NRA: "Open carry demonstrations crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness."
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Urban exploration while open carrying is possibly one of the worst ideas I've ever heard for a multitude of reasons that should be obvious. Armed trespassing alone is probably something you should consider.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44993907]We had a soccermom call my managers the other day when I was at work because a guy was open carrying this glorious M1911 on his hip.
Didn't threaten anyone
didn't make any trouble.
Paid for what he needed, told us to have a blessed day and that was that.
but m-m-muh chillins[/QUOTE]
Guy sounds like another wackadoo...Have a blessed day, before Helter Skelter get you.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;44994365]Urban exploration while open carrying is possibly one of the worst ideas I've ever heard for a multitude of reasons that should be obvious. Armed trespassing alone is probably something you should consider.[/QUOTE]
You're right :v:
[QUOTE=NoDachi;44994274]and these people are allowed firearms lmao[/QUOTE]
You know, atleast he admitted that his idea had flaws, unlike the vast majority of open carry users who envision themselves as the sheriffs from dusty old wild west towns.
people who walk around with a fucking assault rifle on their back just makes america look like a warzone
which is fair enough for places like Detroit i guess.
open carrying is stupid, it just creates fear
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;44994160][B]they literally didn't[/B]
Jesus christ, there's some sets of society that are so shat all over that the media feels utterly no need to be responsible for what they post. "Assault weapons" is one of them.[/QUOTE]
I recognize the difference between the terms, however, to play the devil's advocate here, for someone not well versed in the nature of guns, what visual cues separate some of the non-assault weapons from their assault rifle counterparts?
an assault rifle is what you use to go postal on a military base and a non-assault rifle is what you use to shoot up a school
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;44994389]I recognize the difference between the terms, however, to play the devil's advocate here, for someone not well versed in the nature of guns, what visual cues separate some of the non-assault weapons from their assault rifle counterparts?[/QUOTE]
Select fire has three to four options for the firemode changer, while semi-auto has two. Not to mention that firearm owners love to fuck around with the fire selector engravements.
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I'll be honest, I am totally getting a custom AR-15 lower when I get around to building my own AR.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;44994389]I recognize the difference between the terms, however, to play the devil's advocate here, for someone not well versed in the nature of guns, what visual cues separate some of the non-assault weapons from their assault rifle counterparts?[/QUOTE]
what even are you saying?
"non-assault weapons" and "assault rifles" are not counterparts. That would only be true if "assault rifle" and "assault weapon" were the same thing, which they aren't.
I said it before I'll say it again, carrying a big expensive gun slung around your chest isn't going to do anything more for you than make you a target, a big target stupid enough to parade around his sole method of self defense like a toy.
The two potential cases where open carry makes sense is if your home is in a place dangerous enough to warrant doing so, and in such case your area is probably unsafe enough to have people rob you for your gun. The other case would be that your place is safe and you want to keep it that way by showing that you're armed to everyone, only that, guess what? That's what the police are there for, and they do their job better than some overzealous fucker carrying a loaded rifle on his chest just to grab a burger at McDonalds, in the same country where crazy fuckers have walked into public places just like that and opened fire on everyone inside before killing themselves, will be able to do.
Most of the people I know who are open carry when they go into places like resturants ask if it is open carry first, it'st these dumbfucks who just want attention that do it.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;44993907]We had a soccermom call my managers the other day when I was at work because a guy was open carrying this glorious M1911 on his hip.
Didn't threaten anyone
didn't make any trouble.
Paid for what he needed, told us to have a blessed day and that was that.
but m-m-muh chillins[/QUOTE]
Oh man people are scared of things that can kill them. How unreasonable of them.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;44994389]I recognize the difference between the terms, however, to play the devil's advocate here, for someone not well versed in the nature of guns, what visual cues separate some of the non-assault weapons from their assault rifle counterparts?[/QUOTE]
1. Assault weapon and assault rifle are not the same thing.
2. Assault rifles are nearly impossible for civilians to legally own in the States so it's extremely unlikely you're going to see someone carrying one.
3. The Term "assault weapon" is entirely defined by visual cues, including telescoping stocks, pistol grips, bayonet mounts, muzzle breaks, external magazines, and barrel shrouds.
4. Actual assault rifles are defined as intermediate caliber select fire capable so the visual cues of that would be the size of the magazine and the safety.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44994650]1. Assault weapon and assault rifle are not the same thing.
2. Assault rifles are nearly impossible for civilians to legally own in the States so it's extremely unlikely you're going to see someone carrying one.
3. The Term "assault weapon" is entirely defined by visual cues, including telescoping stocks, pistol grips, bayonet mounts, muzzle breaks, external magazines, and barrel shrouds.
