' in Gaza, Shrinking Strip by 40%
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[QUOTE=Seith;45531753]it's unavoidable, and with that said, we do our best to secure civillans like cancelling air strikes, warning shots and leaflets and yet we want to preserve israeli soldiers of course. it us or them, we can't just stand by . that's the result of war. unavoidable. Israeli, gazan, I'm fighting for the people of Israel and those whom I care about the most. Would you let you own die for the sake of the people you are fighting at? and it also doesn't matter whether its 30%, 10% of gazan supporters, the point is hamas is in power because the people want it and not because israel blockades because they know for a fact what hamas actions result in ; destruction. for that same reason, if they want peace, they know how to do it. hamas is a group, population, civilians are standing by in the millions saying we are powerless. bullshit. Look at syria, egypt, they all retaliated and it results whatever they may be came.... we do what is necessary, dirty as it may be, that's reality. [editline]29th July 2014[/editline] both Hamas aka Palestinians and Israel are religious, you can't stop a country that's based on religion to just stop being the way it is. this is just so childish. you got any real suggestion or are you just lucid dreaming here?[/QUOTE] You can't expect people who lived decades in a siege to stop [I]at least[/I] tolerating somebody of their ethnicity and their religion and claims to be fighting on their side and instead go and cooperate with somebody who made it very very clear he hates them and wants them gone. That's basic fucking psychology. You want impossible from these people.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45531768]The same warnings like two minutes or two hours before you launch an air strike? Good joke. The terrorists have guns and weapons. The average civilian is going to be afraid of those weapons enough that they feel they can't do anything about their situation. Or don't you get that much?[/QUOTE] i wonder why people in syria and egypt weren't afriad to face an ARMY ????? hamas is a group, people in egypt for example resisted and army and were killed in the hundreds. stop victimizing the people of gaza.
[QUOTE=Seith;45531769]last extreme had been reached. read up. and it's not about extreme, that's the choice israel has to do to protect her civilians. end of story[/QUOTE] I choose the extreme of removing Israel from the area. It would save so many lives in the years to come, it's obviously totally justified! [editline]29th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Seith;45531777]i wonder why people in syria and egypt weren't afriad to face an ARMY ????? hamas is a group, people in egypt for example resisted and army and were killed in the hundreds. stop victimizing the people of gaza.[/QUOTE] Gosh it worked out fucking well for both of these, didn't it? Besides, in both cases, the army was NOT part of their religion and ethnicity, they were the OTHER guys. Like Israel in this case, not Hamas.
[QUOTE=Seith;45531777]i wonder why people in syria and egypt weren't afriad to face an ARMY ????? hamas is a group, people in egypt for example resisted and army and were killed in the hundreds. stop victimizing the people of gaza.[/QUOTE] How do you expect it to happen, though? it isn't so simple as to say 'Intrafada now' and then go after known terrorists. Or does 'every man for himself' sound so foreign to you? Revolutions don't happen at the drop of a hat, no matter how festering the situation. Something has to happen for the civilians to be pushed over the edge enough that they overcome their fear of resisting the terrorists among them.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531773]You can't expect people who lived decades in a siege to stop [I]at least[/I] tolerating somebody of their ethnicity and their religion and claims to be fighting on their side and instead go and cooperate with somebody who made it very very clear he hates them and wants them gone. That's basic fucking psychology. You want impossible from these people.[/QUOTE] i want peace, they don't shoot we don't shoot back. when hamas is broken down the people of gaza will be free. even if i point a gun to your head, you have a choice either to rat out or die. you don't have to tell me anything. that's basic fucking psychology. they don't want peace... do i really have to go back to the past and mention constant wars, peace treats, cease fires that were never honored and how much land we had given up for peace? point one thing Palestinians did willingly for peace, a sacrifice. just one. i will not apologize or explain israeli actions any more. grow up, it's so tiresome. it's a war against a guerrilla terror group. [editline]29th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45531786]How do you expect it to happen, though? it isn't so simple as to say 'Intrafada now' and then go after known terrorists. Or does 'every man for himself' sound so foreign to you? Revolutions don't happen at the drop of a hat, no matter how festering the situation. Something has to happen for the civilians to be pushed over the edge enough that they overcome their fear of resisting the terrorists among them.[/QUOTE] do you expect me to give you an answer on how to rebel upon a terror group, seriously? we just do what we have to to protect civilians. that simple.
