• Local workers fired after not going to work on ‘A Day Without Immigrants’
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[QUOTE=Valdor;51848025]Huh, didn't know that. Wish this section had more of the fun ratings, guess we'll see how this fairs in court[/QUOTE] Well, in the Walmart case iirc all the workers had to be reinstated and all disciplinary actions revoked. There may have also been monetary damages awarded. So if this goes to court it might end very badly for these companies seeing as how they're now topically famous and probably not quite as powerful as Walmart.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51848031]If the immigrants were illegal, they have no rights.[/QUOTE] I mean they are human you know
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51847954]A. Protesting isn't supposed to be convenient. It's supposed to disrupt the status quo in a peaceful way to draw attention to the cause. B. federally sponsored xenophobia and discrimination that effects hundreds of thousands of people is a "dumb reason" now? Is having a deathly ill family member dying in hospital a "dumb reason" to miss work too since it doesn't effect [I]your[/I] physical capability to do work? We as a species sorta have this thing called empathy and it'd be pretty great if you could engage it for a minute to think about the situation in a little more human capacity. [/QUOTE] I don't disagree with the majority of your points, but I would like to say, specifically regarding Points A & B: As the son of an immigrant and someone soon to be a future immigrant as well (whenever the hell my PR application to Canada gets processed), xenophobia and discrimination are two issues we're already braced for, federally sponsored or not, doubly so if your skin color happens to not be white. From an institutional level to a personal level, we're inured to it existing and it doesn't really ravage our minds on a daily basis. If anything, we work *despite* this shit and that's what makes us stronger. However, a family member dying in hospital does fuck up a person (immigrant or non-immigrant), and is a good example of emergency leaves given on as much a compassionate grounds as it is a safety and compliance basis. If I'm stressed and upset, I sure as hell shouldn't be in an operational environment where other people's lives and/or the company's money is at risk. It makes sense, then, to give the employee the time they need to fix things and get back when they're well. There are examples of the above example not happening here in India, for example security guards not getting their leaves sanctioned for valid reasons (parents dying, etc.) which resulted in them losing it and shooting their CO's with their service weapons before killing themselves out of depression. So both of them aren't nearly on the same level to be compared.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51847971]Like I said, fuck the rights of the worker.[/QUOTE] Yeah, fuck their coworkers too, the ones that now had a shit ton of extra work and extended shifts, and fuck the people who had they day off for important shit but now had to come in because 18 of their dipshit coworkers refused to come in for work. Fuck the company and it's reputatuon when it can't complete contracts on time too, I bet all of those cock suckers voted for trump and his immigration policies! I'd understand your argument if the company had fired them for asking the time off to protest but they fired them for not fullfilling their obligations as an employee, not because they're immigrants. The company is still run by people just like us, who lose money and can lose their business if contracts arent fullfilled at which point everyone loses their job. The company even said in the statement they're working on a way to better deal with this in the future, so it's not likey they're ignorant to their concerns as immigrants.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51848035]I mean they are human you know[/QUOTE] Ive stated I have as much empathy for others as the world has had for me. Which is zero. I have had heard rumors that illegals are hired due to how much less taxes and red tape there is for them vs those who are legal.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51848031]If the immigrants were illegal, they have no rights.[/QUOTE] Correct, the IRCA of 1986 basically killed all workplace rights for illegal immigrants through and through. However for the workers who are legal workers, this doesn't bode well.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51848045]Ive stated I have as much empathy for others as the world has had for me. Which is zero. I have had heard rumors that illegals are hired due to how much less taxes and red tape there is for them vs those who are legal.[/QUOTE] I don't think a guy who says he has 0 empathy for other human beings should be at the table when it comes to discussions of human rights
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51848054]I don't think a guy who says he has 0 empathy for other human beings should be at the table when it comes to discussions of human rights[/QUOTE] I doubt some one whose only line of argument is passive aggressive shaming as their only rebuttal should be taken seriously. If you wanna be a manipultive jerk rag, then I say it is you who lacks more empathy then me. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Hezzy))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51848045]Ive stated I have as much empathy for others as the world has had for me. Which is zero. I have had heard rumors that illegals are hired due to how much less taxes and red tape there is for them vs those who are legal.[/QUOTE] Pretty edgy tbh. Just because you've been wronged before doesn't mean you should go about wronging people. That's not healthy, and it surly doesn't make your life any happier does it? It takes a strong man to bear hardship, but it takes a stronger man to not unjustly pass that hardship onto others.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51848064]I doubt some one whose only line of argument is passive aggressive shaming as their only rebuttal should be taken seriously. If you wanna be a manipultive jerk rag, then I say it is you who lacks more empathy then me.[/QUOTE] This is literally a "no you" rebuttal.
Apathetic misanthropy doesn't seem like the best way to go about giving people rights.
Does the U.S have laws that allow or prevent this? In Finland strikes and walkouts are usually planned by trade unions beforehand (or rather, they give an advance warning to speed up salary etc. negotiations). Participating in a planned strike is totally legal and you can't get fired for it. Just walking out however can get you fired or at least earn you a warning, protest or not, as far as I know.
i'm conflicted. on one hand protesting is definitely a right of the worker but i wouldn't say it's the right of the worker to do it any time they felt like it; you're in your right to not attend work to protest, but it's not your right to remain unterminated because TECHNICALLY, you are just not showing up to work. against prior warning as well. there is no medical nor familial reason not to attend (these are essentially just human excusings from managers or otherwise) and thus, of course, if you do not fulfill your contract then you get terminated. it'd be something else if, on a day they weren't working, they protested and were subsequently fired, which is what i interpreted that law as; in this case, the workers weren't fired for protesting but were fired for not showing up to work.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;51847929]That doesn't really change anything. That's honestly worse, calling out and fucking over the people who they work for, and their clients to, well, raise awareness, I guess. If they're willing to do that, it was probably a good idea to give them the boot. If you want a job, you need to show up for the job. Don't expect to have one if you just skip a day for dumb reasons.[/QUOTE] A strike is NOT a dumb reason.
