UK: 850,000 to be eligible for free weight loss surgery to cut down on type 2 diabetes risk
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[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45359563]you get carried around by some other poor bastards.[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of that girl who didn't do any thing for so long, she actually MERGED with her couch and she was stuck, unable to move since the skin was with the couch.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45359433]Does anyone else in his family have that? As sloppy joes said, it can be genetic.[/QUOTE]
Nobody in his immediate family. Perhaps an ancestor could have...
[QUOTE=matt.ant;45359884]Are you sure? that's weight of a small European car
[editline]11th July 2014[/editline]
Actually I was thinking kilograms, never mind[/QUOTE]
Even 800 LBs is probably the weight of some of the smaller shitboxes that are available
It's funny because my A2 Biology paper last month was on this. I genuinely thought they made up all of the experiments and reports in those things.
Part of me feels like people with self inflicted injuries and conditions should have to pay for their own care. Like the morbidly obese, smokers, alcoholics ect. Its totally not worth the drama it'd cause though.
[QUOTE=Midas22;45361767]Part of me feels like people with self inflicted injuries and conditions should have to pay for their own care. Like the morbidly obese, smokers, alcoholics ect. Its totally not worth the drama it'd cause though.[/QUOTE]
Don't have sin taxes over there?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45362203]Don't have sin taxes over there?[/QUOTE]
By sin tax you just mean taxing stuff thats bad for you? A pack of 20 fags is £4 or £5, binge drinking isn't as big a problem as it was 4 years ago and the government has been toying with the idea of a sugar tax.
[QUOTE=Midas22;45362239]By sin tax you just mean taxing stuff thats bad for you? A pack of 20 fags is £4 or £5, binge drinking isn't as big a problem as it was 4 years ago and the government has been toying with the idea of a sugar tax.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty cheap. Cigarettes are 9-12 dollars a pack here, beers are minimum $1.5 a beer at a store, generally 4-8 bucks at a pub.
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I mean, I think a lot of smokers and drinkers more than pay their dues, at least here. It takes years to get cancer, it's not like you're going to have one cigarette and drop dead next week.
"Don't worry, I'll eat whatever I want. I can just get the free surgery if things get out of hand."
[QUOTE=freaka;45359165]I dont understand human beings that become so fat that they develope Diabetes type 2. I understand that you might get a bit overweight when you become older, but becoming a train of fatness is to me, an incredible achievement.[/QUOTE]
You can be underweight and develop type 2 diabetes. It's just that every little bit overweight increases your risk of it. There's no such thing as being "so fat that they develop diabetes" though, there isn't a certain point where diabetes becomes inevitable.
Sounds like an excellent idea to me. The cost savings over paying for obesity-related health problems later in life are immense. Not to mention just having healthier people in general.
And, to the inevitable "fatties should just stop being fat" posters: Nobody rolls out of bed in the morning and decides they want to be fat, idiots. Nobody decides to be poor, yet there are still shitloads of poor people. Therefore, it is not as simple as "You don't deserve help, you should just stop being fat."
There are so many people dying cause they have nothing to eat yet we are trying to save the people who ate too much?
This is stupid...
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I mean i get if its a genuine problem such as injury/or medical issue but I'm going to assume the majority just didn't care till it was a health risk..
Just stop eating junk food? Not that hard. Rice is like $1 for every thousand calories.
There's my chance!
why does it seem like everything in the world, like literally any problem, there's never an actual solution/cure? It's always some 'treatment' to null the effects rather than treat the cause, will it ever be possible to have a future in which we target the exact source of an issue and completely cure it from there?
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45363542]and, to the inevitable "fatties should just stop being fat" posters: Nobody rolls out of bed in the morning and decides they want to be fat, idiots. Nobody decides to be poor, yet there are still shitloads of poor people. Therefore, it is not as simple as "You don't deserve help, you should just stop being fat."[/QUOTE]
are you suggesting that eating junk food is not deciding to be fat? or are you suggesting that people that are fat make use of a healthy diet and proper fitness yet get fat regardless?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45363542]And, to the inevitable "fatties should just stop being fat" posters: Nobody rolls out of bed in the morning and decides they want to be fat, idiots. Nobody decides to be poor, yet there are still shitloads of poor people. Therefore, it is not as simple as "You don't deserve help, you should just stop being fat."[/QUOTE]
That isn't really that good of an argument considering that you don't get fat for no reason.
