[QUOTE=DaCommie1;38901371]You obviously know shit-all about guns, planes, and knives.[/QUOTE]
which war was this used in
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg/800px-Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;38901427][img]http://www.jocabphoto.com/img/s10/v2/p578213896-3.jpg[/img]
Guess what this is based off of?
[sp]the same gun used in the sandy hook shooting[/sp]
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fucking automerge[/QUOTE]
*same gun which was never used but left in the sandy hook shooter's car
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901362]oh my god
start giving me real reasons then. "history" and "gun culture" are not real reasons.[/QUOTE]
"Real reason" We've given you real goddamn reasons; hunting, sport, protection. Apparently these aren't "real" enough to you, and to you there apparently must be on "real" reason, actually you've already said there isn't any, so why ask this kind of ridiculous rhetorical question when you're obviously not going to budge in your ignorant, intolerant, paranoid, narrow-minded view?
You don't think these reasons are good enough, well too bad, because the vast majority of the planet disagrees with you, most people see hunting as a perfectly valid reason to own a gun, no matter where on this earth you are. You can even get permits for hunting shotguns in China, Japan, and Vietnam. Hunting is pretty much universally accepted as a valid reason for owning a firearm, and who the hell are you, someone who obviously knows absolutely jack shit about guns or their sporting use, to tell me what kind of guns I can or can't hunt with? I'd hunt deer with an AK-47 if they were legal here, just to prove a point that every gun can have a sporting purpose.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;38901427][img]http://www.jocabphoto.com/img/s10/v2/p578213896-3.jpg[/img]
Guess what this is based off of?
[sp]the same gun used in the sandy hook shooting[/sp]
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having an orgasm thinking how efficient that would be in a shooting spree!!!!!!!
real talk though, you can tell how cold blooded that murderous thug is if you look at how he's modified that rifle, no law-abiding citizen would EVER use a red barrel shroud
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901448]which war was this used in
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg/800px-Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
The Cold War.
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/E_4b.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=cccritical;38901429]passenger jets, derived from fighter jets, developed for stealth reconnaissance and bombing
knives, dating back to the stone age, made for hunting
bows and javelins for the same purpose
helicopters developed by Sikorsky for the Korean war
GPS and the internet developed by DARPA to 1. make nuclear launchers more accurate, and 2. provide fast efficient frontline communication
interchangeable parts to make repairing rifles easier
I'll get you sources on every single one of these tomorrow if you'd like, but until then, please stop posting thx[/QUOTE]
if you're going to argue "derived from fighter jets" then we're talking semantics now
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901448]which war was this used in
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg/800px-Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
The military funded the basis of its creation.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901448]which war was this used in
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg/800px-Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
jet planes have moved on from their original intended purpose
exactly the same as another invention, can you guess?
[sp]guns you fucking retard[/sp]
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[QUOTE=Apache249;38901463]The Cold War.
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/E_4b.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
oh for reconnaissance. oh ok
[QUOTE=cccritical;38901458]having an orgasm thinking how efficient that would be in a shooting spree!!!!!!!
real talk though, you can tell how cold blooded that murderous thug is if you look at how he's modified that rifle, no law-abiding citizen would EVER use a red barrel shroud[/QUOTE]
Calm down, you're embarrassing yourself.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901481]oh for reconnaissance. oh ok[/QUOTE]
No, for command and control.
[QUOTE=cccritical;38901475]jet planes have moved on from their original intended purpose
exactly the same as another invention, can you guess?
[sp]guns you fucking retard[/sp][/QUOTE]
no, they haven't as evidenced by friday's events.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901448]which war was this used in
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg/800px-Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/YAL-1A_Airborne_Laser_unstowed.jpg[/t]
???
