• Get ready for more massacre: Hamas threatens to resume fighting tomorrow
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[QUOTE=Gentry;45625501]Why would they when Israel drives young, angry disillusioned Palestinians into their arms? Hamas's popularity has only gone up because of all this. And can you honestly blame them?[/QUOTE] I suppose so, I guess we can't expect either side to back down then.
[QUOTE=Melnek;45625509]Palestinians want is to stop Israeli 'oppression'.[/QUOTE] Its a pretty safe statement to make.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45625568]Its a pretty safe statement to make.[/QUOTE] I could also say if Hamas attacks then Israelis are fighting terrorism, like any other country would.
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;45625596]I could also say if Hamas attacks then Israelis are fighting terrorism, like any other country would.[/QUOTE] You can't expect a subjected ghetto-state to not resist, even in objectionable terms.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45625629]You can't expect a subjected ghetto-state to not resist, even in objectionable terms.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying, I don't think it's so black and white anymore. Israel doesn't help when they screw up (whether on purpose or accidental) and neither does Hamas when they want to fuck things up with this "fight the good (partly religious) fight" bullshit mentality.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45625629]You can't expect a subjected ghetto-state to not resist, even in objectionable terms.[/QUOTE]Actually I cannot think of a single nation that wouldn't have fucking leveled Gaza by now if they had the same situation on their borders. I mean any nation, in like, forever. Israel has been extremely lenient and soft-handed, and [i]all[/i] of the other groups except Hamas have taken notice and have backed off from attacking Israel. That's why it's been years since shit has come from the West Bank, which is largely under the control of the Palestinian Authority. (Fatah-led, while Gaza is unanimously Hamas) There has been a unified government formed, but it did exactly fuck-all to stop Hamas from being shitheads, so there was peaceful demonstrations in the West Bank to show solidarity with the Gazans. Israel did nothing in response to these demonstrations. You've been told his already, but I'll say it again: Palestinians are not all the same, and it has been Hamas and Hamas alone that is the source of the constant fighting.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45625312]Maybe the Palestinians are sick of conceding to half measures that have gotten them nowhere. Maybe they just want Israel to fuck off back to its boarders, and rightly so.[/QUOTE] Yes fuck it let's just let terrorists run amuck and try to ignore them. Excellent solution you have.
Aaand [URL="http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/08/world/meast/mideast-crisis/"]it's on[/URL]. Fuck.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;45626260]Yes fuck it let's just let terrorists run amuck and try to ignore them. Excellent solution you have.[/QUOTE]"But Israel has the Iron Dome!"
Status report: 20 rockets since 8:00AM (it is now 9:30), several interceptions over Ashkelon. Israel still hasn't responded.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45627346]Status report: 20 rockets since 8:00AM (it is now 9:30), several interceptions over Ashkelon. Israel still hasn't responded.[/QUOTE] I assume several > 20. So there were some rocket hits? Any casualties?
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45627346]Status report: 20 rockets since 8:00AM (it is now 9:30), several interceptions over Ashkelon. Israel still hasn't responded.[/QUOTE] I think, the only way Israel can actually not look like a dick is to exercise restraint, no matter how stupid it might sound. While the Iron Dome isn't 100% efficient, at least they have the means to defend themselves. Unless they dug tunnels again.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;45627473] Unless they dug tunnels again.[/QUOTE] From my understanding; those take a lot of time and resources to produce. They're rather intricate, and very large.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45627918]From my understanding; those take a lot of time and resources to produce. They're rather intricate, and very large.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I saw the CNN videos. Doesn't mean they won't be doing it again.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45625641]And you can't expect any sovereign state to not fight back when you start firing rockets into it's borders and attempt to use suicide bombers on said state. You show me a state, any state, that has been repeatedly attacked via rockets/suicide bombers, and hasn't fought back... because there isn't one in existence.[/QUOTE] Please the Palestinians have more right to resist than your own prissy revolution.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45629689]Please the Palestinians have more right to resist than your own prissy revolution.[/QUOTE] Is there something prohibiting you from understanding that innocent Palestinians are suffering because of HAMAS?
