Local workers fired after not going to work on ‘A Day Without Immigrants’
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[QUOTE=_Axel;51850620]You don't have to be a public servant for your participation in a general strike to have a noticeable influence on the government.
If the strike spreads far enough it can have an effect nationwide and pressure the government into opening negotiations with the unions. Especially if it touches important sectors like gas.
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At that point it's good to know the difference between protesting and shooting the economy in the foot.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51850663]At that point it's good to know the difference between protesting and shooting the economy in the foot.[/QUOTE]
Well I mean that usually doesn't happen unless there's a very good reason.
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You know what fucks over all employees period? Not being able to strike to defend their rights and ensure the tiniest bit of democracy within the workplace.[/QUOTE]
Striking is different from protesting a completely non work related issue. They're calling it a strike but it's not one. They aren't mad at their employers, they're mad at the president. They deserved to be fired, especially after being warned not to do it or they would be. They knew what would happen.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51850906]Well I mean that usually doesn't happen unless there's a very good reason.[/QUOTE]
It's kind of ironic how these immigrants managed to loose their jobs by trying to create awareness towards the value of immigrant workers in the country.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51850940]It's kind of ironic how these immigrants managed to loose their jobs by trying to create awareness towards the value of immigrant workers in the country.[/QUOTE]
They lost their job because they skipped work with 0 days notice, not because they were trying to create awareness.
[QUOTE=phygon;51850949]They lost their job because they skipped work with 0 days notice, not because they were trying to create awareness.[/QUOTE]
Aren't those things one and the same? I think people are missing that not showing up to work [I]was[/I] the protest, not a consequence of it.
Looking at it from the outside, it seems these workers have some awful rights. The action was taken as an unauthorised holiday by these companies and the discipline applied is to just fire them like they were nothing to them.
It almost feels criminal that you can be fired as simply as that. There's usually notice to be given before you can leave most jobs after a few weeks so you've got a chance to find something else or even a meeting to discuss the problem. Thinking on it, they may as well move on and find a country that actually has rights before deciding to settle down.
Yeah...next time you want to protest, at least protest in a large enough number to actually affect something. No one is going to give a shit if a single ball goes missing in a ball pit, however, if half of it went missing though, then it means something.
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Yeah the next time someone whines about FP being a far left echo chamber ([sp]especially now[/sp]) I'm just going to link them to this thread and the NFA petition thread.[/QUOTE]
I don't expect FP to be far left, but I am starting to think most of FP might be libertarian right.
Pretty shitty job if missing one day gets you fired
I don't understand why there's even a debate about this, painting is clearly a trade job and as you know most trade jobs are time sensitive. They were clearly warned that they'd be terminated yet still felt the need to not show up and affect the business. You're free to protest or not come in to work just as they're free to fire you for not coming in.
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[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51850663]At that point it's good to know the difference between protesting and shooting the economy in the foot.[/QUOTE]
the point of nationwide strikes is to bring about enough disruption that workers can seek a redress of petition
considering the wretched condition of the American labourer and peasantry right now, a general strike wouldn't be too bad an idea
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51853593]the point of nationwide strikes is to bring about enough disruption that workers can seek a redress of petition
considering the wretched condition of the American labourer and peasantry right now, a general strike wouldn't be too bad an idea[/QUOTE]
Problem the first: Your average American cant afford to take a single sick day much less go on strike.
Problem the second: We are replaceable. Companies will just hire new workers and carry on as usual, just as seen here. Job market is absolutely saturated in applicants, has been for years.
Problem the third: Its shocking how little unionization has penetrated the workforce, so the sectors that stand to benefit most from the collective bargaining power simply dont have it. Retail is horrible about actively discouraging unionization, i got plenty of propaganda shoved in my face when I hired on at walmart about the evils of unions.
You cant reasonably expect us to go on strike when doing so means losing your home, car, being unable to fees your family.
We need the protections, the rights, but it just isnt feasible for us to get them in the manner you propose.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51854536]Problem the first: Your average American cant afford to take a single sick day much less go on strike.
Problem the second: We are replaceable. Companies will just hire new workers and carry on as usual, just as seen here. Job market is absolutely saturated in applicants, has been for years.
Problem the third: Its shocking how little unionization has penetrated the workforce, so the sectors that stand to benefit most from the collective bargaining power simply dont have it. Retail is horrible about actively discouraging unionization, i got plenty of propaganda shoved in my face when I hired on at walmart about the evils of unions.
You cant reasonably expect us to go on strike when doing so means losing your home, car, being unable to fees your family.
We need the protections, the rights, but it just isnt feasible for us to get them in the manner you propose.[/QUOTE]
unless something is done it'll only get worse and worse. american workers already have poor rights and they're weakening steadily
[QUOTE=TestECull;51854536]Problem the first: Your average American cant afford to take a single sick day much less go on strike.
Problem the second: We are replaceable. Companies will just hire new workers and carry on as usual, just as seen here. Job market is absolutely saturated in applicants, has been for years.
Problem the third: Its shocking how little unionization has penetrated the workforce, so the sectors that stand to benefit most from the collective bargaining power simply dont have it. Retail is horrible about actively discouraging unionization, i got plenty of propaganda shoved in my face when I hired on at walmart about the evils of unions.
You cant reasonably expect us to go on strike when doing so means losing your home, car, being unable to fees your family.
We need the protections, the rights, but it just isnt feasible for us to get them in the manner you propose.[/QUOTE]
That's the big issue, once you get rid of unions it's very hard to get them back. It's not surprising that it took very violent revolts to establish them... With its now weak unions it seems the US is more or less back to industrial era worker's rights.
That's why I'm glad to live in France, sure we go overboard with it but I'd rather that than the opposite.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51855265]unless something is done it'll only get worse and worse. american workers already have poor rights and they're weakening steadily[/QUOTE]
You can't reasonably expect people to put their family's ability to eat in jeapordy on a chance. You need to find a different approach to get us the worker rights we need, we want, we deserve. Mass strikes just won't do it.
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