Trenton, NJ Teen Curfew: Teens Out Past Midnight Will Go to Church
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50533002]Given that this is a nation-wide thing (not the church part, just curfew), then obviously your interpretation is wrong.[/QUOTE]
Looking into it further I can see that 4 out of 5 states in the US employ such a law. Though, I wouldn't say it's nation wide because from what I've read it seems to be an area by population based decision. For example, New york has this law, though it is only employed in high population areas. That is to keep minors away from the harm of crime that could be committed on them. Not to protect the neighborhoods from crime commited by youth, which is what this article infers.
For a place like trenton to enforce this, with a population of 84 thousand, compared to a city like newyork, with upwards of 8 million, I can't see the need for this.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50533003]How old are you?[/QUOTE]
25. Point?
If you're trying to prove age as a means for insulting someone, then consider your coming into this thread and your only post is asking someone of their age with the intent to insult.
Then imagine how old people must think you are.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50533168]25. Point?
If you're trying to prove age as a means for insulting someone, then consider your coming into this thread and your only post is asking someone of their age with the intent to insult.
Then imagine how old people must think you are.[/QUOTE]
I just find it bizarre how you think curfew for minors = police state
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50533183]I just find it bizarre how you think curfew for minors = police state[/QUOTE]
The word curfew, enforced by government personnel, sets off alarm bells for me automatically, regardless of age, country and government.
There are reasons for curfew. But those reasons are typically reserved for extreme situations such as state of emergency and other instances of that nature.
In this particular case, it seems like an over reaction to a few incidents that are leaving a very sour taste in the mouth of a neighborhood, rightfully so. But people do make irrational decisions when motivated by emotion.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50533168]Looking into it further I can see that 4 out of 5 states in the US employ such a law. Though, I wouldn't say it's nation wide because from what I've read it seems to be an area by population based decision. For example, New york has this law, though it is only employed in high population areas. That is to keep minors away from the harm of crime that could be committed on them. Not to protect the neighborhoods from crime commited by youth, which is what this article infers.
For a place like trenton to enforce this, with a population of 84 thousand, compared to a city like newyork, with upwards of 8 million, I can't see the need for this.[/QUOTE]
84 thousand is still a large population, though?
Besides that, I don't see what population size has any relevancy to it.
[quote]25. Point?
If you're trying to prove age as a means for insulting someone, then consider your coming into this thread and your only post is asking someone of their age with the intent to insult.
Then imagine how old people must think you are.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you take a breather, taking such a huge offense to a simple question.
[editline]16th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50532808]Ah, so it's a slippery-slope for nanny state, then.[/QUOTE]
DiBBs27, I see you rated a star for this post. I hope you realize I was meant this as an opposition to your post. A slippery-slope is a logical fallacy, one of which you've committed if you actually agree with what I said here.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50533249]84 thousand is still a large population, though?
Besides that, I don't see what population size has any relevancy to it.
Why don't you take a breather, taking such a huge offense to a simple question.[/QUOTE]
Well, Firstly, I don't think it's out of the question to take offense when someone who hasn't been involved in the thread joins in specifically to ask someones age. It isn't a simple question, it's more so a loaded question. Taking offense doesn't mean i'm becoming belligerent, I'm simply trying to state my opinion in the topic and questions like that seem less relevant and unnecessary.
In any event, Population plays a major role in the decision for curfew. Its basically a numbers game, the higher the population, the more chance something bad will happen. It's just human nature. Thats why new york has a higher crime rate than buford wyoming. It is very much relevant.
To me this curfew decision, like i said in an early post seems more like a knee jerk reaction rather than a decision based on statistics.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50533249]
DiBBs27, I see you rated a star for this post. I hope you realize I was meant this as an opposition to your post. A slippery-slope is a logical fallacy, one of which you've committed if you actually agree with what I said here.[/QUOTE]
Oh! well on the contrary I assumed you were stating that a nanny state is a slippery slope to becoming a police state. Which it is.
What part of "slippery slope is a argumentative fallacy" didn't you see :v:
let the fucking parents worry about this shit ffs
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50533332]What part of "slippery slope is a argumentative fallacy" didn't you see :v:[/QUOTE]
I disagree with you that it's a fallacy, at least in this case.
I know what you're trying to say. The action does not necessarily represent the projected outcome. Right, but in this case when your government is trying to control a population, police state is literally the next thought process after nanny state, especially if the nanny state does not yield the required results.
Just because you claim something as a logical fallacy does not make it true. That in itself is a fallacy.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;50532986]Curfews are not a new concept to US cities. This particular kind of punishment(?) for breaking it might be but if curfews are the "slippery slope" point then tons of cities are way past it.[/QUOTE]
Like most "steps towards tyranny", this one was taken decades or centuries ago.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50533332]What part of "slippery slope is a argumentative fallacy" didn't you see :v:[/QUOTE]
A fallacy fallacy? scorpius I thought better of you.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50532537]Guys are worried about kids being forced to go to church but you gotta realize, this is a [I]punishment[/I] :v:[/QUOTE]
using religion to punish or scare kids is not exactly uncommon
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50533239]The word curfew, enforced by government personnel, sets off alarm bells for me automatically, regardless of age, country and government.
There are reasons for curfew. But those reasons are typically reserved for extreme situations such as state of emergency and other instances of that nature.
