• Obama to ban assault weapons.
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still trying to wrap my head around the all the clueless people claiming he would have been stopped or even hindered by having the weapon in a safe. an acetylene torch is like $300 and takes 2 hours at most to break into any safe with no noise.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38896542][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1233292[/url][/QUOTE] And how does that random thread relate? I haven't even called you or any other gun owners anything incriminating.
Why are people arguing this? There is absolutely no correlation between firearm ownership and levels of democracy world wide. Everyone knows this. Hitler didn't come into power by suppressing German gun ownership. He came into power by popular ballot. Move on.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38896691]Why are people arguing this? There is absolutely no correlation between firearm ownership and levels of democracy world wide. Everyone knows this. Hitler didn't come into power by suppressing German gun ownership. He came into power by popular ballot. Move on.[/QUOTE] Actually, he lost the only election he ran in :eng101: He was [I]appointed[/I] to the Chancellorship.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38896726]Actually, he lost the only election he ran in :eng101: He was [I]appointed[/I] to the Chancellorship.[/QUOTE] His party did very well electorally however.
Yay! No other first world country has or needs as many guns as america and no other first world country is so self-righteous about them. This is a good idea and if you don't think so you're stupid
Speaking as somebody who lives outside the US, what is it about the 2nd amendment that makes people defend it to the death? I'm cool with owning handguns, revolvers and simple hunting rifles, but do you really need military equipment? Maybe make the actual guns themselves relatively easy to purchase but the ammunition much harder to get (this way people who collect guns can continue collecting without an issue), though I have no idea how hard or easy it may already be to get ammunition *as someone who lives outside the US, I may or may not be misreading this and military equipment may already be banned for civilians. in this case, tell me just how fucking ignorant I am and move on*
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38896744]His party did very well electorally however.[/QUOTE] Republicans took both houses in 1994 yet Clinton got reelected :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38896772]Republicans took both houses in 1994 yet Clinton got reelected :v:[/QUOTE] From what I remember, Clinton didn't do too badly. My dad (a republican) didn't even mind him that much.
[QUOTE=LightOfDarkness;38896759]Speaking as somebody who lives outside the US, what is it about the 2nd amendment that makes people defend it to the death? I'm cool with owning handguns, revolvers and simple hunting rifles, but do you really need military equipment? Maybe make the actual guns themselves relatively easy to purchase but the ammunition much harder to get (this way people who collect guns can continue collecting without an issue), though I have no idea how hard or easy it may already be to get ammunition *as someone who lives outside the US, I may or may not be misreading this and military equipment may already be banned for civilians. in this case, tell me just how fucking ignorant I am and move on*[/QUOTE] Military equipment as defined by what assault rifles are is already banned.
[QUOTE=LightOfDarkness;38896759]Speaking as somebody who lives outside the US, what is it about the 2nd amendment that makes people defend it to the death? I'm cool with owning handguns, revolvers and simple hunting rifles, but do you really need military equipment? Maybe make the actual guns themselves relatively easy to purchase but the ammunition much harder to get (this way people who collect guns can continue collecting without an issue), though I have no idea how hard or easy it may already be to get ammunition *as someone who lives outside the US, I may or may not be misreading this and military equipment may already be banned for civilians. in this case, tell me just how fucking ignorant I am and move on*[/QUOTE] From the moment we're born, Americans are bombarded with the concepts of "we won our rights in war", essentially. In school, there is no one more venerated than the founding fathers, of whom wrote the Bill of Rights and thus all of the bill of rights are sacred in a civil sense. The first two amendments are the most visible and most exercised of these rights. In a way, to own a gun in America is to uphold national tradition dating back to when our nation was forged by them.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;38896585]still trying to wrap my head around the all the clueless people claiming he would have been stopped or even hindered by having the weapon in a safe. an acetylene torch is like $300 and takes 2 hours at most to break into any safe with no noise.[/QUOTE] because not many people spend a homicidal rage going down to a store, buying an an expensive blowtorch, driving back, spend 2 hours trying to break into a safe, by some fluke succeed, THEN go down the local school and shoot some kids
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38896772]Republicans took both houses in 1994 yet Clinton got reelected :v:[/QUOTE] Mhm, although the Nazis did a bit of negotiation with the Conservatives that helped them get into power, and their electoral support helped.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38896844]Mhm, although the Nazis did a bit of negotiation with the Conservatives that helped them get into power, and their electoral support helped.[/QUOTE] And Hitler still lost. What's your point? It's like you're just looking for an argument to get the last word in with.
