• Obama to ban assault weapons.
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[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;38879708]As a California resident. I can confirm this. I could spend an hour, drive down the grade and buy a Machine pistol or a assault, brought across the border from Mexico, out of the trunk of someones car.[/QUOTE] PLEASE TELL ME MORE.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;38885791]Right. All gun owners are dumb rednecks who have never used anything but their daddy's scattergun. Or you can acknowledge it's actually possible to be proficient in the use of firearms. Please don't bring up video games to cement your lack of knowledge.[/QUOTE] It's possible if you're a fucking [I]sniper[/I] and [I]very lucky[/I] but not any person with a fucking pistol in a risky situation. Unless you're a fucking [I]sniper[/I], you don't shoot at what you don't intend to kill. That's literally the second rule of guns. Literally noone said every gun owner is a shotgun-toting hick, you're just being an idiotic, defensive prick who can't admit when he's fucking wrong.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;38885761][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHvWaviIXsk[/media][/QUOTE] an army-trained sniper was able to hit a stationary target? fantastic, what bearing does that have on this conversation
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;38885837]It's possible if you're a fucking [I]sniper[/I] and [I]very lucky[/I] but not any person with a fucking pistol in a risky situation. Unless you're a fucking [I]sniper[/I], you don't shoot at what you don't intend to kill. That's literally the second rule of guns. Literally noone said every gun owner is a shotgun-toting hick, you're just being an idiotic, defensive prick who can't admit when he's fucking wrong.[/QUOTE] Yep. [img]http://www.rodgersweb.net/shooting/4rules.jpg[/img] But shit, I guess I must not have a lot of knowledge as a person who's been shooting guns since she was 13. :downs:
[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;38885814][img]http://i.imgur.com/atlRH.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I will cherish this image forever, holy shit. Every long winded argument I've ever typed up on the topic summed up in one image.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;38885756](Also it's um, she)[/QUOTE] close enough
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;38879574]This is retarded. We don't need weapon bans. We need weapon education.[/QUOTE] agreed so hard
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;38885775]Are you seriously implying this is an everyday or even possible thing in 99% of situations? Seriously, you're not John Marston.[/QUOTE] Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [IMG]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2213/dimeat100yards.jpg[/IMG] If you think it's a fluke, google around for it... Even more [img]http://accuracynut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dimes01.jpg[/img] Pretty average people can manage to hit things considerably smaller than a handgun, much less a rifle.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;38886053]Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [img]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2213/dimeat100yards.jpg[/img] Pretty average people can manage to hit things considerably smaller than a handgun, much less a rifle.[/QUOTE] yeah when it's a stationary target, as someone who's actually had some degree of firearms training I can tell you that you've got to be an absolute fucking retard to think that in any real-life situation knocking the pistol out of someone's hand is reasonable and not completely reckless you don't have a clue what you're talking about so please stop
[QUOTE=DrMortician;38886053]Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [IMG]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2213/dimeat100yards.jpg[/IMG] If you think it's a fluke, google around for it... Even more [img]http://accuracynut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dimes01.jpg[/img] Pretty average people can manage to hit things considerably smaller than a handgun, much less a rifle.[/QUOTE] Once again, this is using a rifle with a stationary target, not a handgun with a moving target.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;38886053]Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [IMG]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2213/dimeat100yards.jpg[/IMG] If you think it's a fluke, google around for it... Even more [img]http://accuracynut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dimes01.jpg[/img] Pretty average people can manage to hit things considerably smaller than a handgun, much less a rifle.[/QUOTE] Yes, because I'm going to concealed-carry a 40" long rifle that can shoot a stationary nickel at 100 yards, because I'll be able to draw that quickly from out of my pant leg or one of the other few places on my person I can hide a rifle to defend myself from a potential mugger, or to defend someone else from one. And before you go look for someone who used a Walther OSP or some other impractical target gun, or even a more practical Sig-Sauer to shoot a nickel at 25 yards, things like that a re a fluke, most people will likely be getting a 3" group at 25, and when someone is waving a gun around, you don't want to risk that your shot goes to the edge of that 3" group and misses that gun, you want to know that you're going to hit no matter where in that 3" group your shot goes, and so you aim for centre mass. If you try and ask a self-defence instructor about shooting a gun out of someone's hand, they'll probably laugh at you, insult you, and then tell you pretty much the same thing I did, you want to maximize your chances of hitting the target in a life-or-death situation, and also in the vast majority of states, shooting to wound is illegal and considered inhumane.
no guys you're all dumb, it's easy as shit to hit exactly what you want just hit V to open up VATS and select the gun, duh
[QUOTE=DrMortician;38886053]Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [IMG]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2213/dimeat100yards.jpg[/IMG] If you think it's a fluke, google around for it... Even more [img]http://accuracynut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dimes01.jpg[/img] Pretty average people can manage to hit things considerably smaller than a handgun, much less a rifle.[/QUOTE] this was done in a highly controlled testing environment out in the blue isn't that
[QUOTE=slamex;38881179] The want argument is more to do with how the media portrays guns as being these heroic tools that can save lives and makes you more likely to carry a gun on you like it's part of your skin.[/QUOTE] And after this you expect us to take you seriously? The media does NOT portray guns as "heroic tools". They portray them as weapons of mass destruction that should be BANBANBANNED. Honestly, you should be siding with the media.