In this particular case, it seems like an over reaction to a few incidents that are leaving a very sour taste in the mouth of a neighborhood, rightfully so. But people do make irrational decisions when motivated by emotion.[/QUOTE]
The reason for the curfew is because minors shouldn't be out late at night. It's as simple as that.
I can see that the police *might* check up on a few youngsters being out late, and then call their mom and dad or whatever if they're not aware of it or whatever, but this is just ridiculous. If I gave my children permission to go outside that's not because I want to pick them up at a church, it's because I think they should be allowed to.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50534477]The reason for the curfew is because minors shouldn't be out late at night. It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Why? 16-17 year olds can certainly be responsible enough to be alone, there's no reason for governments to make that decision for the parents at night time.
Young hoodlums might commit crimes late at night, but you shouldn't have a freedom as basic as being outside restricted based on what other people do and I see no reason minors should be an exception.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50534477]The reason for the curfew is because minors shouldn't be out late at night. It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Thats a ridiculous way of looking at it.
I don't know about you, but when i was a minor I used to stay out late with my friends all the time past midnight. Because that's what kids do!
I can understand this for a children 14 and under, but teens tend to want to hang out late, this curfew made by out of touch greying old men has no bearing on stopping crime.
This is kind of funny
I grew up in Trenton, place is a big ghetto, lot of crime, and even more kids trying to be hardass thugs. This is going to piss people off, especially the rabid teenagers :v:
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50534477]The reason for the curfew is because minors shouldn't be out late at night. It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
I really wonder if we're doing our kids any favours by preventing them from experiencing life at a young age and limiting them to only tangential experiences and ones that are on the internet, as well as punishing them for existing as kids and doing kids like things.
i know first hand Trenton is a shit hole but this is still pretty absurd. honestly not sure who actually thinks dropping kids off at a church will stop the intense amount of crime there, not to mention there probably won't even be that many caught and compliant to begin with
OH no not a church now im angry guys me and my shallow atheist beliefs are angry at this outrage. If they took them to a dollar general or a dennys id be not angry but a church is such an outrage.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;50537126]OH no not a church now im angry guys me and my shallow atheist beliefs are angry at this outrage. If they took them to a dollar general or a dennys id be not angry but a church is such an outrage.[/QUOTE]
not even an atheist but I think the government sending someone to church as punishment is absolutely retarded
[QUOTE=ColdWave;50537126]OH no not a church now im angry guys me and my shallow atheist beliefs are angry at this outrage. If they took them to a dollar general or a dennys id be not angry but a church is such an outrage.[/QUOTE]
Why are police being allowed to detain and then sentence anyone without a trial? Because that's what this is.
Choosing a church over a more neutral option is besides the point, but is never the less stupid in its own right because there absolutely should be a separation of church and state.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;50537126]OH no not a church now im angry guys me and my shallow atheist beliefs are angry at this outrage. If they took them to a dollar general or a dennys id be not angry but a church is such an outrage.[/QUOTE]
Would you feel any different if they took them to a church of Scientology?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;50535609]Maybe if they did the state wouldn't have stepped in..[/QUOTE]
"If your kid is out past 12 you're a bad parent"
Not everyone is equally (over)protective of their kids.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50532537]Guys are worried about kids being forced to go to church but you gotta realize, this is a [I]punishment[/I] :v:[/QUOTE]
Except it still violates the separation of church and state.
separation of church and state *COUGH COUGH*
Is it so hard to drive them to 'not religiously inclined centers'
[editline]17th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50532537]Guys are worried about kids being forced to go to church but you gotta realize, this is a [I]punishment[/I] :v:[/QUOTE]
I wonder if you would still object if people who make a traffic transgression have to religiously fast ordered by the state...
That's gotta be the most nanniest state yet, telling a 17-year-old teenager when they must come home.
It speaks for how much trust, and freedom, the state places in their citizens and their families.
Apparently the state has shitty gun laws too, and related practices like arbitrary judge's decisions.
What's next, the state telling you when to eat, when to shit?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50548579]That's gotta be the most nanniest state yet, telling a 17-year-old teenager when they must come home.
It speaks for how much trust, and freedom, the state places in their citizens and their families.[/quote]
If the parents don't do it, the state will.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50548579]Apparently the state has shitty gun laws too, and related practices like arbitrary judge's decisions. [/quote]
It does, but so do a lot of other places in the world so I haven't a clue why this is related.
[quote]What's next, the state telling you when to eat, when to shit?[/QUOTE]
Soda tax :v:
Cant you sue the state for constitution breach? i am pretty sure there is an amendment about separation of church and state (correct if im wrong)
I always wondered if curfew applies to you if you're not from the city. Let's say you were visiting a family member or something and you decide to walk to the corner store and you get stopped by the police and they try to take you to church. Can you tell them that your not from the city to get off
[QUOTE=dennistrane;50549257]I always wondered if curfew applies to you if you're not from the city. Let's say you were visiting a family member or something and you decide to walk to the corner store and you get stopped by the police and they try to take you to church. Can you tell them that your not from the city to get off[/QUOTE]
Being from another place doesn't bar you from obeying their laws.
I can't go to another country and break laws just to say "oh sorry, not from around here so it's cool".
[editline]19th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;50549225]Cant you sue the state for constitution breach? i am pretty sure there is an amendment about separation of church and state (correct if im wrong)[/QUOTE]
Probably could, but no one will.
The law doesn't affect anyone who can't vote anyway.
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