[QUOTE=Ta16;51848043]Yeah, fuck their coworkers too, the ones that now had a shit ton of extra work and extended shifts, and fuck the people who had they day off for important shit but now had to come in because 18 of their dipshit coworkers refused to come in for work. Fuck the company and it's reputatuon when it can't complete contracts on time too, I bet all of those cock suckers voted for trump and his immigration policies![/QUOTE] In spite of all that, I think they have the right to protest and not get fired over it.
[QUOTE=eirexe;51848087]A strike is NOT a dumb reason.[/QUOTE] This wasn't a strike. It was a political protest. Also, funnily enough, about 60% of my coworkers are first or second generation hispanic immigrants and none of them protested. Generally, they made fun of the people who did so.
[QUOTE=Zestence;51848078]Does the U.S have laws that allow or prevent this? In Finland strikes and walkouts are usually planned by trade unions beforehand (or rather, they give an advance warning to speed up salary etc. negotiations). Participating in a planned strike is totally legal and you can't get fired for it. Just walking out however can get you fired or at least earn you a warning, protest or not, as far as I know.[/QUOTE] Yes, to summerise what I posted about on the previous page: The National Labor Relations Board and act of the same naming convention protect all legal workers against any actions taken against them by employers for missing work as part of strikes or protests so long as these strikes/protests apply to the rights and working conditions of either themselves or other workers if they are joining in solidarity with another organisation/movement. However, this doesn't apply to illegal immigrants as they have virtually zero rights or protections as workers for obvious reason. [QUOTE=sgman91;51848092]This wasn't a strike. It was a political protest. Also, funnily enough, about 60% of my coworkers are first or second generation hispanic immigrants and none of them protested. Generally, they made fun of the people who did so.[/QUOTE] Call it by whatever name you want, the NLRA covers both protests, strikes and whatever other dictionary run-around you want to try and pull for it, so long as it is in the realm of worker's rights and work conditions.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51848092]This wasn't a strike. It was a political protest.[/QUOTE] Strikes are political protests
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51848099]Strikes are political protests[/QUOTE] But political protests are not necessarily strikes. A strike is specifically against the company in question. This protest had nothing to do with the company. It was against a political party or political policy.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51848101]But political protests are not necessarily strikes. A strike is specifically against the company in question. This protest had nothing to do with the company. It was against a political party or political policy.[/QUOTE] Strikes are not necessarily single company only, general strikes are a thing.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51848101]But political protests are not necessarily strikes. A strike is specifically against the company in question. This protest had nothing to do with the company. It was against a political party or political policy.[/QUOTE] But this was specifically a general strike, which doesn't need to be focused against any one particular company.
[QUOTE=eirexe;51848104]Strikes are not necessarily single company only, general strikes are a thing.[/QUOTE] A strike is still specifically against a company or business decision. A general political protest is not a strike. [editline]19th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;51848105]But this was specifically a general strike, which doesn't need to be focused against any one particular company.[/QUOTE] It wasn't against companies at all. It was against a political policy.
Sgman1, professional splitter of hairs.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51848106]A strike is still specifically against a company or business decision. A general political protest is not a strike. [editline]19th February 2017[/editline] It wasn't against companies at all. It was against a political policy.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Spanish_general_strike"] A political protest can definetly be a strike, my country has done it multiple times.[/URL]
[QUOTE=sgman91;51848106]A strike is still specifically against a company or business decision. A general political protest is not a strike. [editline]19th February 2017[/editline] It wasn't against companies at all. It was against a political policy.[/QUOTE] How is that not a strike? A strike is the stoppage of work due to employee grievances. They stopped work due to grievances. They were on strike.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;51848127]How is that not a strike? A strike is the stoppage of work due to employee grievances. They stopped work due to grievances. They were on strike.[/QUOTE] So every protest where anyone stops working to go is a strike (so, all of them), then. Cool. You've effectively taken all meaning out of the work "strike."
[QUOTE=sgman91;51848131][b]So every protest where anyone stops working to go is a strike[/b] (so, all of them), then. Cool. You've effectively taken all meaning out of the work "strike."[/QUOTE] If they're intentionally halting work activities as a form of protest then yeah, it's a strike. What do you think a strike means? I'm not taking the meaning out of it, that's literally how it's defined.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51848131]So every protest where anyone stops working to go is a strike (so, all of them), then. Cool. You've effectively taken all meaning out of the work "strike."[/QUOTE] That's what a bloody strike is, not going to work as a form of protest.
[QUOTE=eirexe;51848141]That's what a bloody strike is, not going to work as a form of protest.[/QUOTE] If you don't go to work at construction job because you don't like something starbucks did, you should get fired. Strikes against an employer should only be protected if they are in someway RELEVANT to that employer, something they might actually have the potential to change. People employing immigrants clearly aren't anti-immigrant.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;51848151]If you don't go to work at construction job because you don't like something starbucks did, you should get fired. Strikes against an employer should only be protected if they are in someway RELEVANT to that employer, something they might actually have the potential to change. People employing immigrants clearly aren't anti-immigrant.[/QUOTE] You are not going to work because the government has shown to be anti immigration, which affects everybody, this is not a strike against the employer, it's against the government.
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