Breaking: Egypt army deadline expires, Morsi proposes power-sharing government - army statement expe
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Funny how the Libyan one seems to be the one that turned out the best, given how people insisted that the tribal nature of Libyan society and the violent way the revolution went down would make it an ugly affair to rebuild.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;41297164]Does the "I love baton" guy still hang around? Would love it if he could give us news on what's going on like he did back then.[/QUOTE]
That's voodooattack, and [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1284028&p=41280423&viewfull=1#post41280423]yes he's still here[/url]
[quote]1745: Al-Jazeera Arabic is reporting that all presidential aides have left the presidential palace, and that only President Morsi is still around.[/quote]
Is he like hiding in the palace or what?
under a silly overturned desk? V:v:V
[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;41297245][/QUOTE]
BBC were reporting earlier that he wasn't even in the palace so that could mean its now empty.
So uh how does this work then, is it like king of the hill? Does the first one in get it?
I guess it's kinda like KOTH. No idea what the proper coup procedure is. There should be a handy manual or something.
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So uh how does this work then, is it like king of the hill? Does the first one in get it?[/QUOTE]
[B][I]BREAKING NEWS:[/I][/B] Private First Class M. Hassan, winner of 100-metre-dash at the regimental olympics, elected new president of Egypt!
[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;41297284]I guess it's kinda like KOTH. No idea what the proper coup procedure is. There should be a handy manual or something.[/QUOTE]
What to do after your pressident dissapears with no trace for dummies
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[QUOTE=Riller;41297305][B][I]BREAKING NEWS:[/I][/B] Private First Class M. Hassan, winner of 100-metre-dash at the regimental olympics, elected new president of Egypt![/QUOTE]
welp
[quote]Troops lining Nile bridge leading to Cairo Uni
[url]https://twitter.com/Alastair_Beach/status/352466934765326336/photo/1[/url][/quote]
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Morsi's clearly done, we just need the military to tell us what happens next
[QUOTE=Riller;41297305][B][I]BREAKING NEWS:[/I][/B] Private First Class M. Hassan, winner of 100-metre-dash at the regimental olympics, elected new president of Egypt![/QUOTE]
though that'd be funny this is no election, i'd assume the faction said private belongs to (EAF) is the one that takes the governmental power
protests have to be quelled too, wonder what that is like
"alright done taking over everyone go home"
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41296527]So then what? Peace through tyranny or some non sense? No government like that has ever worked ever.
If people vote for a party that bases itself on the sacrifice of kittens, and that party wins the majority, that means the majority wanted that party to win. If the majority vote for in Islamist politicians, then that means they wanted Islamist politicians.[/QUOTE]
So North Korea is an unacceptable government to the global community only because it wasn't democratically elected?
[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;41297372]though that'd be funny this is no election, i'd assume the faction said private belongs to (EAF) is the one that takes the governmental power[/QUOTE]
First thing I'd do if I were a private who were first to get in Morsi's chair would be to name myself General General Major General, so I'm leader of the EAF. That way, [I]I[/I] get the power.
[editline]3rd July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;41297395]So North Korea is an unacceptable government to the global community only because it wasn't democratically elected?[/QUOTE]
North Korean government wouldn't be elected, and certainly not stay in power, in the first place if it required a democratic process to get there, so your point is kinda moot..
[QUOTE=Riller;41297414]First thing I'd do if I were a private who were first to get in Morsi's chair would be to name myself General General Major General, so I'm leader of the EAF. That way, [I]I[/I] get the power.[/QUOTE]Your regime could be toppled in about 2 to 5 seconds!
Kind of sad watching news channels cut between the pro and anti Morsi rallies. Sky News is talking about it now, the anti Morsi demonstrators are shouting and setting off fireworks and waving laser pens everywhere while the Morsi supporters are just like :(
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41296527]So then what? Peace through tyranny or some non sense? No government like that has ever worked ever.
