[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901226]please find me a chart detailing the amount of school shootings that didn't involve guns[/QUOTE]
That's irrelevant, you're basically implying all gun owners want to shoot up schools, rather than an extremely small minority of individuals.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901226]please find me a chart detailing the amount of school shootings that didn't involve guns[/QUOTE]
please find me a chart detailing the amount of shootings that didn't happen despite high rates of gun ownership
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38901227]But most gun violence is caused by firearms that are either illegally purchased or stolen
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
Congratulations on making the most fucktarded statement ever.[/QUOTE]
Those guns were legally manufactured and distributed to society. I don't see how that is relevant to my universal statement seeing as ownership doesn't have to imply legal ownership anyway.
[QUOTE=zydos;38900862]How much worse off would your life be without them?[/QUOTE]
Why do you think it's any of your business?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38901227]But most gun violence is caused by firearms that are either illegally purchased or stolen
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
Congratulations on making the most fucktarded statement ever.[/QUOTE]
i know, it's hard to believe it's that simple. but here's the plain truth: if there are no guns, there will be no shootings. the concept of owning a gun is inherently retarded and there is [B]no real reason for it[/B]. you can give me the "shoot at targets" and "hunting" argument all day but those are both leisure activities that no one actually needs to perform in order to get by.
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;38901278]Why do you think it's any of your business?[/QUOTE]
because someone can steal your gun and shoot me with it.
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
or someone i know (for the literalists in this thread [there are a lot of them])
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901279]if there are no guns, there will be no shootings. [/QUOTE]
[t]http://www.dcnews.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Anders-Behring-Brevik-Norway-shooter.jpg[/t]
Oops
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901279]i know, it's hard to believe it's that simple. but here's the plain truth: if there are no guns, there will be no shootings. the concept of owning a gun is inherently retarded and there is [B]no real reason for it[/B]. you can give me the "shoot at targets" and "hunting" argument all day but those are both leisure activities that no one actually needs to perform in order to get by.
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
because someone can steal your gun and shoot me with it.[/QUOTE]
no cars, no car-related deaths
no knives, no knife-related deaths
no airplanes, no airplane-related deaths
no horses, no horse-related deaths
you can say this about literally anything, turn to any page in the dictionary and pick the first noun you see and you can apply that concept to it and use it as a basis for a ban as far as you are concerned
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38901249]please find me a chart detailing the amount of shootings that didn't happen despite high rates of gun ownership[/QUOTE]
lol you're acting like "eh it's only like a handful of shootings"
there should be 0 shootings
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901279]the concept of owning a gun is inherently retarded and there is [B]no real reason for it[/B].[/QUOTE]
And that's where we stop taking you seriously if that's how you want to argue.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;38901062]The potential of the weapon exceeds the need, you don't need a semi-automatic gun when you can use a bolt-action for the same reason. You may want it but I don't think want and ownership of guns should overlap[/QUOTE]
You obviously don't have migratory bird hunting in Australia, you need a semi-auto to kill ducks and geese effectively, since the bag limit is something like 36 birds max, and up to 12 in one day in all of Canada, you need a fast follow-up shot to get that second or even third bird to bring home to your family out of the flock flying overhead. And since you seldom hunt alone, you and your hunting buddies are likely all using semis, and are all aiming at a different part of the flock, to make sure you can all get some food for your families.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38901297][t]http://www.dcnews.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Anders-Behring-Brevik-Norway-shooter.jpg[/t]
Oops[/QUOTE]
He had a gun
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901135]because a gun is a deliberate killing tool. you don't need a gun and therefore shouldn't have in the same way you don't need to scale skyscrapers and therefore are not allowed to.[/QUOTE]
You dont need to race cars, and it endangers you, the other racers, and the people watching
should we ban fast cars and car racing?
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901279] if there are no guns, there will be no shootings.[/QUOTE]
so what you plan on doing is destroying every gun that's ever been made and lobotomizing everyone who knows how to make one?
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901310]lol you're acting like "eh it's only like a handful of shootings"
there should be 0 shootings[/QUOTE]
the solution isn't to punish the people who use them lawfully, it's to punish those that seek to use them unlawfully
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38901307]no cars, no car-related deaths
no knives, no knife-related deaths
no airplanes, no airplane-related deaths
no horses, no horse-related deaths
you can say this about literally anything, turn to any page in the dictionary and pick the first noun you see and you can apply that concept to it and use it as a basis for a ban as far as you are concerned[/QUOTE]
cars were built to move people from place to place
knives were built to cut food and rope
planes were built to transport people from continent to continent
horses were tamed (or whatever) to transport people from place to place
i can't say this about anything because guns were built with the sole purpose of [B]ending lives[/B].