4. Actual assault rifles are defined as intermediate caliber select fire capable so the visual cue of that would be the size of the magazine well and the safety.[/QUOTE]
Eh, you just need a class 3 license to be able to own an assault rifle, which means you can't be a felon (duh), pay a tax on the rifle, and come in every so often to keep your license. It's not nearly impossible, it's just harder. Something nearly impossible is being able to make explosives and use them legally.
some people open carry (or do a poor job CC'ing) while i'm manning the register. i tend to believe that the average-looking guy carrying a gun and acting like he isn't won't do me or the business harm. if someone enters with a gun in their hand, that's a different story.
point is, there's multiple warning signs of crazed gunmen- simply possessing a gun isn't one of them.
[quote]Texas has some of the least restrictive gun laws in the country[/quote]
People think that, but Texas is pretty average on gun laws.
[url]http://www.bradycampaign.org/sites/default/files/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf[/url]
In related news, if you turn this chart upside down, it is really handy for determining good states to live in if you like guns. Thanks brady campaign!
[editline]3rd June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lv100Garchomp;44994680]Eh, you just need a class 3 license to be able to own an assault rifle, which means you can't be a felon (duh), pay a tax on the rifle, and come in every so often to keep your license. It's not nearly impossible, it's just harder. Something nearly impossible is being able to make explosives and use them legally.[/QUOTE]
You only need a 200 dollar tax stamp to own an assault rifle. The rifle must have been made prior to 1986, must be legal according to state law, requires the signature of your local head of law enforcement, and requires a nasty check by the ATF. Given the dwindling number of pre-86 rifles, you also need a fuckload of cash to buy one. Regardless of how "easy" it is (for most, it isn't.), they are effectively never used in the commission of crime.
Meanwhile you can make and use tannerite in reasonable quantities with little to no legal oversight, depending on your state. It is a simple low-grade binary explosive.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44994185]A gun is like a penis: no one wants to see you walking around with it out in public.[/QUOTE]
Speak for yourself. :dance:
I don't know about you guys, but if I saw someone walk into a store I was in with a fucking gun i'd dive out the window and run for the hills.
[QUOTE=Magmacow358;44995733]I don't know about you guys, but if I saw someone walk into a store I was in with a fucking gun i'd dive out the window and run for the hills.[/QUOTE]
"Do not be alarmed, I'm just expressing my right to bear arms and wear hockey masks in tank stations at 3 AM in the middle of the night."
"I'll have one cappucino, please."
"Oh, and a Snickers for the road."
I think what some of these people forget is that guns ARE scary to the average person, and that the best way to acclimate people to the concept of gun safety and open carry is through education. Simply carrying these large guns in to public is more liable to scare people away from the concept than to make them more comfortable with it.
[QUOTE=Magmacow358;44995733]I don't know about you guys, but if I saw someone walk into a store I was in with a fucking gun i'd dive out the window and run for the hills.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't until ~92 that Canada had any issue with this. The gunsmith at my store told us a story of when he was headed down to a shoot at a club in Southern Ontario in the '80s. He stopped to get coffee, and walked into the shop, a CZ pistol on his hip and the people he was with strapped similarly. Some cops walked in and walked by, saw them, and asked, "Heading to a shoot at the Sharon Gun Club, are we?" No issue at all.
-snip- sorry for asking :(
[QUOTE=Magmacow358;44995733]I don't know about you guys, but if I saw someone walk into a store I was in with a fucking gun i'd dive out the window and run for the hills.[/QUOTE]
That's why you should open carry two M1911's and fire both whilst diving through the window. Gotta stand your ground.
[editline]4th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;44994805]People think that, but Texas is pretty average on gun laws.
[url]http://www.bradycampaign.org/sites/default/files/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
The fact that Georgia ranks 22 is horrifying, I always thought their gun laws were super lenient.
Does Utah mandate that all children one year and older get a free M16 or something :v:
Whats the one video when there is a bunch of dudes walking around with what I think is an AR-15 and some pistols and get confronted by a cop?
I just think they came down with a horrible case of the texas
[QUOTE=Dalndox;44997651]I think what some of these people forget is that guns ARE scary to the average person, and that the best way to acclimate people to the concept of gun safety and open carry is through education. Simply carrying these large guns in to public is more liable to scare people away from the concept than to make them more comfortable with it.[/QUOTE]
It isn't the job or responsibility of regular citizens to make the populace comfortable with legal actions. The blame completely falls on the irrational fear of the people in question and the fear mongering done by anti-gun groups.
You're essentially blaming the victim.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45001799]It isn't the job or responsibility of regular citizens to make the populace comfortable with legal actions. The blame completely falls on the irrational fear of the people in question and the fear mongering done by anti-gun groups.
You're essentially blaming the victim.[/QUOTE]
'victim blaming'
lmao
is this guy for real
please don't tell me he owns a gun
NoDachi is obviously a [B]communist[/B]!
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45001843]'victim blaming'
lmao[/QUOTE]
To be fair he has something of a point. If you're doing something totally within the law and otherwise reasonable, it's not your responsibility to stop other people from being irrationally afraid. But open-carrying assault rifles doesn't fall within that category, and there's a difference between legal and socially acceptable.
If open carry is legal, then you shouldn't be arrested because someone saw you open carrying and got scared. But at the same time, that doesn't mean you aren't being an asshole and don't deserve a talking-to.
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