[QUOTE=silvsice;45629888]Is there something prohibiting you from understanding that innocent Palestinians are suffering because of HAMAS?[/QUOTE] Innocent civilians are suffering because Israel attacked Hamas first. Like they do before every 'protective Operation'.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45629689]Please the Palestinians have more right to resist than [B]your own prissy revolution[/B].[/QUOTE] someone sounds bitter [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/3NVcPiX.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;45629970]someone sounds bitter [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/3NVcPiX.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] Sounds like someone can spot hypocrisy
[QUOTE=silvsice;45629888]Is there something prohibiting you from understanding that innocent Palestinians are suffering because of HAMAS?[/QUOTE] You shouldn't expect a serious reply from Gentry because of their ridiculous ideas on Hamas.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45629942]Innocent civilians are suffering because Israel attacked Hamas first. Like they do before every 'protective Operation'.[/QUOTE] wasnt this whole thing a response to hamas firing rockets at Isreal after Isreal detained a whole bunch of West Bank Palestinians? I mean you could argue that Isreal made the first move by dickishly detaining a shitload of people but Hamas certianly escalated the situation by [I]firing fucking rockets[/I]
[QUOTE=DogGunn;45629998]You shouldn't expect a serious reply from Gentry because of their ridiculous ideas on Hamas.[/QUOTE] do tell me what my ideas on Hamas are [editline]8th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb575;45630000]wasnt this whole thing a response to hamas firing rockets at Isreal after Isreal detained a whole bunch of West Bank Palestinians? I mean you could argue that Isreal made the first move by dickishly detaining a shitload of people but Hamas certianly escalated the situation by [I]firing fucking rockets[/I][/QUOTE] No Israel used those murdered teenagers as a pretext to strike Hamas in the West Bank. At a time when Gaza was suffering severely under the blockade - of course they knew Hamas would retaliate but they did it anyway. They pull something like this before every ~Operation~ as pretext.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45629989]Sounds like someone can spot hypocrisy[/QUOTE] bro its pretty fucking hard to compare the american revolution to what is happening here its not like american revolutionaries went over to britian and started firing rockets at civilians (quite the contrary actually the brits loved shelling american cities with congreve rockets :v:) to further thier adgenda [editline]8th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Gentry;45630003] No Israel used those murdered teenagers as a pretext to [B]strike[/B] Hamas in the West Bank. At a time when Gaza was suffering severely under the blockade - of course they knew Hamas would retaliate but they did it anyway. They pull something like this before every ~Operation~ as pretext.[/QUOTE] when you say "strike" what do you mean? because detaining people without cause, while definitely out of line and reprehensible, does not count as "attacking first"
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;45630039]bro its pretty fucking hard to compare the american revolution to what is happening here its not like american revolutionaries went over to britian and started firing rockets at civilians (quite the contrary actually the brits loved shelling american cities with congreve rockets :v:) to further thier adgenda[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that the Palestinians suffer far more under Israel's boot, more than the colonies ever did under Britain. And today its far more unacceptable to live like that than in the 18th century. [editline]8th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb575;45630039]when you say "strike" what do you mean? because detaining people without cause, while definitely out of line and reprehensible, does not count as "attacking first"[/QUOTE] If a foreign power comes into your territory and starts arresting and seizing assets of your government it constitutes an act of war. Israel was just pissed off that Hamas and Fatah formed a unity government so they wanted to punish them for it - so they used the murder of Israeli kids as a way to further their objective. What would be your opinion if Russian soldiers marched into Eastern Ukraine and started seizing administrative buildings and imprisoning Ukrainian leaders?
[QUOTE=Gentry;45630062]I'm just saying that the Palestinians suffer far more under Israel's boot, more than the colonies ever did under Britain.[/quote] ah alright, fair enough [quote] If a foreign power comes into your territory and starts arresting and seizing assets of your government it constitutes an act of war. [/quote] Did Isreal seize WB palestinian government assets and leaders during that operation? I was under the impression that they were mostly indescriminately arresting civilians (which was the source of that contraversy). And a question: Do you think it constituted an act of war on the Pakistan when the US entered Pakistan to kill/capture Osama Bin Laden without informing the Pakistani government first? [quote] Israel was just pissed off that Hamas and Fatah formed a unity government so they wanted to punish them for it - so they used the murder of Israeli kids as a way to further their objective. [/quote] Can I get a source on this? [quote] What would be your opinion if Russian soldiers marched into Eastern Ukraine and started seizing administrative buildings and imprisoning Ukrainian leaders?[/QUOTE] I would definitely call out the Russians for it. I wouldnt call for the shelling of Moscow or Russian border towns by the Ukrainian government either, though.
