Danish city makes pork mandatory but allows other food
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[QUOTE=Lolkork;49584035]This is stupid, culture should not be conserved or changed through law.[/QUOTE]
What an idiotic statement.
How else are you going to conserve or change it? Its not like we changed the whole menu to pork. It was literally a question of some things being banned from the menu, or everything being allowed on the menu.
Surely you cant be mad that everything is allowed on the menu?!
I think it's a bit backwards to make pork (or anything) mandatory, but no one is being forced to eat it. Personally I believe it should be up to each kindergarten - if there's a majority of Muslims in the kindergarten, it obviously makes very little economic sense to serve pork.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49584260]I think it's a bit backwards to make pork (or anything) mandatory, but no one is being forced to eat it. Personally I believe it should be up to each kindergarten - if there's a majority of Muslims in the kindergarten, it obviously makes very little economic sense to serve pork.[/QUOTE]
Which makes it even more awkward since all the kindergartens are full of Muslim children anyway.
as a muslim: good for them
for the people advocaitng to ban pork its just stupid
to the guy who posted about ONE IMAM saying to not going to childrens birthdays, thats just retarded, everyone here goes to peoples birthday
anyway, its there country, why ban pork just for us? i agree with the decision.
[QUOTE=Sprelle;49584089]Says the swede
We recently had an Islamic priest (Imam) saying Muslim children should not attend birthdays.[/QUOTE]
Well the swedes themselves say that they don't have a culture, so I can understand why one wouldn't get why ours should be preserved :v:
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49584483]By letting it getting influenced by other cultures, and when new culture becomes popular, that's how it has always worked.[/QUOTE]
I, for one, welcome our new Islamic overlords.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49584581]Most of our culture is American, I doubt that the situation is much different in Denmark.[/QUOTE]
Really glad that most of the people in my country don't think like you. I think we had enough of others trying to annihilate our culture.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49584260]I think it's a bit backwards to make pork (or anything) mandatory, but no one is being forced to eat it. Personally I believe it should be up to each kindergarten - if there's a majority of Muslims in the kindergarten, it obviously makes very little economic sense to serve pork.[/QUOTE]
Its more backwards to start trying to force archaic and arbitrary laws in a country you're seeking asylum in as a guest.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49581540]If the creator of the universe wanted to convey a message, why would he choose a book that has to be constantly interpreted and reinterpreted to meet current standards? Why use a book at all? Why not beam the knowledge into everyone's brains so there's no confusion? Why create people who can screw up the big plan in the first place?
It's a fun exercise, but ultimately the whole project of interpretive theology is brain-dead and useless.[/QUOTE]
Useless? Certainly not. It gives you instructions as how to live life.
[QUOTE=Piciul;49580739]thats because denmark isn't willing to give up it's traditions in favor of political correctness[/QUOTE]
Dude fuck giving up traditions, we're in it for integration and support, not quote-on-quote "cultural exploration"
We danes know what Denmark's about and are happy to share, but we wish to progress and develop on our own.
So they make pork mandatory but don't entforce it? Sounds like a waste of time.
I would not vote for any politician who would waste his time by making potatoes mandatory.
[QUOTE=DuCT;49581553]From what I remember, radio stations have to play a certain quota of Canadian artists. I read it somewhere in my media studies in college. It's an older law, and it might be phased out by now, so who knows.[/QUOTE]
No it still exists, it is one of the CRTC's regulations. Canadian owned channels and radio, need to have a certain %of Canadian content or face fines
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49581540]If the creator of the universe wanted to convey a message, why would he choose a book that has to be constantly interpreted and reinterpreted to meet current standards? Why use a book at all? Why not beam the knowledge into everyone's brains so there's no confusion? Why create people who can screw up the big plan in the first place?
It's a fun exercise, but ultimately the whole project of interpretive theology is brain-dead and useless.[/QUOTE]
Look. After awhile you get tired of having to send update guides to people who fucking need a large book written down to remember their shit. I mean shit, the poor bastard went through three fucking messiahs.
Make it as vague as possible and close enough. Just like coding!
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49584581]Most of our culture is American, I doubt that the situation is much different in Denmark.[/QUOTE]... How so, exactly? I can tell you as an actual American that Sweden is culturally different than us, so I don't know quite know how your culture could possibly be "American" in any meaningful way.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49589794]Almost all the media we consume is American, and our language adopts a lot of english words.
