[QUOTE=NoDachi;38897135]But the whole minuteman thing is a myth.
You won because you had double the number of line infantry, more artillery and France.[/QUOTE]
yeah that whole revolution thing would've gone just as swell if nobody revolted, right?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;38897116]watch out everyone its getting alpha as fuck up in here[/QUOTE]
hey i'm an impotent nerd with insecurities up the anus but if I'm feeling particularly whiny on a given day of the week I'm not one step away from shooting up a school
[QUOTE=cccritical;38897153]yeah that whole revolution thing would've gone just as swell if nobody revolted, right?[/QUOTE]
It didn't help the Irish or the Indians.
My point being, you don't win revolutions through civilian ownership.
You need other, far greater factors.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38897159]hey i'm an impotent nerd with insecurities up the anus but if I'm feeling particularly whiny on a given day of the week I'm not one step away from shooting up a school[/QUOTE]
I don't know man it's like American virgins must spend all the time they aren't getting massive amounts of pussy studying the Bill of Rights or something
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;38897210]I don't know man it's like American virgins must spend all the time they aren't getting massive amounts of pussy studying the Bill of Rights or something[/QUOTE]
do you have to be a virgin to be a lonely nerd with a gun fetish?
[QUOTE=cccritical;38897097]then I'm not surprised that you really have absolutely no clue about American 'gun culture'
a decent sized chunk of folks own firearms for the same reason so many people play shooters, because they're fun when used for recreational purposes
for some, it's the competition, they prefer a specially customized match-grade pistol or the newest installment of Call of Duty
for others, it's the feeling they get when they hit a target the size of an apple from half a mile away, they might own a hunting shotgun for skeet shooting or ArmA 2
guns, unlike video games, have the added benefit of being able to stop a burglar or a kidnapper or preventing a shooting in a crowded area, but of course, they only work when they're readily accessible in any given situation[/QUOTE]
so how does my taste in videogames undermine any arguments i make
[QUOTE=Sir M;38879455]Ban things that can be used as weapons[/QUOTE]
If you throw a tank of oxygen into a fire it can explode.
Ban Oxygen. :v:
[QUOTE=King Tiger;38897043]Lol British people don't like guns because without them the U.S. would still be their colony.[/QUOTE]
this is kind of untrue
the france and other foreign nations were the guys who helped america win its independence
the british even subsidized the colonies before the war
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[QUOTE=cccritical;38897153]yeah that whole revolution thing would've gone just as swell if nobody revolted, right?[/QUOTE]
i think about a quarter of the population didn't even want the war in the first place
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38897135]But the whole minuteman thing is a myth.
You won because you had double the number of line infantry, more artillery and France.[/QUOTE]
I was obviously being serious.
And you're outright wrong. Numbers were about equal if you factor in the militia, loyalists, and the German mercenaries.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;38897171]It didn't help the Irish or the Indians.
My point being, you don't win revolutions through civilian ownership.
You need other, far greater factors.[/QUOTE]
Just like Lexington and Concord right?
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38897051]
so it's just propaganda instilled in you from an early age? patriotism is the virtue of the vicious, as sean connery in the rock (and no one else) so wisely said[/QUOTE]
It's not propaganda.
History taught at an early age is always very simplified to its core basics.
The problem is, in many school systems across the US, these basics are the only thing a lot of Americans remember about history due to our shitty education system.
They don't mention the French, they don't mention the Indians; hell sometimes they don't even mention the Seven Year's War (aka French & Indian War in the US) which is usually the starting point to the whys of the Revolution.
It's not propaganda. It's the lack of giving more detailed lessons later on in public education.
Also, there's the strong "frontier mentality" that has been prevalent in America even after the "frontier" was physically gone.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;38897320]Just like Lexington and Concord right?[/QUOTE]
What revolutions are these?
I have not heard of them.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38897279]
i think about a quarter of the population didn't even want the war in the first place[/QUOTE]
A quarter who didn't, a quarter who didn't care and a half that did won't stop a revolution.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;38896903]wait a minute
[h2]why are people drawing parallels between gun control and nazi germany[/h2]
are you people legitimately retarded or just thick[/QUOTE]
I actually think a straight down ban is a shitty idea, but gun laws should definitely be revised. The federal law should include mandatory waiting periods, and make sure that guns are stored in a safe, proper way. They should also have buy-back periods, so people won't have guns lying around that might get in the wrong hands. There should also be stricter legislation on private gun sales.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38897370]What revolutions are these?
I have not heard of them.[/QUOTE]
"The shot heard around the world"
Those are the first two battles of the American Revolution.
Minutemen militia fought the British who went to seize their guns, munitions and powder. The Americans won.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38897391]"The shot heard around the world"
Those are the first two battles of the American Revolution.[/QUOTE]
I was making a joke at him, at how listing battles doesn't disprove my point.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38897404]I was making a joke at him, at how listing battles doesn't disprove my point.[/QUOTE]
His point is, simple farmers fought the British Army and won. Not grand armies and foreign allies.