Most of the time it's a penalty for shitty habits
[QUOTE=Kentz;45359196]If a person doesn't take care of his car, buying a new car will not fix the problem
The same thing applies to healthcare. 70+ % of healthcare visits are self-afflicted problems which could easily have been avoided by taking care of your body and exercising, and making it free will not help, it will solely burden the system and lazy people takes advantage of that[/QUOTE]
It's not buying a new car though. It's washing the dirt and grime off, and tuning it up so it doesn't get dirty again.
[QUOTE=FreeHat;45377723]It's not buying a new car though. It's washing the dirt and grime off, and tuning it up so it doesn't get dirty again.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's like crashing your car and having someone else fix it for free, rather than learning how to fix it yourself and keeping it maintained
[QUOTE=matt.ant;45377818]Yeah, it's like crashing your car and having someone else fix it for free, rather than learning how to fix it yourself and keeping it maintained[/QUOTE]
This is a [I]terrible[/I] analogy because very very very few people will repair their own car after a crash, the vast majority don't even know how. It'll either go to a repair shop or get replaced depending on damage.
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[QUOTE=Viper1204;45364050]I mean i get if its a genuine problem such as injury/or medical issue but I'm going to assume the majority just didn't care till it was a health risk..[/QUOTE]
A lot of people are saying this, but I'm sure if it had to do with smokers or drug addicts needing help, you wouldn't say "That's stupid, it's your own fault you're dying.", would you?
[QUOTE=BeAR!);45377244]The difference being that it is relatively easy to lose weight-[/QUOTE]
I'm just going to stop you there. It is NOT easy. I know from firsthand experience. Losing weight is by far the hardest thing I have ever done. There is nothing simple or easy about it. Nor is undergoing surgery to fix it, or dealing with the consequences of that surgery.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;45379070]i can only see obesity becoming more of a problem as time goes by, most jobs are being relegated to the whole sitting in a cubical doing menial number crunching so its easy to see why people are getting fat if all they can do for a living is sit and type/do tech support[/QUOTE]
That and healthy food being stupidly expensive.
What about if its not about being a munching fatlord and instead people might actually need it, like my mother who is on medication that makes her put on wait to help her from having psychosis and losing it a third time... There are a lot of reasons people get fat, and greed isn't one of them in a lot of cases.
[QUOTE=thatsaxi;45377017]Just stop eating junk food? Not that hard. Rice is like $1 for every thousand calories.[/QUOTE]
Just stop smoking cigarettes? Not that hard.
Just stop gambling? Not that hard.
Just stop drinking? Not that hard.
Just stop taking heroin? Not that hard.
Addictions are hard to get rid of, and a lot of the food is specifically engineered to be as addictive as possible.
This article goes into that, its about food in America but I wouldn't doubt that a lot of it applies to the UK also.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/food-addiction-could-it-e_b_764863.html[/url]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;45379070]i can only see obesity becoming more of a problem as time goes by, most jobs are being relegated to the whole sitting in a cubical doing menial number crunching so its easy to see why people are getting fat if all they can do for a living is sit and type/do tech support[/QUOTE]
Plus companies cut corners and food gets less healthy, although this is more of a problem in the US than Europe, but it exists there too. Plus due to corner cutting and mass production, unhealthy food is far more accessible than healthy food.
Funnily enough, a year or two ago, a similar thing was going on in my town, as the reward for a "contest".
I got one of the emails personally.
However, only people who "gave to the community" were selected, and you couldn't nominate yourself. I don't know who won, but it should be expected that they've gained some of the weight back, if not all of it.
Better food needs to be more accessible rather than handing out free tummy-tucks.
[QUOTE=Valnar;45381457]Just stop smoking cigarettes? Not that hard.
Just stop gambling? Not that hard.
Just stop drinking? Not that hard.
Just stop taking heroin? Not that hard.
Addictions are hard to get rid of, and a lot of the food is specifically engineered to be as addictive as possible.
This article goes into that, its about food in America but I wouldn't doubt that a lot of it applies to the UK also.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/food-addiction-could-it-e_b_764863.html[/url][/QUOTE]
If it was so easy, nobody would do any of those things.
Maybe its cheaper to give people surgery and prevent diabetes rather than treat people for it.
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