[QUOTE=LightOfDarkness;38896759]Speaking as somebody who lives outside the US, what is it about the 2nd amendment that makes people defend it to the death? I'm cool with owning handguns, revolvers and simple hunting rifles, but do you really need military equipment? Maybe make the actual guns themselves relatively easy to purchase but the ammunition much harder to get (this way people who collect guns can continue collecting without an issue), though I have no idea how hard or easy it may already be to get ammunition *as someone who lives outside the US, I may or may not be misreading this and military equipment may already be banned for civilians. in this case, tell me just how fucking ignorant I am and move on*[/QUOTE] presumably 'assault weapons' means something along the lines of weapons expressly designed to kill or maim human beings (or certain subclasses of this, idk) - so handguns, some rifles etc and from what I've gathered the 2nd amendment is there so that the people always have the power to rise up and take power back fom an oppressive government by force - part of the whole 'liberty' thing that americans parrot on about until they're blue in the face. unfortunately this is the 21st not the 19th century and armed uprising really has no fucking place in the world's foremost civilized superpower
[QUOTE=LightOfDarkness;38896759]Speaking as somebody who lives outside the US, what is it about the 2nd amendment that makes people defend it to the death? I'm cool with owning handguns, revolvers and simple hunting rifles, but do you really need military equipment? Maybe make the actual guns themselves relatively easy to purchase but the ammunition much harder to get (this way people who collect guns can continue collecting without an issue), though I have no idea how hard or easy it may already be to get ammunition *as someone who lives outside the US, I may or may not be misreading this and military equipment may already be banned for civilians. in this case, tell me just how fucking ignorant I am and move on*[/QUOTE] military equipment is already banned for civilians bullets are easy to find and don't require any paperwork but are mostly restricted to people over 21 and can cost up to about $1.50 a shot for many popular calibers
wait a minute [h2]why are people drawing parallels between gun control and nazi germany[/h2] are you people legitimately retarded or just thick
hey sobotnik, do you play any FPS games?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38896823]From the moment we're born, Americans are bombarded with the concepts of "we won our rights in war", essentially. In school, there is no one more venerated than the founding fathers, of whom wrote the Bill of Rights and thus all of the bill of rights are sacred in a civil sense.[/QUOTE] This is one of the more curious things about America I have noticed. Personally I would say quite a lot of those things are clouded somewhat by propaganda. For instance, things like where a fox news Republican might go "the founding fathers would hate you" for supporting/criticizing X policy. [editline]19th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=cccritical;38896904]hey sobotnik, do you play any FPS games?[/QUOTE] No, grand strategy, why?
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38896903]wait a minute [h2]why are people drawing parallels between gun control and nazi germany[/h2] are you people legitimately retarded or just thick[/QUOTE] [h2]Because Godwin's Law is more than someone just saying "Godwin's Law" first moment someone says "Hitler"[/h2] :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38896864]And Hitler still lost. What's your point? It's like you're just looking for an argument to get the last word in with.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that although he was appointed, the voters had a big help in getting him up to that stage.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38896914]This is one of the more curious things about America I have noticed. Personally I would say quite a lot of those things are clouded somewhat by propaganda. For instance, things like where a fox news Republican might go "the founding fathers would hate you" for supporting/criticizing X policy. [/QUOTE] That's only a very small, minute thing. Keep in mind that, while a vast majority of American Facepunchers here are pro-Democrat, they're also mostly very pro-gun. Things like this is taught around the age of 7 and 8. Moment you're able to understand the concept of "history", the first thing they teach you is - America was made by the Founding Fathers and Abe Lincoln personally liberated every slave from south. Everything else is just icing on the apple pie. [editline]19th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;38896979]I'm just saying that although he was appointed, the voters had a big help in getting him up to that stage.[/QUOTE] Which is irrelevant on my correction that he lost. There's literally no point in giving supplementing comments like this.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38896949][h2]Because Godwin's Law is more than someone just saying "Godwin's Law" first moment someone says "Hitler"[/h2] :v:[/QUOTE] why do americans like guns so much in britain neither I nor anyone I know has ever been in a situation where they have needed a gun, apart from this thread where I want to blow my brains out all over the ceiling ofc
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38897015]why do americans like guns so much in britain neither I nor anyone I know has ever been in a situation where they have needed a gun, apart from this thread where I want to blow my brains out all over the ceiling ofc[/QUOTE] I already said: [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38896823]From the moment we're born, Americans are bombarded with the concepts of "we won our rights in war", essentially. In school, there is no one more venerated than the founding fathers, of whom wrote the Bill of Rights and thus all of the bill of rights are sacred in a civil sense. The first two amendments are the most visible and most exercised of these rights. In a way, to own a gun in America is to uphold national tradition dating back to when our nation was forged by them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38897015]why do americans like guns so much in britain neither I nor anyone I know has ever been in a situation where they have needed a gun, apart from this thread where I want to blow my brains out all over the ceiling ofc[/QUOTE] Lol British people don't like guns because without them the U.S. would still be their colony.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38896988]Keep in mind that, while a vast majority of American Facepunchers here are pro-Democrat, they're also mostly very pro-gun. [/QUOTE] and i was here thinking the 'impotent nerd with insecurities up the arse compensating for it by owning a load of guns' thing was just a cliche [editline]19th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38897031]I already said:[/QUOTE] so it's just propaganda instilled in you from an early age? patriotism is the virtue of the vicious, as sean connery in the rock (and no one else) so wisely said
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38896914] No, grand strategy, why?[/QUOTE] then I'm not surprised that you really have absolutely no clue about American 'gun culture' a decent sized chunk of folks own firearms for the same reason so many people play shooters, because they're fun when used for recreational purposes for some, it's the competition, they prefer a specially customized match-grade pistol or the newest installment of Call of Duty for others, it's the feeling they get when they hit a target the size of an apple from half a mile away, they might own a hunting shotgun for skeet shooting or ArmA 2 guns, unlike video games, have the added benefit of being able to stop a burglar or a kidnapper or preventing a shooting in a crowded area, but of course, they only work when they're readily accessible in any given situation
[QUOTE=BFG9000;38893352] They already did it here in Cali i think all semiauto rifles need a bullet button or an internal mag[/QUOTE] This is a cause for celebration! Make sure no one's looking and go open a party popper in your bathtub! [editline]19th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38897051]and i was here thinking the 'impotent nerd with insecurities up the arse compensating for it by owning a load of guns' thing was just a cliche[/QUOTE] watch out everyone its getting alpha as fuck up in here
[QUOTE=King Tiger;38897043]Lol British people don't like guns because without them the U.S. would still be their colony.[/QUOTE] But the whole minuteman thing is a myth. You won because you had double the number of line infantry, more artillery and France.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;38897043]Lol British people don't like guns because without them the U.S. would still be their colony.[/QUOTE] yeah man the british empire was the best thing that ever happened - you got me I love me some ethnic cleansing and war crimes, typical brit eh :v:
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