[QUOTE=cccritical;38886294]no guys you're all dumb, it's easy as shit to hit exactly what you want just hit V to open up VATS and select the gun, duh[/QUOTE] But what if I only have a 26% chance to hit? Should I try it, or will I lose karma if I fail?
[QUOTE=DrMortician;38886053]Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [IMG]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2213/dimeat100yards.jpg[/IMG] If you think it's a fluke, google around for it... Even more [img]http://accuracynut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dimes01.jpg[/img] Pretty average people can manage to hit things considerably smaller than a handgun, much less a rifle.[/QUOTE] Alright man, look. You're walking down the street when suddenly somebody yells at you to give them your wallet. You turn and look, and its a man holding a gun at you. Good thing you have your CCW permit! You grab your gun from its holster, aim, and shoot, knowing this one bullet very well may mean the difference of life and death. Do you aim for the weapon, a horrible, HORRIBLE FUCKING IDEA, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU THINK THIS IS SMART, or do you aim for center body mass, where you WILL probably hit, as you have a bigger target than a gun? I just don't see how you can think its possible to hit a weapon out of someone's hand in a close quarters fight. Shit. Don't. Work. If you've ever shot a firearm before (which I highly doubt, considering the asshattery coming from your mouth at the moment), you'd know that shit would be damn near impossible, and highly impractical.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38884629]Do I have to pull up those pictures of the dude's leg (Again?)[/QUOTE] a .223 round has a much higher velocity and lower profile than a .45, and rips clean through a body without any problems while a .45 hollowpoint is slower, and expands even further lodging itself into the body. Even if it went through the body it's bringing more tissue out with it. It's why a 5.56 round can rip clean through a guy's head leaving a nice neat little hole while a 7.62 will make a head explode. Not just because it's bigger, but because it's slower, and there's plenty of WarPorn out there that shows this. Not that 5.56 can't do it They're both fucking destructive, but I'd still rather be hit by a .223 than a .45 Hollowpoint if I were to be shot
[QUOTE=DrMortician;38886053]Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [/QUOTE] Yes. Even ignoring the simple fact that a sharpshooter shooting at a stationary target who is not currently threatening and is covered by a dozen other guns is COMPLETELY different from any kind of normal engagement, A firearm only imparts as much force forwards as it does backwards. A sniper rifle vs a handgun works because a 7.62x51 round is going to have a fair amount of force in either direction. Keeping in mind that the heavy rifle it is fired from absorbs some of the recoil. So when you strike a handgun held by an unsuspecting person, it is possible to impart sufficient force to remove the gun from their hand. Basic physics negates the concept of shooting it out of their hand. Handgun cartridges do not strike with sufficient force. Even if they did, you still run the risk of ricochet and killing the target anyways.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;38886445]a .223 round has a much higher velocity and lower profile than a .45, and rips clean through a body without any problems while a .45 hollowpoint is slower, and expands even further lodging itself into the body. Even if it went through the body it's bringing more tissue out with it. It's why a 5.56 round can rip clean through a guy's head leaving a nice neat little hole while a 7.62 will make a head explode. Not just because it's bigger, but because it's slower, and there's plenty of WarPorn out there that shows this. Not that 5.56 can't do it They're both fucking destructive, but I'd still rather be hit by a .223 than a .45 Hollowpoint if I were to be shot[/QUOTE] 5.56 NATO hits the body like a freight-train, it's deadly because of the shockwave it creates when it hits flesh. (Though do keep in mind that 5.56x45 NATO and .223 Remington are not the same round, despite looking similar, 5.56 has more pressure.)
[QUOTE=DrMortician;38886053]Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [IMG]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2213/dimeat100yards.jpg[/IMG] If you think it's a fluke, google around for it... Even more [img]http://accuracynut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dimes01.jpg[/img] Pretty average people can manage to hit things considerably smaller than a handgun, much less a rifle.[/QUOTE] Good god, if only the army knew, they could shoot the guns out of the Taliban mens arms!