[QUOTE=Seith;45531792]i want peace, they don't shoot we don't shoot back. when hamas is broken down the people of gaza will be free. even if i point a gun to your head, you have a choice either to rat out or die. you don't have to tell me anything. that's basic fucking psychology. they don't want peace... do i really have to go back to the past and mention constant wars, peace treats, cease fires that were never honored and how much land we had given up for peace? point one thing Palestinians did willingly for peace, a sacrifice. just one. i will not apologize or explain israeli actions any more. grow up, it's so tiresome. it's a war against a guerrilla terror group.[/QUOTE] Stop telling people to grow up. You are as biased as it gets. Just stop. Nobody is going to take you more seriously.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531779]I choose the extreme of removing Israel from the area. It would save so many lives in the years to come, it's obviously totally justified! [editline]29th July 2014[/editline] Gosh it worked out fucking well for both of these, didn't it? Besides, in both cases, the army was NOT part of their religion and ethnicity, they were the OTHER guys. Like Israel in this case, not Hamas.[/QUOTE] victimizing is better than. rather not try at all. in both cases, army is a part of the country which serves religion. it doesn't matter which guys they were, it was a group of people rebelling against a tyranny. same with hamas. [editline]29th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531802]Stop telling people to grow up. You are as biased as it gets. Just stop. Nobody is going to take you more seriously.[/QUOTE] i don't need anyone to take me seriously, i don't need to be right with you or anybody else my whole point is to show you a different perspective, and for all i see, you're just as biased as me.... walk my shoes and we'll see then how your brain works.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;45531002]By saying stuff like this, you make it sound like Israel should never have pulled out of the Gaza strip.[/QUOTE] Israel should have never set foot in the gaza strip to begin with.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45531823]Israel should have never set foot in the gaza strip to begin with.[/QUOTE] ex post facto appreciate it, great suggestions lets time travel [editline]29th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;45531838]PKK is a guerilla,terror group. Turkey risks its own soldiers to protect the civilian populace, both Kurd and Turk, all the time. And now, theres peace. Because our strong, democratic government decided to do so. So can Israel do these same things, but they dont.[/QUOTE] we do not ?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531604]That's like saying that east a Ukrainian citizens put the Rebels into power there and that they should be held responsible for the airliner shoot down and that they deserve to get bulldozed! It's absolutely bogus. You cannot justify wrongdoing against civilians by saying they must be supporting the armed forces based on their territory, EVEN if it was an official army coming out of a Democratic process. I am sorry to Godwin but that's literally like when fascists masacred and burnt down two Czech towns because they SUPPOSEDLY held a long range transmitter and helped a commando of paratroopers that killed Heidrich.[/QUOTE] Last I checked they didn't vote the Ukrainian rebels into power as their official representation, useless comparison.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45531697]Hamas offered a complete peace treaty a week or so ago with some conditions? None of the conditions were anything Israel couldn't fulfill. Why did Israel refuse that?[/QUOTE] Because Hamas kept shooting rockets at them. That's why.
[QUOTE=Seith;45531844]ex post facto appreciate it, great suggestions lets time travel[/QUOTE] Your terrible decision remains a terrible decision even after you've carried it through. You don't become magically immune to criticism after you've done something immensely stupid just because you can no longer change what you've done. Also last time I checked the shit Israeli government relies a ton on dismissing all criticism based on what people did in the past so I don't see why we should ignore their actions either.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45531907]Your terrible decision remains a terrible decision even after you've carried it through. You don't become magically immune to criticism after you've done something immensely stupid just because you can no longer change what you've done. Also last time I checked the shit Israeli government relies a ton on dismissing all criticism based on what people did in the past so I don't see why we should ignore their actions either.[/QUOTE] did i not take responsibility and explain why we do what we do ? [editline]29th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;45531854]Great, lets just say whats done is done and never care about it anymore. And you just said that Israel doesnt risk its own soldiers when it can do airstrikes, right?[/QUOTE] we would prefer it over soldiers of course, but in the end.... reality speaks otherwise
israeli troops are already being engaged inside of gaza.