[QUOTE=sYnced;45624988]im going to try an analogy here because i honestly don't understand your mentality. when the twin towers were hit, were the americans crying that the USA caused civilian casulities in the middle east? no, because no other countries would allow their country to be bombed. were we crying when USA bombed nagasaki and hirashima? not really because we were being attacked. hamas already claimed they want the jews dead so im not sure if u feel differently since u defend them consistently.[/QUOTE] Wow yeah you're right, he disagrees with Israels actions therefore he's antisemitic, that's a refreshing argument.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;45630183]Can I get a source on this?[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/05/us-palestinian-israel-settlement-idUSKBN0EG0I220140605[/URL] "When Israel is spat upon, it has to do something about it," [QUOTE=Timebomb575;45630183] Did Isreal seize WB palestinian government assets and leaders during that operation? I was under the impression that they were mostly indescriminately arresting civilians (which was the source of that contraversy). And a question: Do you think it constituted an act of war on the Pakistan when the US entered Pakistan to kill/capture Osama Bin Laden without informing the Pakistani government first?.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://972mag.com/west-bank-kidnapping-israels-crackdown-moves-beyond-hamas-militants/92162/[/URL] it was a deliberate move to antagonize Hamas. and to answer your question: It was regarded as one - [URL]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/07/2013798131293327.html[/URL] but Pakistan was too impotent to do anything about it. "The raid illustrated Washington's "contemptuous disregard of Pakistan’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity in the arrogant certainty of […] unmatched military might", the report concluded in its "Findings" section." "The commission's 336-page report is scathing, holding both the government and the military responsible for "gross incompetence" leading to "collective failures" that allowed both Bin Laden to escape detection, and the US to be able to violate Pakistani sovereignty by carrying out an attack on its soil without the knowledge of the military or the government." "It singles out the military for particular criticism on this front, citing an "overall policy bankruptcy" amongst both the political and military leadership, when it came to securing the country’s western border against possible violations of Pakistani territory or airspace." ect [editline]8th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Timebomb575;45630183]I wouldnt call for the shelling of Moscow or Russian border towns by the Ukrainian government either, though.[/QUOTE] No neither would I. Neither would I say the rocket launches by Hamas are not abhorrent and indiscriminate. But how else can they respond? All they have are those shit symbolic rockets so of course they're going to use them.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45630509]And Hamas is too impotent to actually defend the people of the Gaza strip, so maybe they should stop launching rockets into Israel and starting shit that they can't finish. The military wing of Hamas has straight up said all they want to do is inflict damage on Israel, they've said nothing about protecting the Palestinians. Why should Israel not re-occupy the strip and remove Hamas from power? If the Palestinians aren't going to do it, then obviously Israel should. And before you say "well maybe israel should fuck off back to their borders"; you see, land loss is typically what happens when you fuck with a country that has a superior military.[/QUOTE] But every time a war like this happens it plays into Hamas's hands. Their popularity goes up, and Israel gets international condemnation. Hamas is going to go into the next round of talks with a stronger hand than before. Especially after bloodying Israels nose like this - Israel hasn't lost that many soldiers in Gaza before. Hamas knows what its doing and can play the world for a fool sometimes.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45630547]And they'll keep pushing until Israel tells the international community to fuck off and levels Gaza. Israel's responses continue to grow more and more disproportionate as the previous operations haven't worked; eventually they'll stop giving a flying fuck about what the rest of the world has to say, and will just finish what they start.[/QUOTE] That's what worries me the most, Hamas is doing the equivalent of poking a bear in the eye with a stick. It will come to a point where Israel won't even give a thought to restraint.
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;45630575]That's what worries me the most, Hamas is doing the equivalent of poking a bear in the eye with a stick. It will come to a point where Israel won't even give a thought to restraint.[/QUOTE] 'restraint' haha
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