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38901333]the solution isn't to punish the people who use them lawfully, it's to punish those that seek to use them unlawfully[/QUOTE]
telling someone they cant own a gun is not a punishment
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901135]because a gun is a deliberate killing tool. you don't need a gun and therefore shouldn't have in the same way you don't need to scale skyscrapers and therefore are not allowed to.[/QUOTE]
allow me to list just a small handful of things originally intended to kill or help kill
-knives
-bows
-javelins
-helicopters
-jet planes
-gps
-the internet
-the principle of interchangeable parts
since each one of these things was developed with efficient killing specifically in mind, I guess we'd better give all of these things up, despite their modern day uses (preparing meat, sports, emergency medical transport and rescue, travel, communication, the creation of every single standardized item, etc)
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901310]lol you're acting like "eh it's only like a handful of shootings"
there should be 0 shootings[/QUOTE]
That is literally and completely impossible, there will ALWAYS be shootings because there will ALWAYS be guns, even with a complete ban, you cannot eliminate the existence of guns in this world. It's impossible.
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;38901314]And that's where we stop taking you seriously if that's how you want to argue.[/QUOTE]
oh my god
start giving me real reasons then. "history" and "gun culture" are not real reasons.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901310]lol you're acting like "eh it's only like a handful of shootings"
there should be 0 shootings[/QUOTE]
And there should be 0 false incriminations of law-abiding citizens. Unfortunately, what you want would falsely incriminate almost 100,000 law-abiding citizens over a handful of shootings.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901338]cars were built to move people from place to place
knives were built to cut food and rope
planes were built to transport people from continent to continent
horses were tamed (or whatever) to transport people from place to place
i can't say this about anything because guns were built with the sole purpose of [B]ending lives[/B].
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
telling someone they cant own a gun is not a punishment[/QUOTE]
You obviously know shit-all about guns, planes, and knives.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901338]telling someone they cant own a gun is not a punishment[/QUOTE]
taking them away from people who already do is
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38901371]You obviously know shit-all about guns, planes, and knives.[/QUOTE]
I'm really excited to see how he'll respond to my post
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901362]oh my god
start giving me real reasons then. "history" and "gun culture" are not real reasons.[/QUOTE]
We gave you reasons. You said they "didn't matter". You can't just demand reasons and then go "WELL NOT THOSE ONES".
I just realized how much this thread feels like a '9/11 was an inside job' thread
[QUOTE=cccritical;38901345]allow me to list just a small handful of things originally intended to kill or help kill
-knives
-bows
-javelins
-helicopters
-jet planes
-gps
-the internet
-the principle of interchangeable parts
since each one of these things was developed with efficient killing specifically in mind, I guess we'd better give all of these things up, despite their modern day uses (preparing meat, sports, emergency medical transport and rescue, travel, communication, the creation of every single standardized item, etc)[/QUOTE]
i don't really think you're correct about a lot of those (or you're stretching the definition of some of them. like jet planes. people don't fly around in fucking fighter jets. they fly in passenger jets)
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901338]
i can't say this about anything because guns were built with the sole purpose of [B]ending lives[/B].
[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.pilkguns.com/morini-pistol-cm22-target-sport-feinwerkbau.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.harrogateshooting.co.uk/images/rifles.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/18/eller_hrs_0880oly3eller_2.jpg[/img]
?????
[QUOTE=cccritical;38901385]I just realized how much this thread feels like a '9/11 was an inside job' thread[/QUOTE]
The difference is that Governator Goblin would be on our side.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901388]i don't really think you're correct about a lot of those (or you're stretching the definition of some of them. like jet planes. people don't fly around in fucking fighter jets. they fly in passenger jets)[/QUOTE]
the jet was originally conceived as a more efficient way to put bombs on people the owner of the jet didn't like very much
[img]http://www.jocabphoto.com/img/s10/v2/p578213896-3.jpg[/img]
Guess what this is based off of?
[sp]the same gun used in the sandy hook shooting[/sp]
[editline]e[/editline]
fucking automerge
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901388]i don't really think you're correct about a lot of those (or you're stretching the definition of some of them. like jet planes. people don't fly around in fucking fighter jets. they fly in passenger jets)[/QUOTE]
passenger jets, derived from fighter jets, developed for stealth reconnaissance and bombing
knives, dating back to the stone age, made for hunting
bows and javelins for the same purpose
helicopters developed by Sikorsky for the Korean war
GPS and the internet developed by DARPA to 1. make nuclear launchers more accurate, and 2. provide fast efficient frontline communication
interchangeable parts to make repairing rifles easier
I'll get you sources on every single one of these tomorrow if you'd like, but until then, please stop posting thx
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