David Cameron: 'Don’t complain about welfare cuts, go and find work'
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[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34380286]
Regardless, the daily mail is as credible as any other as far as figures go[/QUOTE]
which credible figures? i guess that's kind of the point isn't it. the lack of figures.
you can't prove the amount of abuse that actually happens in the system yet people are expected to allow public policy to be affected by it?
that's completely unfair.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34380211]You don't even live in the UK and you're trying to tell two British people about their country with uninformed socialist ramblings and cursing. I witness these people first hand nearly daily. I've provided figures already. There are more than enough articles exposing benefit fraud and abuse.
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Uh thisispain might be slightly wrong on this one but he was (iirc) born here and lived here for quite a while. He isn't just some American looking in on how things are done here with no understanding of it.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34380211]You don't even live in the UK and you're trying to tell two British people about their country with uninformed socialist ramblings and cursing. I witness these people first hand nearly daily. I've provided figures already. There are more than enough articles exposing benefit fraud and abuse.
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYYcAfZTH8M[/MEDIA][/QUOTE]
Yes there are benefit cheats but I think people getting the welfare they need and deserve is more important that people getting it who don't need or deserve it
The way benefits are targeted is far from perfect but we have to accept a level of wasteage if we want to stop people falling through the cracks
[QUOTE=Jsm;34380388]Uh thisispain might be slightly wrong on this one but he was (iirc) born here and lived here for quite a while. He isn't just some American looking in on how things are done here with no understanding of it.[/QUOTE]
how slightly wrong am i excuse me?
how about we focus on the actual argument instead of using a little flag as a red herring.
i'm not going to post my passport just because someone thinks i'm american and therefor shouldn't be allowed to speak on issues.
i mean it's 100% the same exact story in America too and yes they are just as wrong when it comes to welfare abuse.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34380337]which credible figures? i guess that's kind of the point isn't it. the lack of figures.
you can't prove the amount of abuse that actually happens in the system yet people are expected to allow public policy to be affected by it?
that's completely unfair.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/hb_ctb/recoveries_and_fraud_data/hbrf_fr_aug11.pdf[/url]
[url]http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd2/index.php?page=fraud_error[/url]
[QUOTE] The total value of Housing Benefit (HB) overpayments outstanding stood at £968m;
an 18% increas
The number of cases subject to investigation by the fraud section that were closed
has increased by 6.7%; the number of cases with a DWP benefit interest* has
increased by 3.4% [/QUOTE]
Feel free to browse around that site and find statistics yourself. There's plenty of it. Idiot.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34380415]how slightly wrong am i excuse me?
how about we focus on the actual argument instead of using a little flag as a red herring.[/QUOTE]
I say "slightly" because it does happen (even if there is no reported evidence of it, I can find a tone of people who know of people doing it) but not to the extremes that some people make out.
I'd personally love to see some stats on this one way or the other to be honest. People always moan about it but there is very few information on it.
Edit: And as if by magic, someone managed to find some as I was posting.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34380453][url]http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/hb_ctb/recoveries_and_fraud_data/hbrf_fr_aug11.pdf[/url]
Feel free to browse around that site and find statistics yourself. There's plenty of it. Idiot.[/QUOTE]
so we slightly shift from unemployment to housing benefits? okay that's fine.
and i guess we should also look at the part where it says that we have a 99% return rate in fraud when it comes to funds.
good job you have proven nothing, but at least this time you posted numbers, i appreciate that.
[editline]24th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jsm;34380467]
Edit: And as if by magic, someone managed to find some as I was posting.[/QUOTE]
don't bother, it's housing benefits fraud.
and it seems like the recovery has been quite effective so it doesn't quite prove anything.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34380518]so we slightly shift from unemployment to housing benefits? okay that's fine.[/QUOTE]
AS POSTED MULTIPLE TIMES BY LOTS OF PEOPLE THE REFORMS ARE ABOUT THE ENTIRE WELFARE SYSTEM.
I'm finished arguing with you because you've clearly proven you don't have a clue what you're talking about and I have to get up in the morning.
All these bullshit 'welfare cheat' witch hunts achieve nothing but to further stigmitise welfare recipients and the unemployed, no doubt putting people off claiming the support they are entitled to. Good job
[editline]25th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34380577]and I have to get up in the morning.[/QUOTE]
clearly inserted to show his smugness and sense of superiority over those without jobs
nice one cameron, glad to know the tories haven't changed a bit
[editline]25th January 2012[/editline]
fuck off back to eton
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34377179]2.62 million unemployed people
Around 500,000 jobs currently
How many of that 2.6million do you think is living in a council estate and has done all their life? It is a well established fact that unemployed people are content with their lives without jobs. They aren't looking for jobs.
