NSW bill to ban unvaccinated kids from preschools and childcare centres.
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[QUOTE=Daniel M;40697060]Good. If people want to leave their kids open to disease, they shouldn't be in a public place. Honestly I think these kids, and adults that do not have their immunizations should be quarantined similar to how we treated the plague.[/QUOTE]
good to know people think i should be put in a concentration camp and be alienated from society for something i didn't have a choice in up until now - legally becoming a functioning adult
thanks guys, I feel good about the world today!
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[QUOTE=Daniel M;40697184]These vaccinations should be mandatory. Not providing them to your child is and should be legally classified as child abuse [B]REGARDLESS[/B] of personal or religious beliefs.
There are exceptions, like being allergic to the aforementioned vaccinations but anyone else, medicate your goddamn kids or be prepared to either hand them over to[B] Child Protective Services and go to prison[/B].[/QUOTE]
I cannot believe the shit I am reading in this thread.
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I like how people think being a child in CPS is no big deal and being torn away from your parents isn't absolutely fucking traumatizing.
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I like how people think being a child in CPS is no big deal and being torn away from your parents isn't absolutely fucking traumatizing.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I think vaccines should be mandatory, but some of the things people are posting are just ridiculous and over-dramatic.
"This kid's parents are ignorant and he might catch the flu. Let's destroy his life and take him from his family before it's too late."
this can only do good, anti-vacciners are stupid
I hope this passes. Although there are some vaccines that are required to get before secondary school/postsecondary like meningitis and tetanus
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;40702472]good to know people think i should be put in a concentration camp and be alienated from society for something i didn't have a choice in up until now - legally becoming a functioning adult
thanks guys, I feel good about the world today!
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I cannot believe the shit I am reading in this thread.
[editline]19th May 2013[/editline]
I like how people think being a child in CPS is no big deal and being torn away from your parents isn't absolutely fucking traumatizing.[/QUOTE]
Being in CPS is better than being dead / being responsible for other peoples deaths.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;40704680]Being in CPS is better than being dead / being responsible for other peoples deaths.[/QUOTE]
We should separate families over the almost non-existent chance of them causing someone to die?
[QUOTE=Onion836;40704989]We should separate families over the almost non-existent chance of them causing someone to die?[/QUOTE]
because its not a non-existent chance, its a very large chance. the anti-vaxers have caused hundreds of deaths due to ignorance, places with high amounts of anti-vaxers are also having massive outbreaks of these easily prevented diseases which are difficult to treat, and are actually still fatal
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the reason why these diseases are treated with vaccines is because they were traditionally very fatal, and the easiest way to treat it is preventing it.
[QUOTE=Onion836;40704989]We should separate families over the almost non-existent chance of them causing someone to die?[/QUOTE]
Not saying we should separate families but if a child is not vaccinated for these diseases they will resurface or get infected when they are older and cause severe problems in their later life e.g. shingles which is quite a terrible outcome for an adult as the virus hides in your neurons and may remain there for a long time. That person may then infect other adults and all because his or her parent didn't vaccinate.
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I like how people think being a child in CPS is no big deal and being torn away from your parents isn't absolutely fucking traumatizing.[/QUOTE]
It's better than a neglecting parent that doesn't care about whether their well being.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40705721]It's better than a neglecting parent that doesn't care about whether their well being.[/QUOTE]
And how are you positive about this? Most parents which avoid shots do it out of [B]fear of their child getting ill/diseases from the vaccination[/B]. It's not they don't care, it's actually the complete opposite. They don't want their child to get some screwed up disease because of a chance of a botched treatment.
What you are advocating is that we actually waste the little resources that CPS has on these crap calls of parents supposedly "abusing tha childrun!" when as said before, the parents in realityville are actually worried about the well being of their children.
we should create a national registry for children and log if they get vaccinations or not... and if they dont we should have the cops show up and throw the parents in jail (life term or death if possible, since this is the worst order of child abuse), take the children off to an orphanage and forcibly vaccinate them and then hand them out to capable parents
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40707467]And how are you positive about this? Most parents which avoid shots do it out of [B]fear of their child getting ill/diseases from the vaccination[/B]. It's not they don't care, it's actually the complete opposite. They don't want their child to get some screwed up disease because of a chance of a botched treatment.
What you are advocating is that we actually waste the little resources that CPS has on these crap calls of parents supposedly "abusing tha childrun!" when as said before, the parents in realityville are actually worried about the well being of their children.[/QUOTE]
Well they're fucking idiots for thinking that and if they honestly believe that not vaccinating their kids is safer than actually doing it, they're not fit for parenthood. Take the kids away. At least they won't have a bunch of retards raising them in foster care.
Good, it's so easy and painless to get vaccinated. Kids will get over it if they are scared. This saves lives people, and if you think vaccinations give people autism you are fucking retarded. I am not joking, you should seriously just take a look at what you believe and re-read all of these things that literally tell you that you are completely wrong.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40707606]Well they're fucking idiots for thinking that and if they honestly believe that not vaccinating their kids is safer than actually doing it, they're not fit for parenthood. Take the kids away. At least they won't have a bunch of retards raising them in foster care.[/QUOTE]
There are idiotic and undeserving foster parents too. They're just as mixed a bag as the regular kind. I speak from 9 years of experience.