If people vote for a party that bases itself on the sacrifice of kittens, and that party wins the majority, that means the majority wanted that party to win. If the majority vote for in Islamist politicians, then that means they wanted Islamist politicians.[/QUOTE]
Make Egypt A constitutional republic. Which is what every other first world country including the US is.
[QUOTE=Zero Ziat;41297510]Your regime could be toppled in about 2 to 5 seconds![/QUOTE]
Not if I have velco-butt-pants! Would take at least ten, that way!
[QUOTE=Melkor;41297530]Make Egypt A constitutional republic. Which is what every other first world country including the US is.[/QUOTE]
apart from the ones that aren't??
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41297553]apart from the ones that aren't??[/QUOTE]
Such as?
[QUOTE=Melkor;41297560]Such as?[/QUOTE]
such as mine?
and norway
and sweden
and denmark
and spain
and belgium
and canada
and australia
and new zealand
and japan
and the netherlands
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41297604]such as mine?
and norway
and sweden
and denmark
and spain
and belgium
and canada
and australia
and new zealand
and japan
and the netherlands[/QUOTE]
Those [I]are[/I] constitutional democracies, though. Just not republics. Though I think there's a few that actually don't have constitutions, so there's that.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41297604]such as mine?
and norway
and sweden
and denmark
and spain
and belgium
and canada
and australia
and new zealand
and japan
and the netherlands[/QUOTE]
Nope, wrong on every count.
[QUOTE=Riller;41297625]Those [I]are[/I] constitutional democracies, though. Just not republics. Though I think there's a few that actually don't have constitutions, so there's that.[/QUOTE]
If you were a constitutional democracy that would mean that you have no representatives and the people vote directly on every law. A constitutional republic is a system of government where representatives are either elected by the people or appointed to their position to make laws, and that the country has a constitution.
[QUOTE=Riller;41297625]Those [I]are[/I] constitutional democracies, though. Just not republics. Though I think there's a few that actually don't have constitutions, so there's that.[/QUOTE]
he said constitutional republics. they all have constitutions, but they're all monarchies, not republics.
[QUOTE=Melkor;41297635]
If you were a constitutional democracy that would mean that you have no representatives and the people vote directly on every law. A constitutional republic is a system of government where representatives are either elected by the people or appointed to their position to make laws, and that the country has a constitution.[/QUOTE]
No, that's a [I]parliamentary[/I] democracy. A republic has a president.
[QUOTE=Riller;41297414]
North Korean government wouldn't be elected[/QUOTE]
yeah they kind of would
do we really need to go through the list of democratically elected militant/authoritarian governments
[QUOTE]and certainly not stay in power[/QUOTE]
ROFL that's what people were exactly afraid of this government doing they're kind of trying to throw him out now
[QUOTE=Riller;41297691]No, that's a [I]parliamentary[/I] democracy. A republic has a president.[/QUOTE]
Uh no. A parliamentary democracy just means that people vote on parties instead of actual representatives. And it still has a prime minister.
[QUOTE=Melkor;41297758]Uh no. A parliamentary democracy just means that people vote on parties instead of actual representatives. And it still has a prime minister.[/QUOTE]
A republic has a president, who is the head of state. The countries Hellduck listed are technically monarchies, where the head of state is a king or queen, though the power lies with the prime minister.
[QUOTE]In modern times, a common simplified definition of a republic is a government where the head of state is not a monarch.[/QUOTE]
Egypt should become a Roman province again the way it should be, Hail Emperor Augustus for Head of State!
[QUOTE=Riller;41297803]A republic has a president, who is the head of state. The countries Hellduck listed are technically monarchies, where the head of state is a king or queen, though the power lies with the prime minister.[/QUOTE]
Ok, if you want to get technical. But for all practical purposes the prime minister is the real head of state, which is why I lumped them in with being constitutional republics.
