• House passes bill to defund Obongocare
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Free surgery and hospital appointments, free dental care and doctor visits till the age of 18 and and only a $40 fee for an ambulance callout. Go new zealand
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42270497]that's super disconnected from reality. I'd love for my girlfriend to be covered. But she's a college student with a minimum wage job, who can't claim independent from her father who provides no financial support until she's 24, has a kid, gets married, or joins the army. The reality is a lot of people can't afford it.[/QUOTE] Which proves my point. It's not that she doesn't "bother" with coverage, she SHOULD have coverage, but she can't afford it. The whole point of the Affordable Care Act is to make it so people like her can have coverage. Whether it does its job is the issue.
[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;42270937]If her father has insurance she can be added to his policy. One of the positive things obamacare does...[/QUOTE] The abolishment of pre-existing conditions preventing you from getting coverage is pretty nice too.
[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;42270937]If her father has insurance she can be added to his policy. One of the positive things obamacare does...[/QUOTE] He does not. He's a Mexican immigrant who doesn't believe in that sort of thing, but he's not himself well off anyway. He owns his own small business so he doesn't have it provided to him. [editline]22nd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Helix Snake;42271749]Which proves my point. It's not that she doesn't "bother" with coverage, she SHOULD have coverage, but she can't afford it. The whole point of the Affordable Care Act is to make it so people like her can have coverage. Whether it does its job is the issue.[/QUOTE] Well I need to look into it more. One thing it certainly didn't do well was inform the public. I still don't fully understand how to claim the subsidy, what the qualifications are etc.
[QUOTE=Megafan;42257461]You know there are more people in Europe than in the US, right?[/QUOTE] You know there are 50 sovereign states in Europe right?
The American healthcare system is neither private nor public, it's a fucking mess.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42274240] Well I need to look into it more. One thing it certainly didn't do well was inform the public. I still don't fully understand how to claim the subsidy, what the qualifications are etc.[/QUOTE] October 1 is when states first open up the insurance "marketplace" so plan info and hopefully subsidy qualifications will be available then. Your state should have a page on their website detailing this by then.
Republicans holding the nation at gunpoint. Nothing new here. They should be lined up against a wall and fucking [B]shot[/B].
why do americans hate functioning healthcare systems? genuine question
Because no one can get along and make up their fucking minds. Just big babies waving their dicks about. Having two parties doesn't lead to a system of checks and balances, it just leads to bickering and getting nothing done.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42278234]why do americans hate functioning healthcare systems? genuine question[/QUOTE] We don't. The GOP does not represent the majority of us, the reason they have a majority in the House is because of their gerrymandering of districts.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42278234]why do americans hate functioning healthcare systems? genuine question[/QUOTE] Functioning? American health care works quite well- the best in the world actually... The issue is affordability, insurance availability, and costs in general.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;42278297]We don't. The GOP does not represent the majority of us, the reason they have a majority in the House is because of their gerrymandering of districts.[/QUOTE] why do the republicans hate healthcare then? it just seems like it should be a basic service that should be offered to all [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=H8Entitlement;42278327]Functioning? American health care works quite well- the best in the world actually... The issue is affordability, insurance availability, and costs in general.[/QUOTE] you don't have a functioning healthcare system if people financially cripple themselves to get lifesaving treatments and doctors perform unnecessary operations and prescribe unnecessary drugs in order to gouge more money out of people. the fact that you can it the best in the world is laughable
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;42278280]Because no one can get along and make up their fucking minds. Just big babies waving their dicks about. Having two parties doesn't lead to a system of checks and balances, it just leads to bickering and getting nothing done.[/QUOTE] Two party systems work when they are held accountable for their actions, and when the threat of a third party encourages them to do better. Neither of those things are true in the USA, though.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;42278297]We don't. The GOP does not represent the majority of us, the reason they have a majority in the House is because of their gerrymandering of districts.[/QUOTE] tbh American's in general hold some responsibility for putting Republicans into office. Their party represents the far right fringe but has genuine legislative power.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;42278297]We don't. The GOP does not represent the majority of us, the reason they have a majority in the House is because of their gerrymandering of districts.[/QUOTE] I'm from Illinois and it has the worst gerrymandering ever in Democrat favor. Face it, roughly half of Americans actually vote Republican and genuinely agree with the platform.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42279239]Face it, roughly half of Americans actually vote Republican and genuinely agree with the platform.[/QUOTE] That's because that's what this country was built on, was founded to be, and was meant to be, a Constitutional Republic. Not a Democracy.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42255790]Where was the outrage there[/QUOTE] Libertarians were pissed but the Republicans didn't really notice.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42278356]why do the republicans hate healthcare then? it just seems like it should be a basic service that should be offered to all [/QUOTE] You just answered your own question there. Insurance companies and the medical industry can't make money if people don't have to pay out the ass to save their lives.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42278356]why do the republicans hate healthcare then? it just seems like it should be a basic service that should be offered to all[/QUOTE] Because Obama's the one that proposed it.