Banning guns isn't going to keep them out of the hands of bad people.. guns can be attained AND made in a million ways. I know it has been said a thousand times before, but banning guns outright is only going to take them away from the law-abiding citizen who wishes to defend themselves.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;38886445]a .223 round has a much higher velocity and lower profile than a .45, and rips clean through a body without any problems while a .45 hollowpoint is slower, and expands even further lodging itself into the body. Even if it went through the body it's bringing more tissue out with it. It's why a 5.56 round can rip clean through a guy's head leaving a nice neat little hole while a 7.62 will make a head explode. Not just because it's bigger, but because it's slower, and there's plenty of WarPorn out there that shows this. Not that 5.56 can't do it They're both fucking destructive, but I'd still rather be hit by a .223 than a .45 Hollowpoint if I were to be shot[/QUOTE] .223 keyholes when it hits the body. I've seen wounds from both .45 ACP and .223 and I can damn well tell you I'd rather get hit by .45 ACP
[QUOTE=DrMortician;38886053]Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [IMG]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2213/dimeat100yards.jpg[/IMG] If you think it's a fluke, google around for it... Even more [img]http://accuracynut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dimes01.jpg[/img] Pretty average people can manage to hit things considerably smaller than a handgun, much less a rifle.[/QUOTE] You're also forgetting the that coin was more then likely stationary and not moving. Shooting a moving target is way more difficult then shooting a stationary target. That rifle more then likely had a scope, most cops are equip with pistols and AR15's. So really that point is moot. [editline]19th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38886899].223 keyholes when it hits the body. I've seen wounds from both .45 ACP and .223 and I can damn well tell you I'd rather get hit by .45 ACP[/QUOTE] [img]http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6692/img00021201002141629.jpg[/img] Exit wound of a melon. 223 round btw. The exit wound on a bullet is going to be far bigger then the entry wound. No matter what caliber, i highly doubt a 223 would leave a small hole at the back of the head. I bet there would be a nice crater. So I don't get how he came up with that assumption, but yeah your right.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38886686]Good god, if only the army knew, they could shoot the guns out of the Taliban mens arms![/QUOTE] What the fuck, no they can't. Everyone knows assault rifles only target babies.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;38886053]Shoot the gun out of someone's hand? You really think that's far fetched? [IMG]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2213/dimeat100yards.jpg[/IMG] If you think it's a fluke, google around for it... Even more [img]http://accuracynut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dimes01.jpg[/img] Pretty average people can manage to hit things considerably smaller than a handgun, much less a rifle.[/QUOTE] If you ever needed an example of why people should have to prove their competence to be allowed to own a gun here it is.
can you please link to pics of guys getting shot in the head, instead of tagging them
[QUOTE=OvB;38879972]My cousin plays football. All he's doing is throwing balls around. Does no one think of the injuries? Ban sports so our children don't get concussions.[/QUOTE] Funny you should say that because that's exactly what's happening with many sports. [editline]18th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;38880133]Because the media is notorious for providing accurate coverage on guns and gun-related incidents, right? They even omitted the fact that the Portland mall shooter was confronted by a CCW holder[/QUOTE] This is just getting ridiculous. I am seriously baffled by what's occurring in front of my eyes. If what you two say is true, then they are literally banning something for no reason whatsoever. I mean, I can't even understand I don't know why this is happening I can't even type a sentence.
[QUOTE=MR-X;38887346]You're also forgetting the that coin was more then likely stationary and not moving. Shooting a moving target is way more difficult then shooting a stationary target. That rifle more then likely had a scope, most cops are equip with pistols and AR15's. So really that point is moot. [editline]19th December 2012[/editline] [img]http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6692/img00021201002141629.jpg[/img] Exit wound of a melon. 223 round btw. The exit wound on a bullet is going to be far bigger then the entry wound. No matter what caliber, i highly doubt a 223 would leave a small hole at the back of the head. I bet there would be a nice crater. So I don't get how he came up with that assumption, but yeah your right.[/QUOTE] Heyhey czech this out [video=youtube;1aU-CZ2WSGQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aU-CZ2WSGQ[/video] the point is that the size of the exit wound is only significantly bigger if you're using hollowpoint. With FMJ I would guess that there would be a slight difference but not enough to matter. Also of note is that he was using a carbine that had pistol grip, stock etc. but only fired 9mm. does that make it an assault weapon? EDIT:[del]Goddamnit video tag isn't working[/del] fix'd
I just feel like our countrys becoming a nanny state, not only not trusting people with so called assault weapons but evn in sports. soon it will just be two hand touch football.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;38887645] Also of note is that he was using a carbine that had pistol grip, stock etc. but only fired 9mm. does that make it an assault weapon?[/QUOTE] he was using handguns, the bushmaster carbine never entered the building
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