• Gary Oldman Rants About Political Correctness, Defends Mel Gibson And Alec Baldwin
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Gary no Stop You seemed so cool
meanwhile moguls in hollywood get away wholesale with rape, murder, and pedophilia
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45203057]Thats a huge offense to compare what we were to what kids are nowadays. I've never been a shitbag, and that I can guarantee.[/QUOTE] I dunno you're kind of coming off as one now mate
[QUOTE]I think it’s like, take a fucking joke. Get over it ... No one can take a joke anymore[/QUOTE] He couldn't of said it better, you make like one iffy joke that may be seen as offensive and all of a sudden you've started world war 3 Even if your intention was nothing to cause offence, bad luck.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;45202689]Maybe not world war 2 obviously but there was never a war in Europe after that one, was there?!?! Coincidence? i think not.[/QUOTE] Yugoslavian Crisis No fun allowed
[QUOTE=uzikus;45201663]Supertrue.[/QUOTE] You guys are so full of shit. If anything comedy is getting raunchier.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45203539]You guys are so full of shit. If anything comedy is getting raunchier.[/QUOTE] Comedy's always been raunchy, mate. Hell, Mozart wrote a song about licking assholes.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45203539]You guys are so full of shit. If anything comedy is getting raunchier.[/QUOTE] B- but tumblr...
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;45203574]Comedy's always been raunchy, mate. Hell, Mozart wrote a song about licking assholes.[/QUOTE] You can put a lot more on screen now than 50 years ago.
Here's the song, BTW [video=youtube;C78HBp-Youk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C78HBp-Youk[/video]
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;45203574]Comedy's always been raunchy, mate. Hell, Mozart wrote a song about licking assholes.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying it's not on a downward trend. There was a tiny sliver of a PC trend in the 90s, but there was also corresponding backlash in things like South Park. Now all these ~90s kids~ on their high horses about our generation still parrot the anti-PC message as if it's still relevant. It also doesn't help that the media now milks it for all it's worth because reactionary outrage sells big.
[QUOTE=seano12;45202437]I like Mel Gibson's movies.[/QUOTE] So do I, but he's still an anti-semitic dickhead
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45203057]Thats a huge offense to compare what we were to what kids are nowadays. I've never been a shitbag, and that I can guarantee.[/QUOTE] If you really want to split kids up, split them up into shitheads, regular kids and glued to the fucking high horse fedora tipping le meme shitheads. You're in the last right now.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;45203667]So do I, but he's still an anti-semetic dickhead[/QUOTE] *anti-semitic
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45203057]I've never been a shitbag, and that I can guarantee.[/QUOTE] your posts are completely contradictory to this
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45202054]The whole rant reminds me of how a classic meltdown on Facepunch sounds like when it starts[/QUOTE] it may sound funny over the internet but for the person on the other end could be suffering pretty bad i've had a couple of meltdowns (and not over the internet) and nearly snapped and started violently attacking people that looked at me with an ugly look, of course i have ptsd so really it doesn't help but still even i know i need help but mainly refuse because all their going to do is shove pills down my throat. That all i really have to say about that. as for the topic defending mel gibson wasn't the smartest move i do agree that everyone in this current gen has a very fucked up sense of reality though
[QUOTE=confinedUser;45203852] defending mel gibson wasn't the smartest move i do agree that everyone in this current gen has a very fucked up sense of reality though[/QUOTE] are you not part of this generation? how can you tell other people they have a fucked up sense of reality when you yourself just admitted you too have a fucked up sense of reality?
[QUOTE=confinedUser;45203852]this current gen has a very fucked up sense of reality[/QUOTE] And what exactly do you mean by this?
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;45203490][QUOTE=Superkilll307;45202689]Maybe not world war 2 obviously but there was never a war in Europe after that one, was there?!?! Coincidence? i think not. [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;45201485]Fun fact: I have never actually claimed that Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Yugoslavian Crisis No fun allowed[/QUOTE] The Jews.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45202225]I actually understand how people can say it over and over again like that. I compare my generation to the generation of today, and all I see is filth. Kids these days are douchebags who apparently copy each other forming this blight of pure shit made of swag and stupid crap nobody should care about. A kid these days gets more attention from his peers for having 200$ Nike sneakers that look like crap and the word OBEY written either on their sweater or cap full of stickers, than for actually having responsibility, a certain degree of intelligence and respect for others. If you don't have any of the first, you're a social outcast, a fucking rebel. And now that I think about it, this sort of happened to me. Difference was, showing the stuff that actually does matter actually worked and changed the views of someone who was actually important to me... But yeah, the generation of today is going down the shitter. And before coming off with "oh your generation was probably shit aswell" and "stop being uptight" and all that crap... The people of my generation actually bonded with each other for actualy good reasons instead of wether you had the most expensive watch or sneakers or if you had the shortest skirt out of all the girls or how much you partied till you went blank...[/QUOTE] "hmmpf! what's with kids these days? i don't get their stupid clothing, their stupid video games, their stupid trends and blogs..." this post is a whole mess of words, but it isn't saying anything if you're honestly going to have a grudge about this kind of stuff, then you must be a very boring and indignant person. nothing you described is hurting you, at all. get over it. you need to grow up instead of whining about the 'latest trend'
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;45201485]Fun fact: I have never actually claimed that Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.[/QUOTE] That, to me, is the reason this kind of thing should be taken seriously. If I'm drunk and start 'joking' about about an ethnic group or what have you, that tells you what I"m [i]really[/i] thinking. It's when I'm sober and in control of myself that you get the false front. So when a Mel Gibson starts going off like that, instead of excusing it I say to myself "Oh, so that's what he's really about?".
