[QUOTE=cccritical;38900134]if anyone wants to keep doing this "guns were made to kill people" song and dance I've got a looong list here to read to you[/QUOTE]
What the hell were they originally made for then
Just wait, when I say that it's a cannon scaled down to fit a man's hands, they'll say "cannons weren't made to kill people"
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;38900192]What the hell were they originally made for then[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure guns were originally made to kill, but so were bows and I don't see anyone trying to get them banned because they're pretty much universally recognized as sporting equipment now (as civilian-owned firearms really ought to be, no matter how scary they look).
[editline]20th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=zydos;38900214]Just wait, when I say that it's a cannon scaled down to fit a man's hands, they'll say "cannons weren't made to kill people"[/QUOTE]
They weren't, actually, they were created and used by the Chinese for fireworks displays.
[QUOTE=zydos;38900214]Just wait, when I say that it's a cannon scaled down to fit a man's hands, they'll say "cannons weren't made to kill people"[/QUOTE]
An assault rifle has more utility than a cannon. Its a bad comparison, since cannons aren't used to hunt or recreation.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38900218]I'm pretty sure guns were originally made to kill, but so were bows and I don't see anyone trying to get them banned because they're pretty much universally recognized as sporting equipment now (as civilian-owned firearms really ought to be, no matter how scary they look).
[editline]20th December 2012[/editline]
They weren't, actually, they were created and used by the Chinese for fireworks displays.[/QUOTE]
See? :v:
In China, yes, in Europe they adopted it as a hand-cannon
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;38900192]What the hell were they originally made for then[/QUOTE]
you joined late so I'll forgive you this once
they were originally made for killing people, just like 90% of the shit we use in daily life
99.99% of the time a civilian is using them to do something that - shocker - [i]doesn't[/i] involve killing people
a few have been arguing a straight up ban on all guns based ONLY on what they were originally intended for, and completely ignored any counter arguments, such as: 'it's possible to use something for reasons other than its intended purpose' and 'you're using several dozen things right now in ways that they weren't originally meant to be used, how are guns any different'
[QUOTE=laserguided;38900238]An assault rifle has more utility than a naval cannon. Its a bad comparison, since naval cannons aren't used to hunt or recreation.[/QUOTE]
No, guys, that's not the point. Cannons were made to kill people, just like guns are. Quit reaching
[QUOTE=zydos;38900249]See? :v:
In China, yes, in Europe they adopted it as a hand-cannon[/QUOTE]
Well, you can't make a statement like that, knowing it's false, and then act surprised when someone refutes it.
[QUOTE=zydos;38900030]Holy wall of blabs.
Guys, guys, fucking guys,
If you're going to hunt with them, yes. That's completely reasonable. Fine. What I refer to is the people who have them for the sake of having them. A hunter can have as many firearms as he pleases because he uses them, not "Johnny Gas in _____ who has an AK47, a SCAR, three shotguns, 6 handguns and another two high-powered rifles with night-scopes "Because I need to purtect my house". This kind of flexing of the 2nd amendment makes my head spin.[/QUOTE]
Stop existing please. Your string of retarded ideas don't make sense together, and in the face of actual facts you're blindly pacifistic and even a bit Romantic. Shut up.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38900238]An assault rifle has more utility than a cannon. Its a bad comparison, since cannons aren't used to hunt or recreation.[/QUOTE]
I find shelling coastal cities and pillaging them for valuables very recreational actually.
[QUOTE=zydos;38900258]No, guys, that's not the point. Cannons were made to kill people, just like guns are.[B] Quit reaching[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=zydos;38900249]
In China, yes, in Europe they adopted it as a hand-cannon[/QUOTE]
are you implying that someone used something for a purpose it wasn't originally intended for? bullshit, that's fucking impossible!
[QUOTE=cccritical;38900256]you joined late so I'll forgive you this once
they were originally made for killing people, just like 90% of the shit we use in daily life
99.99% of the time a civilian is using them to do something that - shocker - [i]doesn't[/i] involve killing people
a few have been arguing a straight up ban on all guns based ONLY on what they were originally intended for, and completely ignored any counter arguments, such as: 'it's possible to use something for reasons other than its intended purpose' and 'you're using several dozen things right now in ways that they weren't originally meant to be used, how are guns any different'[/QUOTE]
Clothing, a guitar, a pencil and a desk that houses these things. Tell me I'm not using them for their intended purposes
[QUOTE=Raidyr;38900268]I find shelling coastal cities and pillaging them for valuables very recreational actually.[/QUOTE]
That actually sounds like alot of fun, now I wan't to be a pirate.
[QUOTE=cccritical;38900272]are you implying that someone used something for a purpose it wasn't originally intended for? bullshit, that's fucking impossible![/QUOTE]
Good lord, I think he's on to something
So I can use my M60 to mow my lawn, too?
