[QUOTE=David29;27351391]I can understand Afghans not understanding why we invaded their country, but really...? You don't know why the US and it's allies invaded them? They didn't do it for a laugh.[/QUOTE]
I am completely aware. Although I think that the 'public' reasoning is completely different
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;27351422]I am completely aware. Although I think that the 'public' reasoning is completely different[/QUOTE]
Why? What is the point in starting a war purely to create force democracy on a country? Even if I was cynical and said oil, it would be far-fetched - assuming that the Iraq war was only so the US could get it's hands on the oil there, the excuse for war (WMD's) was rather pathetic and hasty. Yet in comparison, the reasoning behind Afghanistan (9/11, Al-Qaeda and their benefactors; the Taleban) would have taken a lot more effort to 'fake' and for much less of an opportunity (compare: the non-oil producing Afghanistan to the oil-rich Iraq). This makes little sense, and no other reason to invade exists except for the one that was presented to the public.
I don't trust the US government, but I don't wear a tin-hat.
I love how the Title is worded..........by US it means the Government does, not the actual Population.
Every single war fought by America has ended in american banks profiting immensly. There is a common denominator here.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;27351696]Every single war fought by America has ended in american banks profiting immensly. There is a common denominator here.[/QUOTE]
The American banks did well after WWII. What's your point?
Sorry but... why are we still fighting?
[QUOTE=Explosions;27351253]What do you mean couldn't defeat Afghanistan? The Taliban was running for the hills before we even got there, and any resistance was crushed instantaneously. The insurgency is all that is left, and we've been dealing with that quite well actually.[/QUOTE]
lol.
[QUOTE=RayDark;27351083]Because Afghanistan has a fucking fuck load of oil, that's why.[/QUOTE]
Ahahhahahah har har harh lmaoaoaooaoaooa lolooooooooooooooooooooooooool. good joke.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;27351696]Every single war fought by America has ended in american banks profiting immensly. There is a common denominator here.[/QUOTE]
That's why our economy went to shit in 2008. That's also why we entered World War 2 right? The Great Depression devastated American banks so we invaded Germany, Italy, and Japan to help make our economy better. Can I have my tin-foil hat now please? :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=David29;27351848]The American banks did well after WWII. What's your point?[/QUOTE]
Its in the best interests of the rich and powerful for a nation to spend money on war.
[QUOTE=David29;27351848]The American banks did well after WWII. What's your point?[/QUOTE]
But they did well before American joined World War I :v:
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[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;27351933]Ahahhahahah har har harh lmaoaoaooaoaooa lolooooooooooooooooooooooooool. good joke.[/QUOTE]
Afghanistan has no oil, what so over. So yeah I agree with your laughing fit.
This will TOTALLY help the US' economy to pick back up.
America isn't parading around the world playing hero, there's a reason why it happens. Profit.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;27351945]Its in the best interests of the rich and powerful for a nation to spend money on war.[/QUOTE]
Like in Vietnam?
The real reason we attack other countries is because, ever since World War 2, the U.S. as a whole has feared isolationism, because we see it as a major reason for the events of the second World War. The entire world watched in fear as a dictatorship took control of Europe and committed mass atrocities. So as a result, the U.S., and quite frankly most other developed nations, have tried to intervene and prevent that from occurring by any means necessary. The problem is that no one is really sure how to go about that, so they simply follow what worked the first time, conflict. There isn't so big conspiracy or evil masterminded plot, its just decent people trying to do the right thing and not knowing how.
I totally disagree with you. How can you say it's just 'decent people trying to do the right thing' by throwing millions of lives at stake and, wait a second here.. actually gaining from it?!
Houston, I think we have a very big problem here. Why the fuck do banks, the people we entrust to give our money to, profit from war? It's fucking retarded.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;27351945]Its in the best interests of the rich and powerful for a nation to spend money on war.[/QUOTE]
"There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare." - Sun Tzu
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;27352002]America isn't parading around the world playing hero, there's a reason why it happens. Profit.[/QUOTE]
Your ill-informed world view is so hilarious, it almost palpable.
That is not, by any means, correct. Look at what happened with these wars. The economy collapsed and banks were forced to close. And any idea of "oil profiteering" should have gone out the window when oil was over $100 a barrel and people were paying $4.00 and $5.00 a gallon. Clearly that entire concept just collapses when you look at the multi-trillion dollar deficit we are in and continue to fall deeper in to. In what way has any profit been made?
The real wars were fought when the leaders were atleast honest about it.
The ancient wars which were, almost literally,
"You have good land. We want your land. We want your riches. We are going to kill you all. And take it all."
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[QUOTE=Zeddy;27352206]Your ill-informed world view is so hilarious, it almost palpable.
That is not, by any means, correct. Look at what happened with these wars. The economy collapsed and banks were forced to close. And any idea of "oil profiteering" should have gone out the window when oil was over $100 a barrel and people were paying $4.00 and $5.00 a gallon. Clearly that entire concept just collapses when you look at the multi-trillion dollar deficit we are in and continue to fall deeper in to. In what way has any profit been made?[/QUOTE]
I'm a well informed university student well versed with the ermm.. 'science' (invention, rather.) of economics.
Ding ding ding! America is in debt. And so is every other fucking country on earth? Doesn't that sound weird to you? How is everyone in debt to 'someone.'