[QUOTE=helpiminabox;40707657]There are idiotic and undeserving foster parents too. They're just as mixed a bag as the regular kind. I speak from 9 years of experience.[/QUOTE]
Well at least they (most likely) won't be child abusers.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40707673]Well at least they (most likely) won't be child abusers.[/QUOTE]
Had one of those too.
Thank god just the one.
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;40702472]good to know people think i should be put in a concentration camp and be alienated from society for something i didn't have a choice in up until now - legally becoming a functioning adult
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I never wanted to blame the child. I want to blame the parents who neglect their children and put the health of not only their own children, but also the general population at risk.
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[QUOTE=helpiminabox;40707684]Had one of those too.[/QUOTE]
You got unlucky, but at least you got vaccinated (I'm assuming).
at least your foster parents cared enough to vaccinate you ! unlike some kids who have to deal with not getting vaccinated, consider yourself lucky!
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40707694]You got unlucky, but at least you got vaccinated (I'm assuming).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, totally worth the years of therapy, psychiatry, the inability to stay in crowds larger than, say, a birthday party without having an anxiety attack, and general lack of trust.
[QUOTE=helpiminabox;40707783]Yeah, totally worth the years of therapy, psychiatry, the inability to stay in crowds larger than, say, a birthday party without having an anxiety attack, and general lack of trust.[/QUOTE]
I know getting put in foster care is a bad hand in life on its own but getting bad foster parents is terrible. I am genuinely sorry about that and I wish you well in all your future endeavors but I still have to support the foster care system.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40707852]I know getting put in foster care is a bad hand in life on its own but getting bad foster parents is terrible. I am genuinely sorry about that and I wish you well in all your future endeavors but I still have to support the foster care system.[/QUOTE]
Well I suppose this is a lot like something I once read (and I don't recall where I read it so I'm paraphrasing possibly, I'd be happy if someone found it) that asked if you would have a utopia if the cost was someone (it may have been a group or nationality or something along those lines) suffering for their entire life? Obviously on a much smaller scale.
Now, as one out of hundreds in just the last place I was at before I left the system who fall along the suffering side of that question, I'd have to say putting children in the foster care system simply for not being vaccinated is a horrible idea. I know that my case isn't the majority, but it's not uncommon either. The only reason something like that should happen is if the child is being abused and there's no one willing to raise the child that the child feels comfortable with. Basically, as the last choice.
I don't want another me coming out of the system, I've met too many in it.
Edit: It's hard to write this stuff and I'm feeling really depressed just thinking about it so I'm stopping here.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40707467]And how are you positive about this? Most parents which avoid shots do it out of [B]fear of their child getting ill/diseases from the vaccination[/B]. It's not they don't care, it's actually the complete opposite. They don't want their child to get some screwed up disease because of a chance of a botched treatment.
What you are advocating is that we actually waste the little resources that CPS has on these crap calls of parents supposedly "abusing tha childrun!" when as said before, the parents in realityville are actually worried about the well being of their children.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they're fucking ignorant and terrible parents disguised as caring parents. If they really cared so much they wouldn't believe those bullshit studies and mouth to mouth stories about kids getting autism from vaccines. Just because they think they're doing what is in the best interest of their kid, doesn't mean they're good parents nor that their actions are justifiable.
[QUOTE=download;40697185]Unvaccinated children provide a location for the diseases to evolve and overcome vaccinations. The more people vaccinated the less chance of the disease evolving into something new and worse[/QUOTE]
That's not how natural selection works.
[QUOTE=bdd458;40702362]I've never, ever, had a Flu vaccine. I haven't caught it in my 16 years so far. I was supposed to get H1N1 because I didn't rush out to get that vaccine. I didn't get that. Some people are better at fighting stuff like that I guess, if they refuse you for not getting a Flu vaccine, I might see an issue. But for stuff like Polio, yeah don't let 'em in.[/QUOTE]Flu vaccines aren't that big an issue; it's really only strongly recommended for those people who are at greater risk of complications i.e. the elderly, ill and young children. Nevertheless, it's not gonna cause harm, and might save you a few days of lying in bed ill if you do end up coming into contact with the flu.
On a more general note: Other vaccines, like the one for mumps, measles and rubella, are a much more serious matter. Parents who don't get their kid those sorts of vaccines are putting them in real, sometimes life-threatening danger.
The anti-vax movement, comprised of either criminals or morons, has lead to the revival of horrible diseases we were on the verge of conquering in the Western world.
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[QUOTE=mobrockers2;40709267]Yeah, they're fucking ignorant and terrible parents disguised as caring parents. If they really cared so much they wouldn't believe those bullshit studies and mouth to mouth stories about kids getting autism from vaccines. Just because they think they're doing what is in the best interest of their kid, doesn't mean they're good parents nor that their actions are justifiable.[/QUOTE]A caring but ignorant parent is still a caring parent. Educate them, and punish (in a proportionate manner) those who blatantly lie about vaccines, especially if for their own benefit (e.g. that shitbag Andrew Wakefield)
speaking as someone who's immunocompromised, [I]fuck[/I] every parent who doesn't vaccinate their children by choice
i seriously fucking hate how every other month one of my brothers or sisters comes home with some fucking disease because i [B]always[/B] catch it and end up suffering for weeks longer than another person normally would
never been life-threatening but i digress
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