[QUOTE=zydos;38900275]Clothing, a guitar, a pencil and a desk that houses these things. Tell me I'm not using them for their intended purposes[/QUOTE]
those were used in response to 'guns aren't a necessity'
a couple thousand years ago we got along just dandy without any of that safety net horseshit, man up and go live in the wild
[QUOTE=zydos;38900275]Clothing, a guitar, a pencil and a desk that houses these things. Tell me I'm not using them for their intended purposes[/QUOTE]
Well we don't know what you're doing with them. You could be sticking them where the sun don't shine as far as we're concerned.
[QUOTE=zydos;38900275]Clothing, a guitar, a pencil and a desk that houses these things. Tell me I'm not using them for their intended purposes[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you mentioned clothing! Clothing was made to keep us warm, but you're using it to cover your "naughty bits" and to look trendy.
[editline]20th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=zydos;38900286]Good lord, I think he's on to something
So I can use my M60 to mow my lawn, too?[/QUOTE]
You could do it, but you shouldn't, since that's irresponsible firearms usage.
nah snip
He already conceded that people can take something and adapt it for use in some other purpose.
[QUOTE=Apache249;38900320]He already conceded that people can take something and adapt it for use in some other purpose.[/QUOTE]
where? just a few pages ago he derided target shooting because it was using 'killing machines' in a way they weren't intended
[QUOTE=cccritical;38900353]where? just a few pages ago he derided target shooting because it was using 'killing machines' in a way they weren't intended[/QUOTE]
Right here of course.
[QUOTE=zydos;38900249]See? :v:
In China, yes, in Europe they adopted it as a hand-cannon[/QUOTE]
But what if badguys use guns to hurt kids in a school, that surely isn't their intended purpose. Oh wait, it is, killing people, I wonder why we even have those things so widely available if nutjobs can get them.
Ban them all together or crack the fuck down on registry, otherwise boo fucking hoo when a school gets shot up, you're the ones who want your freedom so goddamn bad. Other people will abuse it too, you know
[QUOTE=zydos;38899283]You know how guns work, right? In layman's terms, you ONLY HAVE TO pull a trigger and a deadly projectile flies out. That doesn't at all trip an alarm of "wow I shouldn't have a billion of these around and play with them"?
[/QUOTE]
You know how cars work, right? In layman's terms, you ONLY HAVE TO step on a pedal and you go very quickly and you build up enough kinetic energy to kill multiple people. That doesn't at all trip an alarm of "wow I shouldn't have a billion of these around and play with them"?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuKP-rNyiOQ[/media]
80+ killed, 100 injured.
Ban racing
[QUOTE=Apache249;38900372]Right here of course.[/QUOTE]
THE cannon, not the Chinese firework-launcher, if that needed to be cleared up
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
looooool
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
America
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38900170]I'm not a hunter, so I don't know much about it. I was really only trying to make a point to someone who also, clearly, doesn't know much about it. I'm on your side :v:[/QUOTE]
basically a .22 short won't hurt a moose and a .300 win mag will completely obliterate a squirrel.
there's a lot of other examples in between too
[QUOTE=zydos;38900375]But what if badguys use guns to hurt kids in a school, that surely isn't their intended purpose. Oh wait, it is, killing people, I wonder why we even have those things so widely available if nutjobs can get them.
Ban them all together or crack the fuck down on registry, otherwise boo fucking hoo when a school gets shot up, you're the ones who want your freedom so goddamn bad. Other people will abuse it too, you know[/QUOTE]
We're not really here to discuss the prohibition of guns. This thread is about bringing back the Scary Looking Weapons ban.
What difference does it make if the weapon looks scary? It's still a gun, so the entire ban is illogical
[QUOTE=zydos;38900375]But what if badguys use guns to hurt kids in a school, that surely isn't their intended purpose. Oh wait, it is, killing people, I wonder why we even have those things so widely available if nutjobs can get them.
Ban them all together or crack the fuck down on registry, otherwise boo fucking hoo when a school gets shot up, you're the ones who want your freedom so goddamn bad. Other people will abuse it too, you know[/QUOTE]
bushmaster says their line of .223 rifles are intended for hunting, competition, and home defense
the [i]intended use[/i] was for non-murderous activities
adam lanza decided he'd use them in a [i]way that was not intended[/i]
he's doing the same thing chavs do when they use a kitchen knife to shank someone
are kitchen knives intended to be used as shanks? no
could you use a kitchen knife as a shank? yes
were cutting tools originally used for killing things? absogoddamnlutely
[QUOTE=Apache249;38900400]We're not really here to discuss the prohibition of guns. This thread is about bringing back the Scary Looking Weapons ban.[/QUOTE]
He's not here to discuss, he's here to make sweeping, ignorant generalizations and spout nonsense, all the while ignoring sensible individuals who tell him why he's wrong and making hyperbolic statements and spouting nonsense because he can't seem to stand or comprehend the fact that someone else uses guns for something he doesn't.
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