• NSW bill to ban unvaccinated kids from preschools and childcare centres.
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;40697216]bit of a jump from "stay at home" to "ROUND EM UP INTO WORK CAMPS"[/QUOTE] Staying at home isn't enough. They're still out with the general population. They're still going to restaurants, the mall, the movies, sporting events, they're probably still hanging around other children, which will hang out with my children. They are a public health risk.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697226]"stay at home forever because you're doing something i think is wrong"[/QUOTE] cool thats not what a concentration camp is tho
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40697232]cool thats not what a concentration camp is tho[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Daniel M;40697231]Staying at home isn't enough. They're still out with the general population. They're still going to restaurants, the mall, the movies, sporting events, they're probably still hanging around other children, which will hang out with my children. They are a public health risk.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40697231]Staying at home isn't enough. They're still out with the general population. They're still going to restaurants, the mall, the movies, sporting events, they're probably still hanging around other children, which will hang out with my children. They are a public health risk.[/QUOTE] o christ he actually guessed right?? jesus christ sorry lrod of ears i didnt think anyone could be this ridiculous
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697193]lol you're actually supporting concentration camps[/QUOTE] Because "get your kid vaccinated so he won't get anyone else sick" is totally the same as going "Kill the fuckers"
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697226]"stay at home forever because you're doing something i think is wrong"[/QUOTE] They're basing their beliefs on misinformation and religious beliefs, which have no place in modern civilization. Don't bullshit your way around it by saying [b]"OH IT'S THEIR BELIEFS"[/b] Their beliefs are wrong and founded upon lies and myths.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;40697236]Because "get your kid vaccinated so he won't get anyone else sick" is totally the same as going "Kill the fuckers"[/QUOTE] since when does concentration camp = death camp [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Daniel M;40697238]They're basing their beliefs on misinformation and religious beliefs, which have no place in modern civilization. Don't bullshit your way around it by saying [b]"OH IT'S THEIR BELIEFS[/b] their beliefs are wrong.[/QUOTE] oh well, it's not your place to decide
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697239]since when does concentration camp = death camp [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] oh well, it's not your place to decide[/QUOTE] Yeah, it is my place to decide because I am a citizen of the free world and I don't want to subject myself and my wife and my children to a bunch of fucking retards who think that vaccinations are more dangerous than the viruses that vaccinations fight against.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697239] oh well, it's not your place to decide[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Opposition health spokesman Andrew McDonald said current immunisation rates were so low in NSW that epidemics of diseases like whooping cough and measles were inevitable. [/QUOTE] Totally not an issue that shouldn't be ignored.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40697248]Yeah, it is my place to decide because I am a citizen of the free world and I don't want to subject myself and my wife and my children to a bunch of fucking retards who think that vaccinations are more dangerous than the viruses that vaccinations fight against.[/QUOTE] and those people who choose not to vaccinate their children are also citizens of the free world [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Durrsly;40697251]Totally not an issue that shouldn't be ignored.[/QUOTE] when did i say to ignore it? i just think daniel m's views are fucking retarded
[QUOTE=Durrsly;40697251]Totally not an issue that shouldn't be ignored.[/QUOTE] Jesus. Yeah, Lord Ears, you are defending a bunch of conspiracy theorists and religious zealots that are condemning their kids to die due to their own beliefs. I am not exaggerating, these are conditions that KILL children and I wouldn't trust these parents to take them to the hospital once they see symptoms because it's abundantly clear that these parents don't care about their children's lives anyways.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697252] when did i say to ignore it? i just think daniel m's views are fucking retarded[/QUOTE] How are his views retarded when you are saying we should let kids be at a risk of catching diseases that are very harmful.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40697260]Jesus. Yeah, Lord Ears, you are defending a bunch of conspiracy theorists and religious zealots that are condemning their kids to die due to their own beliefs.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Durrsly;40697261]you are saying we should let kids be at a risk of catching diseases that are very harmful.[/QUOTE] i'd like an exact quote
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697267]i'd like an exact quote[/QUOTE] I'd say any of the parts where you compare vaccinations to work camps.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697252]and those people who choose not to vaccinate their children are also citizens of the free world [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] when did i say to ignore it? i just think daniel m's views are fucking retarded[/QUOTE] I think you're the most ridiculous person I've ever encountered on Facepunch and that's quite an accomplishment. You act like you're right but you're wrong. How can you even defend these people? They are putting innocent children's lives at risk because of their personal beliefs, founded upon misinformation and religion (myths). [b]THAT'S CHILD ABUSE BY DEFINITION[/b] the physical or emotional or sexual mistreatment of children.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;40697273]I'd say any of the parts where you compare vaccinations to work camps.[/QUOTE] well for starters i never compared vaccinations to concentration camps vaccinations are great but you can go fuck yourself if you think people deserve to be stuck in a camp for not doing them [editline]19th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Daniel M;40697275]I think you're the most ridiculous person I've ever encountered on Facepunch and that's quite an accomplishment. You act like you're right but you're wrong. How can you even defend these people? They are putting innocent children's lives at risk because of their personal beliefs, founded upon misinformation and religion (myths). [B]THAT'S CHILD ABUSE BY DEFINITION[/B] the physical or emotional or sexual mistreatment of children.[/QUOTE] i am not defending anyone i am saying your desires to stick people in camps are those of sick whimsy
