White guy participates in "Knockout Game" and gets charged with hate crimes
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[QUOTE=katbug;43332361]That's not at all what happened
It happened to be popular within some urban communities, which were simply inhabited by black people in a massive majority.
Just because one race is does something doesn't mean that it's automatic racism to declare that a certain group is doing it. It would be like saying that me claiming that most neo nazi's are white is racist.[/QUOTE]
'Popular' is a pretty big overstatement to make given how little it actually occurred relative to the reporting about it.
[editline]28th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43331673]Thats kind of true in a sense. Many believe that you can't discriminate against people with privilege.[/QUOTE]
An argument you make every time, describe as something 'many' believe, and yet don't provide any proof for other than people on the outermost fringes that don't even visit this site. Let alone understanding the difference between institutional and personal discrimination.
[QUOTE=Appellation;43332536]Man, the digging is a bitch, sex slaves are shit at field work, and how'd ya manage to get ahold of smallpox? The, should be illegal evil type, evictions are easy though, just work for a major corporation for a while.[/QUOTE]
One thing I don't understand about the American education system is the huge amount of time focused to the build up towards civil rights reform.
People didn't give a shit about civil rights until the march on Washington.
By the way, this is why hate crime charges are being filed
[QUOTE]According to the FBI statement, Mr. Barrett spent a week trying to work up the nerve to try knockout.
The FBI said that in a video from Nov. 24, the day of the assault, Mr. Barrett said he wanted “to see if I were to hit a black person, would this be nationally televised?” The video shows him stopping his car, approaching the 79-year-old man and asking, “How’s it going, man?” — before “a loud smack is heard and the victim falls to the ground.”
“Barrett laughs, says ‘knockout,’ and then flees,” the FBI affidavit says.
In other videos, the FBI said, Mr. Barrett uses racial epithets and says blacks “haven’t fully experienced the blessing of evolution.”
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It's weird to see that when someone is rightfully arrested for assault, people want to turn it into a whine about how hard it is to be white in America.
tbh i'm the silliest liberal shit out there but i really feel like changing the length of a prison sentence based on the opinion that the assailant had on the victim is kind of dumb
[QUOTE=Appellation;43332536]Man, the digging is a bitch, sex slaves are shit at field work, and how'd ya manage to get ahold of smallpox? The, should be illegal evil type, evictions are easy though, just work for a major corporation for a while.[/QUOTE]
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here. Unless you're making fun of my overuse of commas. Which is a totally fair trait of mine to make fun of.
People are wholly shit.
The fact that people get killed by other people for no reason is proof of it.
Just imagine - you're Einstein, minding your own business...
Then some motherfucker who [I]never does anything useful in his whole life[/I] walks up behind you and knocks you the fuck out for lols, and you die.
And then he gets sent to jail to live out his worthless existence, and the theory of relativity never comes to exists.
There was no territorial gain involved, nor was it in defence, nor was it reactionary, nor was it involving a potential mate.
It was just pointless savage barbarism that the cerebral cortex enables people to do.
Someone thinks it's a good idea to go around killing people because there brain says it is, and they don't even fucking question that.
And that's just what the mind does - whether it's content is good or bad is irrelevant - if it's unquestioned, it's conditioned. If it's conditioned, then it's a trap.
That's Hell - ablaze in a mind-created prison of torment without even realising it.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43334008]By the way, this is why hate crime charges are being filed
It's weird to see that when someone is rightfully arrested for assault, people want to turn it into a whine about how hard it is to be white in America.[/QUOTE]
lmao so a guy who is very clearly a seething racist physically assaults a black man and suddenly it's an example of black-on-white violence and discrimination against white people and watch out for the PC Police etc. etc.
i think there may be a bit of the old persecution complex going on here
[QUOTE=avincent;43331732]If someone hit me like this as a game and I didn't go down I would pull out my .45 and play the knee-cap game.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't do that, chestburster is more fun.
[QUOTE=Oizen;43331632]White on Black is definitely given more attention then Black on white these days.[/QUOTE]
Are you shitting me, there were like 3 separate threads for three separate incidents of this happening to white guys after the trayvon martin/zimmerman ordeal
[QUOTE=Cone;43334301]lmao so a guy who is very clearly a seething racist physically assaults a black man and suddenly it's an example of black-on-white violence and discrimination against white people and watch out for the PC Police etc. etc.
i think there may be a bit of the old persecution complex going on here[/QUOTE]
omg go back 2 tumblr you [I]feminist
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In reality, yeah, it's mostly people purposely not understanding the story so they can try and spin it around towards the dastardly Social Justice Warrior (League of Evil) and rake in the zinger ratings
[editline]28th December 2013[/editline]
Ugh, now it sounds like [I]I[/I] have a persecution complex. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it, and people are just stupid.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;43331809]why are federal authorities and the white house involved in something like this lol[/QUOTE]
Because Trayvon Martin was Obama's son.
some of the people in this thread are fucking terrible, the person who did this did it it 100% stating that it was because of race thats why its being charged as a hate crime not because people are trying to prosecute white people
[QUOTE=Extronic;43331661]In a way, all crimes are hate crimes[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a direct quote from [URL="http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s04e01-cartmans-silly-hate-crime-2000"]Cartman's Silly Hate Crime[/URL].