One good example of Americas dominance over our culture is Swedens biggest music competition "Melodifestivalen".
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodifestivalen_2015https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodifestivalen_2015[/url]
Most of the songs are American pop music sung in English but made and performed by Swedes.[/QUOTE]Adopting words isn't at all a big thing, half of the English language is just words adopted from French or German and musical influence really isn't some big overarching thing in culture. I was talking actual significant cultural elements, what actually makes a group of people into a "culture." Swedish artists have been big hits here as well and ABBA didn't rewrite American culture entirely, because we're not defined by our music and neither is Sweden.
To give an example of what I had in mind: we sure as hell don't have any of that jantelaw bullshit that's all over Scandinavia. Individualism is a strong element of American culture, it definitely rubs Europeans the wrong way and we're often called arrogant when in reality we just don't want to conform to whatever silly goddamn thing is being imposed on us. Yeah, sure, American arrogance is an actual thing but when we're just exercising our rights that just [I]bothers[/I] you guys, right along with our religion that Swedes tend to find excessive.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49589794]Sure, there are a lot of cultural differences between Sweden and the US, mainly in traditions and language. But those differences constantly become smaller, and if Americas dominance continues Sweden will be one of the first countries to lose their own culture.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't think you understand what the problem actually is. We're not the cause of Swedish culture getting eroded, it's Swedes themselves. While we may give you things like pop music and hamburgers, those are not what makes us Americans at all and they are no threat to you. Sweden almost has this compulsive tendency to self-destruct because that "oh everything has to be harmony and you're an asshole if you stray from that model" shit that your country is famous for has been taken too far. You know what your culture is becoming? White guilt. You're the example the dipshits here use as both a cautionary tale of "liberalism gone too far" or as a model of "diversity and tolerance" which neatly ignores the growing racial issues my country has been suffering from since, oh, fucking forever.
Maybe we did inadvertently give that to you, but I highly doubt it.
To add on to that: we didn't make you start bringing in migrants from Africa in the 90's and now migrants from the Middle East, that was all you and now we get to see all these previously homogeneous countries deal with the same issues we have always dealt with. Good luck by the way, we've had over two hundred years to try and figure out how to play nice and we still haven't quite gotten that figured out. I guess everyone's forgotten about all those wonderful times where we were just sick racists and a country full of barbarians, accusations leveled by white people in countries where seeing "a person of color" was a rare thing.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49589841]But that's because France and Germany were the dominant cultures at the time when those words were added to English.[/QUOTE]Maybe if you stretch the definition of "dominant culture" a bit, yeah, but do remember at this time Spain was a very real world power and for centuries there was no Spanish loan words up until the American West was being settled.
I dunno, I'd hazard that we really are affecting their norms and societal goals.
Our chief export is media, and, given the tendency of media to have a strong impact on social norms and goals, it would stand to reason that we are slowing affecting basically every nation that consumes the media we export in any significant amounts.
In a way this is great. The closer we all are culturally, the better. Culture has no intrinsic value and contributes heavily towards basically every major conflict in human history. Nobody really loses out when we slowly unify culturally.
Onnnnn the other hand our social norms and goals are often toxic. So...you know...sorry about that, world. Protestant work ethic and the American dream are pretty dangerous concepts in the long run. Another issue is one of equality. The changes we cause are one sided. We export media in huge quantities, but import comparatively very little. As a result we can affect the culture of somewhere like Sweden, but their ability to pull us any closer to their culture is limited. It is a one sided deal.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49589917]Yeah, I can't disagree that the average Swede and American have radically different values. In that aspect our cultures are almost like night and day. But that is also changing.[/QUOTE]
Pretty soon you too can enjoy the pleasure of taking pride in working yourself to death while desperately trying to convince yourself that all your hard work will eventually pay off. Yayyyyyyyyyyyfuck.