Last time I checked, acquisition of land by force is forbidden by the geneva conventions..
[QUOTE=lapsus_;45532010]Last time I checked, acquisition of land by force is forbidden by the geneva conventions..[/QUOTE] But but holocaust though
[QUOTE=lapsus_;45532010]Last time I checked, acquisition of land by force is forbidden by the geneva conventions..[/QUOTE] Where the hell do people keep getting this from? The Geneva Conventions only cover the treatment of POWs and Civilians in war. People just seem to think that because a country is doing something they don't like it must be illegal under muh Geneva Conventions. [QUOTE=Trebgarta;45531930]Sorry, I didnt get this. Doesnt peace override that? I mean, peace treaty means peace, and since Hamas offered it, itd mean if accpeted, Hamas would make peace so, rocekts would stop. right? If I got this right, then thats: "Accept this and well stop shooting rockets at you." "We cant because youre shooting rockets at us!" .[/QUOTE] A ceasefire was declared so they can work this out, fighting stopped, while they were trying to figure this out Hamas resumed firing missiles at Israeli civilians.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;45532010]Last time I checked, acquisition of land by force is forbidden by the geneva conventions..[/QUOTE] And so is using human shields and white phosphorus, doesn't do much to stop them being used though.
I'm 100% sure that the criticsm from Europe and the US will only start flowing in once the gaza strip is fully part of Israel.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45532029]But but holocaust though[/QUOTE] what does this even mean
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45532098]what does this even mean[/QUOTE] Israel was literally created as a compensation for the holocaust, and the current government regularly calls people racist/antisemite when they criticize their constant dickmoves against humanity.
[video=youtube;VVh0qCc_AR0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVh0qCc_AR0[/video]
[QUOTE=laserguided;45531600]"better than the rest" is a shitty argument especially when you're illegally occupying Palestinian territory, illegally blockading Palestine, illegally setting up religious settlements in Palestinian territory and using your military to impose your will upon neighbouring Palestinian territory. Not a good reason to support such a country especially when you preach "democracy and freedom".[/QUOTE] And yet you continue to support the Russians and their proxy insurgents in the Ukraine without issue on the grounds that they're better than the Ukrainian government when it comes to their political stances. How does it not physically hurt you to be so full of shit?
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45532118]Israel was literally created as a compensation for the holocaust, and the current government regularly calls people racist/antisemite when they criticize their constant dickmoves against humanity.[/QUOTE] are you sure about that i heard there had been plans to create israel for decades before hitler even got into power
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45532118]Israel was literally created as a compensation for the holocaust, and the current government regularly calls people racist/antisemite when they criticize their constant dickmoves against humanity.[/QUOTE] Compensation for the holocaust? really? god is this even a discussion or 4chan
[QUOTE=download;45532055]Where the hell do people keep getting this from? The Geneva Conventions only cover the treatment of POWs and Civilians in war. People just seem to think that because a country is doing something they don't like it must be illegal under muh Geneva Conventions[/QUOTE] It's a convenient buzz argument that takes advantage of the fact that most people are aware of the existence of the Geneva Conventions but have no fucking idea what they're actually supposed to do, other than establish, in their minds, some vague framework for civilized humanitarian/peaceful conduct amongst people and nations.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45532166]are you sure about that i heard there had been plans to create israel for decades before hitler even got into power[/QUOTE] There was an organisation formed in the late 1800 with the intention of buying enough land in Palestine to succeed and for their own country. To this day the organisation still owns something like 5-10% of Israel's land mass. [b]Edit:[/b] They're called the Jewish National Fund who were founded in 1901. At the moment they own about 13% of Israel.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5Q7yuaXjM[/url]
[QUOTE=lapsus_;45532010]Last time I checked, acquisition of land by force is forbidden by the geneva conventions..[/QUOTE] A law is only worth something if someone enforces it
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45532059]And so is using human shields and white phosphorus, doesn't do much to stop them being used though.[/QUOTE] White phosphorus isn't banned you know right? As a smoke agent it is among the best, as well as being a illuminator, it is just illegal to use non line of sight incendiary weapons however so you are not supposed fire it on a target directly.
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