I am not defending what Mel Gibsons intentions were with his drunken remarks, because I feel he genuinely hates all jewish people, but I agree with oldman in that people should not get so fucking offended and not latch on to pointless shit and move on with their lives. I think people should think rationally and analyze things and stop kneejerking to literally everything that might upset you. And maybe perhaps, not take life so seriously.
You guys say not to take things seriously and yet you get indignant when someone doesn't share this view and develop generally pessimistic views of human nature as a consequence. If it's just a joke, it stands to reason that it's also just a reaction. Move on.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;45204335]That, to me, is the reason this kind of thing should be taken seriously. If I'm drunk and start 'joking' about about an ethnic group or what have you, that tells you what I"m [i]really[/i] thinking. It's when I'm sober and in control of myself that you get the false front. So when a Mel Gibson starts going off like that, instead of excusing it I say to myself "Oh, so that's what he's really about?".[/QUOTE]For the most part I agree, but people do/say retarded things when they're drunk so that's definitely not always the case. I just hate how people go "well I was drunk forgive me :(" and honestly expect that's all they need to get off the hook. Somebody took a shit on the floor in my bathroom once and I was apparently a huge asshole for making them clean it up because they had a hangover. Even besides the whole raging drunk thing, if somebody is a bigot I don't care about that. If I got bent out of shape every time somebody had different views than I do or were flat out fucking wrong, I'd have gone thoroughly crazy years ago. Even if somebody went up to Mel Gibson and was like "yo, Mel, stop hating the Jews," I doubt that would make a difference in his mind. Very rarely do I get truly offended about anything, even if it's directed at or about a particular group I'm a part of. I just accept that people have all sorts of views reinforced by a lot of things that may or may not be true, I can say whatever but ultimately they control what they believe.
[QUOTE]UPDATE: The Anti-Defamation League issued a statement in response to Oldman's remarks in Playboy: “Gary Oldman’s remarks irresponsibly feed into a classic anti-Semitic canard about supposed Jewish control of Hollywood and the film industry,” said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "He should know better than to repeat and give credence to tired anti-Semitic tropes. Mel Gibson’s ostracization in Hollywood was not a matter of being ‘politically incorrect,’ as Mr. Oldman suggests, but of paying the consequences for outing himself as a bigot and a hater. It is disturbing that Mr. Oldman appears to have bought into Mr. Gibson’s warped and prejudiced world view.”[/QUOTE] Bunch of idiots
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;45203057]Thats a huge offense to compare what we were to what kids are nowadays. I've never been a shitbag, and that I can guarantee.[/QUOTE] really now?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45204868]Bunch of idiots[/QUOTE]I don't know how it's anti-Semitic to say Hollywood is "controlled" by the Jews when a large chunk of the producers and studio owners are Jewish or have Jewish heritage. :l So if some guy who's heavily involved in the film industry says really not nice things about the Jews some night, it doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out he's going to have a hard time finding work. [editline]24th June 2014[/editline] To clarify, before somebody starts to cry: I don't think that's a good or bad thing, it's just how things have played out. I think it's kind of funny how "the Jews" is often used to refer to two or more Jews, as if they were some type of collective.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45202419]Not quite. You don't have to be racist yourself to use a racial slur against somebody.[/QUOTE] I'm having a hard time imagining the context in which somebody could use a racial slur in an offensive gesture and not be racist, how could you use a racial slur [I]to verbally degrade somebody[/I] as being a member of their "race," and not be a racist for doing so? Using racial slurs is just generally bad, at least, beyond using a racial slur in reference or for literary explanation, because really, saying something like "the n word" in place of "nigger" is just evasive paraphrasing even though everybody knows what you mean anyways. But generally speaking, an insult is used to verbally degrade somebody. You call somebody an idiot, because being an "idiot" is a bad thing. You call somebody "a piece of shit" because pieces of shit are bad. Logically, if you call somebody a racial slur of your choosing as an insult, wouldn't that mean you think that -x ethnicity/race- is a bad thing? Maybe I'm just being obtuse, but honestly you didn't provide any context examples whatsoever in your post. You just made a dubious statement and didn't support it with any reasoning or examples.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45202419]Not quite. You don't have to be racist yourself to use a racial slur against somebody.[/QUOTE] i dunno. i think things have to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. language is an ever-changing thing and is largely based on context. the larger context is that any racial/homophobic/whatever slur is a bad thing purely because you are attaching negativity to a group of people. saying "that's so gay" when what you really mean is "that sucks" is obviously a negative thing. that said, in the right context, it isn't offensive at all because most people understand that in a lot of contexts, the word has lost meaning. in certain contexts, gay means happy, in others it means homosexuality, in others it is just a vague negative word. while obviously the history of that is really bad and shows a deep-routed homophobia in our modern language use, i think it can be pretty much excused in certain environments and situations that said you'd have to be a massively deep-seated bigot/racist/homophobe/moron to be in a public forum and start ranting on about jews, 'niggers', 'fags', and whatever else, no matter how drunk you are
i liked the part where he called nancy pelosi a useless cunt
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