Yes, some banks did close. But then the central bank appeared and the magical problem of the 30's was solved.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;27352179]I totally disagree with you. How can you say it's just 'decent people trying to do the right thing' by throwing millions of lives at stake and, wait a second here.. actually gaining from it?![/QUOTE]Disagreeing with me doesn't make you right. (Yes, I can call your opinion wrong when you try to present it as fact, so don't even start.) And first of all, how does gaining from something make it any less right? People receive tax breaks for charitable actions. Does that make them evil profiteers? I'm sure all those people who donate to the Red Cross or who help at homeless shelters or donate to childhood leukemia foundations would like a word with you. And like I said, they're trying to do the right thing and don't know how, so they do what worked the first time which was warfare. Did you actually read any of what I said? If they didn't care, why would they spend billions a year trying to better equip and prepare the soldiers, particularly if they just wanted profit.
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[quote]Houston, I think we have a very big problem here. Why the fuck do banks, the people we entrust to give our money to, profit from war? It's fucking retarded.[/quote]
Because people and companies spend money, take out loans, and invest money during war. Banks profitting from some wars is just a byproduct.
You all need to learn up on Realist and Liberalism.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;27352189]"There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare." - Sun Tzu[/QUOTE]
Prolonged being the key word, I believe. At any rate, it is the elite class that profits, the general population will never see a dime. I mean, do you think Cheney is going to use all profits in made in Iraq from Halliburton's exclusive contracting rights to actually help any of us plebs? I am extremely doubtful.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;27352206]Your ill-informed world view is so hilarious, it almost palpable.
That is not, by any means, correct. Look at what happened with these wars. The economy collapsed and banks were forced to close. And any idea of "oil profiteering" should have gone out the window when oil was over $100 a barrel and people were paying $4.00 and $5.00 a gallon. Clearly that entire concept just collapses when you look at the multi-trillion dollar deficit we are in and continue to fall deeper in to. In what way has any profit been made?[/QUOTE]
Regardless of the state of the nation, I find it undeniable that a few very powerful men increased their coffers substantially in the process of invasion and "reconstruction" (lol) of Iraq--though I'm aware this is about Afghanistan, I'm more informed about Iraq, so deal with it.
As for profiting as a nation, how do you think all the weaponry used in those countries is produced? Arms factories are certainly very interested in the war lasting as long as possible. In fact, should we suddenly stop needing all these weapons, I imagine a fair percentage of our working population would be out of a job.
Our country is in ruins, why the fuck can't they stay here?
Yeah.. Banks profiting from wars is the exact byproduct necessary for them to get the gears of war into motion in the first place.
Why do they spend billions a year trying to better equip the soldiers? Because spending the money is how they make the money back through interest.
From an internet blog:
Waging wars costs more money that what governments have in their treasuries. This requires taking out loans. This takes the form of selling government bonds that are purchased by central banks (the Federal Reserve in the case of the US) and private banks. The government allows banks to literally create money out of thin air to purchase US Treasury notes. Governments are on the hook for not only the principle of the loans but interest. Thus, banks profit from receiving interest payments and whatever principle may be repaid for money they never had to begin with. This is profit of glorious proportions to banking corporations. Wars, thus, create government dependency to banks – which explains why throughout history banks have encouraged Kings and other royalty to war with each other. Governments lose sovereignty when they lose their ability to shape their own budgets. More of our federal budget goes to debt service each and every year. Not all of US debt is war-incurred – the trillions for bank bailouts is another major cause. But the truth remains the more money set aside for war that can’t be paid for yields more debt…and bank profits. This was the reason President Lincoln scorned British and US banks and created interest free US money, called Greenbacks, to pay for the Civil War – saving billions in interest payments that would have been paid to banking corporations.
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Maybe we can't justify saying "Fuck the government," but we certainly can say "fuck the bank." They're the ones with the money, don't you get it?
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;27352233]The real wars were fought when the leaders were atleast honest about it.
The ancient wars which were, almost literally,
"You have good land. We want your land. We want your riches. We are going to kill you all. And take it all."[/quote]Yeah, that's because they had to fight to survive and were simultaneously very uneducated.Your average citizen today is smarter than most world leader a thousand years ago. But as I said, they had survival issues. They didn't have the benefits of modern science and society.
[quote]I'm a well informed university student well versed with the ermm.. 'science' (invention, rather.) of economics.[/quote]Ok, if you actually were, you'd understand that the emergence of economics was the natural result of society developing. Hell, you don't even need to take a course on economics. I learned this shit from my world history class in middle school. And again from my Government class as a high school junior. And again in my Sociology class as a senior. I've learned this so many times, it stopped being funny.
[quote]Ding ding ding! America is in debt. And so is every other fucking country on earth? Doesn't that sound weird to you? How is everyone in debt to [B]'someone.'[/B][/quote]And that right there is why I am now just going to laugh at you and disregard you completely. You just rang the conspiracy bell. You can have my tin-foil hat :tinfoil:, I don't need it.
Oh shit I didn't know I could point out basic flaws in the monetary system and suddenly have all my arguements get disregarded by some arrogant member of an internet forum.
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People profit off debt. We see it on a small scale with loan sharks and interest. Except it's an entire nation. Look into banking, bro.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;27352451]From an internet blog:[/QUOTE]
[quote=HEY YOU - Read these before you post in this section or make a thread][B]Sources[/B]-
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-Editorials, blogs, and other opinion pieces are not news[/quote]
Try again.
And when I said 'someone' I was being sarcastic, referring to the banking system. People misuse the word Conspiracy.
Conspiracy:a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act
A conspiracy can be true. It isn't a secret, it stares most people in the face they just don't know it. How do you think the value of the dollar is calculated? Why is Japanese currency less than American currency? Why can't we just make more money by printing off money? Because we do, which is why the value of the dollar has decreased. Which is why most countries are clouded with debt.
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