[QUOTE=Piciul;49580739]thats because denmark isn't willing to give up it's traditions in favor of political correctness[/QUOTE]
The concept of a country fundamentally changing its long-standing history to make a foreign culture comfortable is wild to me. This is why I love living in the US, anyone trying to change or ban food items for religious reasons would be laughed out of the building.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49589903]I dunno, I'd hazard that we really are affecting their norms and societal goals.[/QUOTE]Maybe a little bit, but not in any significant amount. We export silly nonsensical bullshit, sure there may be some materialistic aspects that form around it (certainly has in our society) but that hasn't [I]displaced[/I] anything which is what seems to be the concern here. It's whatever + "we gotta have new iPhones" which is definitely easy to criticize but it isn't a particularly toxic cultural element if weighed against traditional values.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49589903]Onnnnn the other hand our social norms and goals are often toxic. So...you know...sorry about that, world. Protestant work ethic and the American dream are pretty dangerous concepts in the long run.[/QUOTE]I would say those are the least toxic elements in our society. Working hard to have the life you want has always been what this country has been all about, it's been something we took pride in up until it vanished amid the rise of corporatism and a rapidly growing economic disparity problem. If anything that "no, fuck you, I'm gonna do it my way you asshole" attitude has staved off that rise as long as it possibly could so really that's been our saving grace for two centuries.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49589903]As a result we can affect the culture of somewhere like Sweden, but their ability to pull us any closer to their culture is limited. It is a one sided deal.[/QUOTE]No, not at all, Sweden has [U]already[/U] exerted cultural influence on us and I'm probably the most qualified to talk about it. (out of the three of us, I'm not some type of cultural expert) One of the real reasons why I hate that conformist bullshit found in Scandinavian countries is it's easy to see in Minnesota and in Minnesotans. It's making us bipolar because on one hand we have that and on the other we still live mostly in the wilderness so we still have that wild attitude somewhere inside. It drives me up the wall to see somebody reverse their decisions so hard because, gasp, it might [I]look[/I] bad to all the other fat, blond-haired and blue-eyed motherfuckers out there. I've always been on the outside and as a kid I never understood why everyone, even adults, were just so goddamn mean all the time. That semi-sarcastic, sickly sweet way Minnesotans can passive-aggressively cast you aside is not at all different than the cold reception you get if you're not in the "accepted" category in Scandinavian cultures.
They've influenced us more than enough, I'd say. It's not all bad either, we inherited a lot of holiday traditions and a lot of cuisine, and a firm sense of community and charity as well.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49589917]Yeah, I can't disagree that the average Swede and American have radically different values. In that aspect our cultures are almost like night and day. But that is also changing.[/QUOTE]Really I'd be content with you doing things your way while we continue to do things our way, but people use your country (and others) as an example of what we should be like and it bothers the hell out of me. You were quick to focus on the superficial elements of American culture while I focus on how "unfree" you are, it's these priorities that define us as people. Using just these two reactions I'd say Sweden is concerned about the loud, flashy nature of America while Americans are concerned about how badly the government's going to fuck us. Is that really so different than reality?
I suppose one could argue that it's an example of how content Swedes are and how cynical Americans tend to be.
Good. People of Islamic faith with religious needs (halal-served meat) should be accommodated, though not if that involves lessening our own culture. Accommodation, not replacement. Plenty of schools where I live have been pressured by a few Muslims (and our own stupid representatives that are trigger happy about trying to appear appeasing to refugees/immigrants) to avoid serving pork, replacing chicken with goose etcetera. Most of the Muslims I talk to IRL agree that it's nutty for them to try and appease a claim no sane Muslim would make; most of them have nothing against pork being offered, and yet some of the executives are trying to ban it in the name of Muslims whom didn't complain in the first place.
[QUOTE=Sprelle;49584089]Says the swede
We recently had an Islamic priest (Imam) saying Muslim children should not attend birthdays.[/QUOTE]
Yes and we have Christians calling for banning sex education from schools.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;49584581]Most of our culture is American, I doubt that the situation is much different in Denmark.[/QUOTE]
Yeah maybe if you're a 08:a who never leaves the city or only hangs out with young people who enforce themselves into that culture.
Half the young people who talk to me here who find out I am American act so surprised and ask why I came here. So many young people here have "learned" that America is the best country in the world and you'd be stupid to come to Sweden instead. Even a lot of Arabs ask me as well, "why the fuck would you choose Sweden over USA?"
"Vi har midsommarafton och sådana 'töntiga' saker". People don't recognize their own culture because they live in it and it feels normal to them. When you ask someone about their western culture, they will most likely start thinking of events and such, not actual cultural ideals. Just because some people are so eager to absorb another culture's identity, it doesn't mean that Swedish culture is actually American. I can assure you, Swedish culture still remains much different from America's, despite how much some people try.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49589216]... How so, exactly? I can tell you as an actual American that Sweden is culturally different than us, so I don't know quite know how your culture could possibly be "American" in any meaningful way.[/QUOTE]
And what's American culture all about again?