[QUOTE=Apache249;38901484]No, for command and control.[/QUOTE]
oh for communication. oh alright.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901467]if you're going to argue "derived from fighter jets" then we're talking semantics now[/QUOTE]
how so
a passenger jet liner is based on a military concept, in the same way that a hunting or competitive sports rifle is based on a military concept
the original intent of guns was to kill other human beings
now, guess what? now, that actually [i]isn't[/i] the original intent for civilian-legal firearms! wow! mind=blown rite rite
[QUOTE=teh pirate;38901490][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/YAL-1A_Airborne_Laser_unstowed.jpg[/IMG]
???[/QUOTE]
wow a completely different plane outfitted with military gadgets that are not present in the picture i posted
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901498]oh for communication. oh alright.[/QUOTE]
Do you have anything else to do than to dance around on that high-horse?
[QUOTE=cccritical;38900583]out of that entire list, there are two (2) things that aren't cosmetic
the neat thing is, you don't even need an outside-threaded barrel for a silent firearm
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTs-38_Stechkin_silent_revolver]this little guy[/url] is not only easier to conceal than every single 'assault weapon,' it's also dead silent without any modifications to it
banning guns because they look scary is not only ineffectual but absolutely wrong, it's as bad as banning cars for having spinning rims and spoilers and custom paint jobs because those are the vehicles most often used in street racing and street racing often leads to casualties[/QUOTE]
Completely offtopic, but I'm not against banning spinning rims.
I've been faked out by them moving in high glare situations a few times. It's rather frightening to suddenly think that a car is moving forward when it isn't. A rare occurrence to be sure, but it has happened.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;38901468]The military funded the basis of its creation.[/QUOTE]
and used it multiple times as an experimental weapons platform
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901498]oh for communication. oh alright.[/QUOTE]
Is there a problem?
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901487]no, they haven't as evidenced by friday's events.[/QUOTE]
Because we don't kill people with planes anymore right?
[sp]Oh wait...[/sp]
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901487]no, they haven't as evidenced by friday's events.[/QUOTE]
he used firearms designed for home protection in a way they weren't intended to be used by the creators
are you seeing a trend here? can you grasp this simple concept?
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901505]wow a completely different plane outfitted with military gadgets that are not present in the picture i posted[/QUOTE]
uh they're the same aircraft, the plane I posted is a boeing 747 with a fucking laser on it
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38901506]Do you have anything else to do than to dance around on that high-horse?[/QUOTE]
idk maybe i'll go polish my death machine because i like the way the barrel glints in the light as i shoot at some targets that are human shaped.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901487]no, they haven't as evidenced by friday's events.[/QUOTE]
Did you not just see the pictures I posted of[B] DEDICATED TARGET RIFLES [/B]that are not in any way designed to kill things?????
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[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901524]idk maybe i'll go polish my death machine because i like the way the barrel glints in the light as i shoot at some targets that are human shaped.[/QUOTE]
haha you showed him with that sik burn!!!!
[QUOTE=Mbbird;38901020]On absolute principle: Why do you find it weird that the people find the need to have the most effective and practical weapon of their time to protect their life, liberty, and property? Even if that makes me sound a bit pretentious it's why it is the way it is. Think of it like a civilian arms race. The threat of someone else having a powerful weapon with the intent of hurting you exists. In some areas more than others, but it certainly exists. Some people find comfort in leveling the playing field by owning the same weapon. That's what home defense comes down to, and if you have a problem in killing someone who wants to kill you then you've got big problems buddy.