There's something like 2-3% of people claiming benefits longer than 6 months; it doesn't take 6 months to get a job.
Plenty of jobs for people. Go get them.
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Did you even read what you typed? You literally just said that there are more unemployed people than there are jobs.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;34380853]Did you even read what you typed? You literally just said that there are more unemployed people than there are jobs.[/QUOTE]
He's also assuming that the jobs available are located in the same place as the unemployed, that those unemployed have the right skills for those jobs available and so on
Basically it's a massive and unhelpful simplification
Don't worr y he's only talking about people who don't want jobs that means the reforms won't affect anything else
I thought angrychair was gone forever when he was permabanned, I wish swebonny didn't unban him. I mean dear god look at his ban record. All he does is troll people and piss them off with topics he doesn't know about. Like how he thinks that all unemployed people are abusing the system and love it, that is just begging to start some shit.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;34380577]
I'm finished arguing with you because you've clearly proven you don't have a clue what you're talking about and I have to get up in the morning.[/QUOTE]
of course, don't want to slack all the way through year 6
Why the job market is fucked:
1. businesses developing products in foreign country so theirs a lack of middle - lower class jobs in the uk.
2. Mass cheap immigration from third world countries which take up all the lower-end work.
3. Lack of jobs to beguin with.
Solution: Stop mass immigration, bring factorys back to the uk and stop selling our businesses away. Like Cadbury, we need public companys, not private.
[QUOTE=Xperia;34383573]
Solution: Stop mass immigration, bring factorys back to the uk and stop selling our businesses away. Like Cadbury, we need public companys, not private.[/QUOTE]
wow brilliant solution, why hasn't anyone thought of it before?
uh yeah they did and it didn't work.
[QUOTE=Jsm;34380117]Well of course there isn't, no one is going to admit to it but it does happen.[/QUOTE]
This is the argument I hear for Sasquatch and the UFO crash at Roswell
I've been on JSA for quite a while now and its pretty shitty.
fuck cameron, my parents dont do any work but they just got me a car lmao, rock on benefits
p.s. ty tax payers, i could cope without my new car but LOL we got the money
[QUOTE=IZAC;34383951]fuck cameron, my parents dont do any work but they just got me a car lmao, rock on benefits
p.s. ty tax payers, i could cope without my new car but LOL we got the money[/QUOTE]
And thats why unemployment people get it's stigma as leachers. assholes like your immediate family abuse it.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;34384057]And thats why unemployment people get it's stigma as leachers. assholes like your immediate family abuse it.[/QUOTE]
actually the stigma comes from people believing lies like that.
this thread is fucked and many of you should feel bad
now I must leave before I get myself banned for flaming!
First I simply read "Cameron", thinking Jamie went full retard, but thank god this is just a random politician.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;34385384]First I simply read "Cameron", thinking Jamie went full retard, but thank god this is just a random politician.[/QUOTE]
About as 'random' as a tree being green as opposed to bright blue, but yes.
"At first I read 'United', thinking the football team went full retard, but thank god this is just a random country."
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34385462]About as 'random' as a tree being green as opposed to bright blue, but yes.
"At first I read 'United', thinking the football team went full retard, but thank god this is just a random country."[/QUOTE]
I was implying I dont give a fuck about politics.
[QUOTE=Xperia;34383573]
Solution: Stop mass immigration, bring factorys back to the uk and stop selling our businesses away. Like Cadbury, we need public companys, not private.[/QUOTE]
Multiple things wrong with that, mostly the fact that immigrants don't take [I]that[/I] many jobs and they do jobs that people refuse to do. Secondly thats a terrible argument, Kraft haven't moved production out of the UK.
[editline]25th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34383604]This is the argument I hear for Sasquatch and the UFO crash at Roswell[/QUOTE]
Fair play, but I think people are more likely to admit to those than they are to admit to intending to live off of benefits for life.
I actually just got a job at a local deli, but it took a grand 8 months to get after days of hunting and hunting. There's really not a lot of work out here and more and more jobs disappear. A lot of the mills and power plants just closed down the last year. I think we're at a 10% unemployment rate in oregon? 10% of oregon can't just be sitting around doing nothing...
Okay then Mr Cameron, i want your job.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;34385586]I was implying I dont give a fuck about politics.[/QUOTE]
WISH I COULD BE AS COOL AS YOU
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