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697289]well for starters i never compared vaccinations to concentration camps vaccinations are great but you can go fuck yourself if you think people deserve to be stuck in a camp for not doing them[/QUOTE] I was being facetious by agreeing with you like "yeah totally we should do that :rollseyes:". I just think they should be thrown in prison for child abuse and that's pretty much it. We'll vaccinate the kids one way or the other.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40697296]I was being facetious by agreeing with you like "yeah totally we should do that :rollseyes:"[/QUOTE] no you weren't
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697299]no you weren't[/QUOTE] Alright, I'll tell you what I think. These people are fanatics. Some kids would rather let their children die than give them required vaccinations due to the "alternative medicine craze" or "religious and personal beliefs" which I have pointed out are founded upon myths and misinformation. Take their kids away. Throw them in prison. Hold them in the same regard as the sick fucks that abuse children because this is no different. When you inseminate a woman or you pop a human out of your vagina and you call yourself a mother or a father, you take up certain responsibilities and one of those responsibilities is keeping your child safe and well. These parents are neglecting that responsibility,therefore neglecting their children and most importantly, their health. I don't care about your personal or religious ideals, you took that upon yourself when you became a parent. For these people? I hold them in the same regard as child molesters and child abusers. Even worse I'd say because you're risking the life of your son or daughter because of what YOU believe. I'd actually say they're worse than child molesters and child abusers because at least if you rape or beat your daughter, she'll be alive. Can't say the same if she gets polio/whooping cough/smallpox/measles/dozens of life threatening diseases. For those people, if there is a hell and unfortunately there probably isn't (meaning these people will go unpunished for the most part), I hope there's a special place for them.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697289]well for starters i never compared vaccinations to concentration camps vaccinations are great but you can go fuck yourself if you think people deserve to be stuck in a camp for not doing them [/QUOTE] Okay, so you think it's okay to compare letting children go without horrid disease is the same as a work camp.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;40697330]Okay, so you think it's okay to compare letting children go without horrid disease is the same as a work camp.[/QUOTE] i'm not comparing shit, daniel m literally thinks it's okay to set up concentration camps for people who don't vaccinate
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697338]i'm not comparing shit, daniel m literally thinks it's okay to set up concentration camps for people who don't vaccinate[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697267]i'd like an exact quote[/QUOTE]
i can't discern the point of that post i still haven't gotten an exact quote where i'm defending people who don't vaccinate
As a mother of two children diagnosed with autism (it was an internet diagnosis), I can personally attest to the deleterious effects of vaccinations. Every day my son Christian suffers not one but several autism attacks, and it's become increasingly difficult for us to live. I can only pray that people would see that there are downsides to vaccinations, instead of blindly advocating their use. Currently my son is receiving cognitive therapy that aims to improve his musical intelligence and social intelligence so that they may better compliment his already advanced spacial-awareness (think Lego-building intelligence). - Christine from New York [IMG]http://l.yimg.com/dg/users/1Ha3LumBIAAEC1AOWkbO5BwyRoewE.medium.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697358]i can't discern the point of that post i still haven't gotten an exact quote where i'm defending people who don't vaccinate[/QUOTE] You're arguing with me. I'd certainly say that qualifies as "defending people who don't vaccinate" Also you posted "stay at home forever because you're doing something i think is wrong" Personal beliefs stop being personal when another living thing's life is at stake.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40697373]You're arguing with me. I'd certainly say that qualifies as "defending people who don't vaccinate"[/QUOTE] well that's pretty arrogant, honestly i find it incredibly easy to argue with someone who supports concentration camps
This is okay.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697384]well that's pretty arrogant, honestly i find it incredibly easy to argue with someone who supports concentration camps[/QUOTE] I find it it incredibly easy to argue with someone who is wrong.
If this was a subject that had an effect only on a single child, I would probably have defended the rights of the parents. Like the kid a few months ago who died because the parents didn't take him/her to the hospital and instead relied on alternative means. I am all for prosecuting the parents afterwards in that case and if you can prove negligence and abuse even before something happens to the kid, but it is still their kid and their choice. However when it comes to vaccines there is so much at stake. While vaccines do protect the individual their main strength comes from mass use. In order to protect those who are unable to tolerate vaccines or have very weak immune systems the whole population has to be immunised. Plus the more people remain un-vaccinated the more of a reservoir the disease has to fall back on, so eradication becomes impossible. Whenever your actions are putting more than yourself or more than just your kid at stake it is no longer an issue of personal freedoms, because it is no longer a personal issue.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697358]i can't discern the point of that post i still haven't gotten an exact quote where i'm defending people who don't vaccinate[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697093]yeah let's take all those gross [i]sickies[/i] and just stick them in a camp somewhere[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697178]oh fucking well, a sick kid isn't the end of the world[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697207]there hasn't been a polio outbreak in the US since 1979, and that was among an amish community[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697226]"stay at home forever because you're doing something i think is wrong"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;40697239] oh well, it's not your place to decide[/QUOTE]
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