[QUOTE=lavacano;42280476]Because Obama's the one that proposed it.[/QUOTE] It was a Republican who coconated the current version. How it got through congress is a mystery
Can anyone actually explain what was so bad about ObamaCare? Apart from the stupid name. From what I've heard it's just like Australia's medicare, but maybe I'm missing something vital.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42278356]why do the republicans hate healthcare then? it just seems like it should be a basic service that should be offered to all [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] you don't have a functioning healthcare system if people financially cripple themselves to get lifesaving treatments and doctors perform unnecessary operations and prescribe unnecessary drugs in order to gouge more money out of people. the fact that you can it the best in the world is laughable[/QUOTE] Some of the reasons I was offered when discussing this were "You should have healthcare through your job" and that taxes were too high (something closer to 5% was preferable), as well as public sector incompetence. Also that if it's publicized then there's no "choice", ie. cannot choose a cheaper option with less provisions. Apparently if there's no choice there would be a shitty overpriced healthcare monopoly. Whether there's any truth or not to that is out of my knowledge, just what was said.
The U.S. enjoys some of the lowest tax rates, both corporate and individual, in the Western world. People who say taxes are too high are ridiculous. And while it would be nice to have healthcare through your job, there's no way minimum wage employers are gonna let that happen. Plus that gives small business the shaft but hey they're not the ones buying politicians right?
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42283976]The U.S. enjoys some of the lowest tax rates, both corporate and individual, in the Western world. People who say taxes are too high are ridiculous. And while it would be nice to have healthcare through your job, there's no way minimum wage employers are gonna let that happen. Plus that gives small business the shaft but hey they're not the ones buying politicians right?[/QUOTE] Usually companies are tax except on that area if they're earning under a set boundary and over that it slowly ramps up.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;42261574]What is your opinion on abolishing health insurance period? What about forcing health services to be non-profit?[/QUOTE] Non profits are not above bullshit, especially in the United States. That might help assuming you could implement it (good luck), but it will in no way solve anything.
[QUOTE=Glent;42281376]Some of the reasons I was offered when discussing this were "You should have healthcare through your job"[/QUOTE] Yet this is one of the provisions in the bill that was argued against, and several companies have cut hours between employees specifically to avoid doing this. If they won't do it under law, they will [I]never[/I] do it out of their own good will. [QUOTE=Glent;42281376]and that taxes were too high (something closer to 5% was preferable), as well as public sector incompetence.[/QUOTE] Good luck running the country on that. Before you know it, even the interstate would be replaced with a gravel road. [QUOTE=Glent;42281376]Apparently if there's no choice there would be a shitty overpriced healthcare monopoly.[/QUOTE] This is literally our healthcare system in it's current state. We have the most expensive healthcare in the world. Privatization adds monetary motive which drives prices [I]up[/I], not down.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42283976]The U.S. enjoys some of the lowest tax rates, both corporate and individual, in the Western world. People who say taxes are too high are ridiculous. And while it would be nice to have healthcare through your job, there's no way minimum wage employers are gonna let that happen. Plus that gives small business the shaft but hey they're not the ones buying politicians right?[/QUOTE] Americans are too busy buying things they don't need on credit to notice this. How else are they going to fund their rampant consumerism otherwise? Ending is better than mending. [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42286305] This is literally our healthcare system in it's current state. We have the most expensive healthcare in the world. Privatization adds monetary motive which drives prices [I]up[/I], not down.[/QUOTE] but-but-but free market, rabble rabble rabble
No system based on preserving a healthy population should have a monetary motive. People's lives are not a commodity to be traded and bartered.
[QUOTE=Reshy;42286364]No system based on preserving a healthy population should have a monetary motive. People's lives are not a commodity to be traded and bartered.[/QUOTE] You mean should be. You're talking about morals not about objective facts. Anything is a commodity if people are willing to pay for it.
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