The fact that the first battle was to [I]prevent the English from taking our guns[/I] is an extremely important factor in American gun culture.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38897418]His point is, simple farmers fought the British Army and won. Not grand armies and foreign allies.
The fact that the first battle was to [I]prevent the English from taking our guns[/I] is an extremely important factor in American gun culture.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes the romance of it all.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;38897320]Just like Lexington and Concord right?[/QUOTE]
And the invasion of Canada.
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38897391]"The shot heard around the world"
Those are the first two battles of the American Revolution.
Minutemen militia fought the British who went to seize their guns, munitions and powder. The Americans won.[/QUOTE]
The Americans didn't win the first battle at Lexington though.
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38897418]His point is, simple farmers fought the British Army and won. Not grand armies and foreign allies.
The fact that the first battle was to [I]prevent the English from taking our guns[/I] is an extremely important factor in American gun culture.[/QUOTE]
It would have been crushed in the end had it not been for the assistance of the Spanish, French and Dutch. The Americans started the war with no national government, no national army or navy, no financial system, no banks, no established credit, and no functioning government departments.
Requisitions of materials from people barely kept the army going, and their economy was contracting too. Also inflation.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38897442]It would have been crushed in the end had it not been for the assistance of the Spanish, French and Dutch. The Americans started the war with no national government, no national army or navy, no financial system, no banks, no established credit, and no functioning government departments.
Requisitions of materials from people barely kept the army going, and their economy was contracting too. Also inflation.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about that honestly.
The British Empire wasn't hugely powerful militarially during that time period. Not to mention the lack of war support even amongst the generals.
Shooting your 'own guys' just wasn't the same as shooting degenerate irish and darkies.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38897758]I don't know about that honestly.
The British Empire wasn't hugely powerful militarially during that time period. Not to mention the lack of war support even amongst the generals.
Shooting your 'own guys' just wasn't the same as shooting degenerate irish and darkies.[/QUOTE]
True, although economic troubles were a serious problem for the colonies, even when they got foreign loans and supplies.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38896889]military equipment is already banned for civilians
bullets are easy to find and don't require any paperwork but are mostly restricted to people over 21 and can cost up to about $1.50 a shot for many popular calibers[/QUOTE]
okay so I really AM ignorant
but why does ammo cost so much? It should be the other way around: cheap with a relatively high paperwork barrier
doing paperwork is free and having high costs on ammunition only punishes shooting enthusiasts, since a person who is going to shoot up something isn't going to care about cost when they're throwing their life away
EDIT: after thinking again I realize it's probably just ammunition production being relatively expensive
When I was younger, I [U]almost[/U] brought a gun to school and would of killed quite a few people before myself. I planned on using my Dad's revolver he hasn't touched in ages
So
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Honestly I think if someone is going to kill someone they'll get over the ethical dilemma of buying a gun illegally.
Hey look, a black kid walking down the street with his hood up. Quick, I better follow him and call the cops. Oh no, he was scared because I approached him, good thing I have a gun on me and I'm more afraid of him than he is of me, I better kill him to make sure he doesn't try to flee or yell for help
[QUOTE=zydos;38898279]Hey look, a black kid walking down the street with his hood up. Quick, I better follow him and call the cops. Oh no, he was scared because I approached him, good thing I have a gun on me and I'm more afraid of him than he is of me, I better kill him to make sure he doesn't try to flee or yell for help[/QUOTE]
Sobotnik, is that you?
[QUOTE=Justnobody;38898191]Honestly I think if someone is going to kill someone they'll get over the ethical dilemma of buying a gun illegally.[/QUOTE]
But according to the FBI, most school shooters have a gun obsession, and are often brought up in homes where firearms are readily available.
see: majority of Americans portrayed on television with 30 guns in their home "incase spooks try to break in". Because losing my TV is muuuch more severe than killing somebody
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38897242]so how does my taste in videogames undermine any arguments i make[/QUOTE]
part of it, as demonstrated here, is you stupid stubborn refusal to read posts and make basic connections
[QUOTE=zydos;38898279]Hey look, a black kid walking down the street with his hood up. Quick, I better follow him and call the cops. Oh no, he was scared because I approached him, good thing I have a gun on me and I'm more afraid of him than he is of me, I better kill him to make sure he doesn't try to flee or yell for help[/QUOTE]
What the hell are you even talking about? Did you even read what people said to you?
[QUOTE=cccritical;38898304]part of it, as demonstrated here, is you stupid stubborn refusal to read posts and make basic connections[/QUOTE]
bazooper i just played vicky ii and achtung panzer operation star obv im literate about gun culture because of the entertainment mediums i enjoy not the ones im aware of omg..
[QUOTE=PaChIrA;38898331]What the hell are you even talking about? Did you even read what people said to you?[/QUOTE]
Yes and it was all gibberish consisting of "no don't take away my guns I need them for absolutely arbitrary reasons and killing other humans"
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