Religion, guns, and a more liberal economy. That's about it..?
Plus being a safe haven of sorts for immigrants and other people coming from different cultural backgrounds.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49589850]Yeah, I don't think you understand what the problem actually is. We're not the cause of Swedish culture getting eroded, it's Swedes themselves. While we may give you things like pop music and hamburgers, those are not what makes us Americans at all and they are no threat to you. Sweden almost has this compulsive tendency to self-destruct because that "oh everything has to be harmony and you're an asshole if you stray from that model" shit that your country is famous for has been taken too far. You know what your culture is becoming? White guilt. You're the example the dipshits here use as both a cautionary tale of "liberalism gone too far" or as a model of "diversity and tolerance" which neatly ignores the growing racial issues my country has been suffering from since, oh, fucking forever.
Maybe we did inadvertently give that to you, but I highly doubt it.
To add on to that: we didn't make you start bringing in migrants from Africa in the 90's and now migrants from the Middle East, that was all you and now we get to see all these previously homogeneous countries deal with the same issues we have always dealt with. Good luck by the way, we've had over two hundred years to try and figure out how to play nice and we still haven't quite gotten that figured out. I guess everyone's forgotten about all those wonderful times where we were just sick racists and a country full of barbarians, accusations leveled by white people in countries where seeing "a person of color" was a rare thing.
Maybe if you stretch the definition of "dominant culture" a bit, yeah, but do remember at this time Spain was a very real world power and for centuries there was no Spanish loan words up until the American West was being settled.[/QUOTE]
Noone is bringing migrants.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49581001]Assuming some higher power was looking down, I don't imagine it would be pleased that its followers totally missed the point of the banning of certain food and continue to pursue the hollow tradition totally ignorant of the original reasoning.
It made sense once upon a time because certain foods were really likely to give you foodborne illnesses.
If I was responsible for the creation of mankind, and one of the abilities I granted them was critical thinking, I would be relatively displeased when they mindlessly adhered to shit.
Babysitting them tirelessly because of their antiquated viewpoints seems ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing, though. To them, eating pork is sacrilegious. They strive to be a good member of their faith, and to them, sitting back and letting other people do what they've come to be taught as sacrilege is the wrong thing to do. They genuinely believe eating pork is wrong, and they keep seeing people doing it. It doesn't make it right, but it's not a simple case of "don't enforce your views on others," because to them, "others" are doing incredibly immoral things.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49597588]That's the thing, though. To them, eating pork is sacrilegious. They strive to be a good member of their faith, and to them, sitting back and letting other people do what they've come to be taught as sacrilege is the wrong thing to do. They genuinely believe eating pork is wrong, and they keep seeing people doing it. It doesn't make it right, but it's not a simple case of "don't enforce your views on others," because to them, "others" are doing incredibly immoral things.[/QUOTE]
So are other things like polygamy but yet that's not that big of an issue if it's Christians doing it, is it?
By mandatory I hope they don't mean I have to eat it. I don't exactly feel like eating pork every day. Keyblocker might be right here, it's just a political move to prevent Muslims from letting other cultures enjoy other foods.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49580769]okay Denmark seems like an okay to visit in europe and I wonder if the england decides to leave the eu will other places do the same?[/QUOTE]
did you really just say "the england"???
what the hell are you man?????
at this point, i hope that you are _merely_ drunk every time you post
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49597588]That's the thing, though. To them, eating pork is sacrilegious. They strive to be a good member of their faith, and to them, sitting back and letting other people do what they've come to be taught as sacrilege is the wrong thing to do. They genuinely believe eating pork is wrong, and they keep seeing people doing it. It doesn't make it right, but it's not a simple case of "don't enforce your views on others," because to them, "others" are doing incredibly immoral things.[/QUOTE]
If they can't tolerate people of different beliefs having different lifestyles that are in accordance with the law, they should live elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Antlerp;49597674]By mandatory I hope they don't mean I have to eat it. I don't exactly feel like eating pork every day. Keyblocker might be right here, it's just a political move to prevent Muslims from letting other cultures enjoy other foods.
did you really just say "the england"???
what the hell are you man?????
at this point, i hope that you are _merely_ drunk every time you post[/QUOTE]
No one is forced to eat anything, and I doubt it'd on the menu every day.
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