You're naive in your approach to guns as a whole. You act as though everyone who owns a gun "just in case" is a retarded, self-entitled asshole. But surprise! There are in fact people out there with brains as large as yours! More often than not they're actually bigger! From a practical standpoint, it is [I]truly[/I] a "just in case" measure. But it goes beyond that too, and you're offensively defending your own lack of care for gun culture, but there are in fact also people who enjoy guns for what they are. I can't explain it, and women might call it a guy thing, but it's for the same reason some people wish they were real-life action heroes, and for the same reason some people join the military (as an infantryman). They just find them [I]interesting[/I]. People that have zero interest in guns evidently simply do not understand why people own guns for fun, but you need to step outside of your own dense skull for a second, suck it up, and deal with it.[/QUOTE]
A) Don't attempt to insult my intellect, there is no lower blow/easier way out, and frankly it just makes you sound like as much of a stupid twat as I do
B) I appreciate firearms as a mechanism, as a well-crafted, evolved means of killing, hunting, etc. It is the perfect example of mankind's wide and powerful grip on the world. We can hold a piece of metal in our hands that is effectively an extension of our will. If I want to kill a squirrel, I no longer have to get bloody and maim it, I can just point my human-power at it and blow it to pieces. I find their inner-workings fascinating, which is why I love my rifle and care for it immensely. What I dislike is their being used on humans as a "fuck you, you're toast" thing. Fucked my wife? Why duke it out like men when I can just shoot you? Try to steal my car? I'll just shoot you. It is definitely the quickest way to solve a problem, but by no means is it the best or cleanest. If somebody wants to break into my house, I will defend it. I will more readily swing a bat at somebody's head, of which I can control the force, than pull that trigger, because shooting somebody is so absolute. You can't control how much damage you do (well, only by aiming at a given region), it's just 'BANG'. You have to make that decision to decimate someone, a cop-out which quite frankly is unfair. It's just as unfair if a gangster uses it to blow somebody's brains out. Bang, they're dead, just like that. Therein lies the problem, it IS so absolute.
There are all sorts of shapes, sizes, and configurations of firearms that can rip you to shreds or barely puncture a thick jacket, but when people start to buy assault weapons for 'home defense', it seems a tad over-kill. Even the rounds people choose are a bit much. A shotgun loaded with birdshot, sure, that'll tear you up nicely, maybe you can walk away (or stumble out of the house you were trying to rob), but when somebody shoots you with a slug, holy fuck you're obliterated. The problem is that people have such easy access to things like this.
Now imagine some crazy wants to kill some people. He goes through the apparently easy-ish process legitimate gun owners go through to acquire high-calibre/powered firearms, and uses them on people. Weapons like this, anything that isn't classified as a hunting-weapon, should either be banned or severely regulated. Test after test after license after law, just to acquire said AK47. If somebody wanted to commit a massacre, they'd have a damn hard time getting their assault weapons, because they'd have to go through a wild system to get it, and even then they'd have it tightly controlled and registered, so the government can just look at their health and history and go "Fucking serious? No, you can't have an M14". Sure, they'll be able to acquire a hunting shotgun or a small-calibre rifle, which only somewhat limits the damage they can do.
I don't care if you want to own an M1014, you don't [I]need[/I] one as a law-abiding citizen. You don't ever need to pump 6 slugs into somebody in a matter of seconds. That's what scares me. If you really feel the need to own a firearm for home defense, that's your choice. You choose to walk that line of "well it depends where the bullet hits, I may or may not kill another human being". Buy a baseball bat, buy a fucking sword, or buy a gun. In any case, you're making the decision to wound a human being, but you just must also make the extra decision on how severely you will. Yet the ban will do no good, guns will always be a problem, as will the black-market that they are shipped around in endlessly, so we're eternally fucked over. Nothing will either change people's minds or stop gun violence, which is just something we'll have to get used to. Some European nations have banned guns all together, to what avail? Guns are around, man, you can't stop them
Love, me
[QUOTE=cccritical;38901518]he used firearms designed for home protection in a way they weren't intended to be used by the creators
are you seeing a trend here? can you grasp this simple concept?[/QUOTE]
home protection implies the maiming and possible killing a human.
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901448]which war was this used in
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg/800px-Ba_b747-400_g-bnle_arp.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Wtc_arial_march2001.jpg[/t]
Just in case you forgot already.
Phew, finally, a concise post pertaining to my thoughts. Sorry
[QUOTE=GoldenGnome;38901524]death machine[/QUOTE]
Are you just an alt of that guy we were arguing with a few pages ago?
EDIT: Guess not
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