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43334008]By the way, this is why hate crime charges are being filed
It's weird to see that when someone is rightfully arrested for assault, people want to turn it into a whine about how hard it is to be white in America.[/QUOTE]
It's obvious that he didn't attack him because of any racial prejudice, but to see the media reaction. Ironically, his entire point has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
[QUOTE=sgman91;43335017]It's obvious that he didn't attack him because of any racial prejudice, but to see the media reaction. Ironically, his entire point has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.[/QUOTE]
You have to engage in some impressive mental gymnastics to read that quote and say that it wasn't about racial prejudice.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43335033]You have to engage in some impressive mental gymnastics to read that quote and say that it wasn't about racial prejudice.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]“to see if I were to hit a black person, would this be nationally televised?”[/QUOTE]
Yeah... those mental gymnastics... like reading what he actually said.
[editline]28th December 2013[/editline]
Let me rephrase his statement: If I hit a black person, then it will be media televised.
[quote]In other videos, the FBI said, Mr. Barrett uses racial epithets and says blacks “haven’t fully experienced the blessing of evolution.”[/quote]
[editline]28th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=sgman91;43335045]Yeah... those mental gymnastics... like [B]reading what he actually said[/B].[/QUOTE]
Tee hee
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43335060][editline]28th December 2013[/editline]
Tee hee[/QUOTE]
What he thinks about black people =/= the reason for the attack. Was he attacking because of his racist ideas or to see if it would be televised?
[QUOTE=sgman91;43335072]What he thinks about black people =/= the reason for the attack. Was he attacking because of his racial ideas or to see if it would be televised?[/QUOTE]
Maybe it was [I]both[/I]??? Things can have multiple motivations, you know!
[QUOTE]Barrett filmed the attack on his cellphone, prosecutors said. And in other videos on his phone, he used a derogatory word describing black people and suggested he “found the perfect African American suspect” to go after, according to the federal criminal complaint.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/27/22074834-texan-charged-with-hate-crime-for-knockout-game-hit-denied-bail?lite[/url]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43335078]Maybe it was [I]both[/I]??? Things can have multiple motivations, you know![/QUOTE]
Is there any proof that his main motivation was out of hate for black people? So far it seems his own words are the only evidence that we have and he clearly states the reason for the attack in his own words.
Now, if he had said: "I really need to attack some black guy to put him in his place. Those people don't deserve to walk around pretending to be equal to the rest of us whities" I would be right with you... but that isn't what he said. He said he wanted to see if it would be televised.
Many European countries may have the thought crime of racism as an actual illegal act, but the US doesn't. You are free to be as racist as you want as long as it isn't the direct motivation for action that actively discriminates in a business or criminal venture.
Yeah and it's terribly clear from prior videos that he also chose a black target because of his prejudice for black people
[QUOTE=sgman91;43335099]So far it seems his own words are the only evidence that we have and he clearly states the reason for the attack in his own words.[/QUOTE]
So far it seems like in his words that he doesn't really like black people and specifically targets them for assault.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43335115]So far it seems like in his words that he doesn't really like black people and specifically targets them for assault.[/QUOTE]
Which other black people has he attacked?
[QUOTE=sgman91;43335099]Many European countries may have the thought crime of racism as an actual illegal act, but the US doesn't.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the lesson in European hate crime laws (Which was shit because it is not being racist, it is voicing that racism that is illegal. It's shit because free speech means[I] free speech[/I], but it's also entirely unrelated)
[quote]You are free to be as racist as you want as long as it isn't the direct motivation for action that actively discriminates in a business or criminal venture.[/quote]
Right and that is the argument. Did the statements he made and the attitudes he presented in prior videos represent a motive for the attack? I believe yes, that he chose a black target both as a sort of social experiment regarding race-crimes in the media and because he has a personal prejudice of black people.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43335122]Right and that is the argument. Did the statements he made and the attitudes he presented in prior videos represent a motive for the attack? I believe yes, that he chose a black target both as a sort of social experiment regarding race-crimes in the media and because he has a personal prejudice of black people.[/QUOTE]
Got it. So being racist and committing a crime against a black person = having your racism as the motivation for the crime, even if a different motive was clearly given.
[QUOTE=sgman91;43335138]Got it. So being racist and committing a crime against a black person = having your racism as the motivation for the crime, even if a different motive was clearly given.[/QUOTE]
People can give different motives? If he gave the motive of "I just really like punching niggers" he'd obviously be slapped with hate crimes without question. Only giving the media motive means that he can deny the hate crime and try to fight it
[QUOTE=Oizen;43331632]White on Black is definitely given more attention then Black on white these days.[/QUOTE]
what do you think is more likely? that white on black is given more attention because there's some kind of nationwide apathy for white victims of hate-crimes, or because it simply happens more often?
[editline]28th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43331673]Thats kind of true in a sense. Many believe that you can't discriminate against people with privilege.[/QUOTE]
no. nobody believes that. you are making shit up. please actually listen to what the hell people are saying to you instead of repeating this meaningless ignorant shit ad nauseam.
[editline]28th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=katbug;43332361]That's not at all what happened
It happened to be popular within some urban communities, which were simply inhabited by black people in a massive majority.
Just because one race is does something doesn't mean that it's automatic racism to declare that a certain group is doing it. It would be like saying that me claiming that most neo nazi's are white is racist.[/QUOTE]
hey dude if you're about to say "the knockout game is mostly played by black people" then you're gonna have to back that up with hard numbers and not sensationalist news articles that are playing the race game in order to get ratings.
This hype has started in my country also, sadly...
Source:
[url]http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/22104654/__nederlands_slachtoffer__knock-out___.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Extronic;43331661]Hate crimes shouldn't exist because most crimes are done on purpose because the criminal [I]hates[/I] the victim of the crime. We shouldn't prosecute differently just because of the reason that the criminal dislikes the victim is racist
[editline]28th December 2013[/editline]
In a way, all crimes are hate crimes[/QUOTE]
I thought Hate Crimes were meant to "terrorize a specific population of people purposely".
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