This is getting away from my original point though, which is that Democratic rule is a terrible idea which is why there are such things as constitutions and representatives.
morsi never did anything substantially wrong in the first place
he spent one year in office, the economy was in the shitter so people are all up in arms
they blame him for it, and now the egyptian people have ousted the only democratically elected president, and now their economy is only going to suffer even more
the only way i can see this becoming positive is if they draft a new constitution that creates a parliament and sets up term limits, but we'll have to see
I dont think its a good idea to bring in tanks and other military hardware around. Shit could get ugly.
Also a statement on facebook from the government:
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Office of Assistant to President of Egypt on Foreign Relations - Official
The Egyptian Presidency
Office of the Assistant to the President on Foreign Relations & International Cooperation
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For Immediate Release, July 3, 2013
As I write these lines I am fully aware that these may be the last lines I get to post on this page.
For the sake of Egypt and for historical accuracy, let’s call what is happening by its real name: Military coup.
It has been two and a half years after a popular revolution against a dictatorship that had strangled and drained Egypt for 30 years.
That revolution restored a sense of hope and fired up Egyptians’ dreams of a future in which they could claim for themselves the same dignity that is every human being’s birthright.
On Januray 25 I stood in Tahrir square. My children stood in protest in Cairo and Alexandria. We stood ready to sacrifice for this revolution. When we did that, we did not support a revolution of elites. And we did not support a conditional democracy. We stood, and we still stand, for a very simple idea: given freedom, we Egyptians can build institutions that allow us to promote and choose among all the different visions for the country. We quickly discovered that almost none of the other actors were willing to extend that idea to include us.
You have heard much during the past 30 months about ikhwan excluding all others. I will not try to convince you otherwise today. Perhaps there will come a day when honest academics have the courage to examine the record.
Today only one thing matters. In this day and age no military coup can succeed in the face of sizeable popular force without considerable bloodshed. Who among you is ready to shoulder that blame?
I am fully aware of the Egyptian media that has already attempted to frame ikhwan for every act of violence that has taken place in Egypt since January 2011. I am sure that you are tempted to believe this. But it will not be easy.
There are still people in Egypt who believe in their right to make a democratic choice. Hundreds of thousands of them have gathered in support of democracy and the Presidency. And they will not leave in the face of this attack. To move them, there will have to be violence. [B]It will either come from the army, the police, or the hired mercenarie[/B]s. Either way there will be considerable bloodshed. And the message will resonate throughout the Muslim World loud and clear: democracy is not for Muslims.
I do not need to explain in detail the worldwide catastrophic ramifications of this message. In the last week there has been every attempt to issue a counter narrative that this is just scaremongering and that the crushing of Egypt’s nascent democracy can be managed. We no longer have the time to engage in frivolous academic back and forth. The audience that reads this page understands the price that the world continues to pay for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Egypt is neither Afghanistan nor Iraq. Its symbolic weight and resulting impact is far more significant. [B]Last night, demonstrators at Cairo University supporting the President were fired upon using automatic weapons. Twenty people died and hunderds were injured.[/B]
There are people in Egypt and around the world that continue to try to justify the calls for early presidential elections because of the large numbers of demonstrators and the validity of their grievances.
Let me be very clear. The protesters represent a wide spectrum of Egyptians and many of them have genuine, valid grievances. President Morsy’s approval rating is down.
Now let me be equally clear. Since January and again in the last couple of weeks the President has repeatedly called for national dialog. Equally repeatedly, the opposition refused to participate. Increasingly, the so-called liberals of Egypt escalated a rhetoric inviting the military to become the custodians of government in Egypt. The opposition has steadfastly declined every option that entails a return to the ballot box.
Yesterday, the President received an initiative from an alliance of parties supporting constitutional legitimacy. He discussed it with the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defense and all three of them agreed that it presented an excellent path for Egypt out of its current impasse. The initiative called for a full change of cabinet, a prime minister acceptable to all, changing the public prosecutor, agreement on constitutional amendments, and a reconciliation commission.
And let us also be clear. The President did not have to offer all these concessions. In a democracy, there are simple consequences for the situation we see in Egypt: the President loses the next election or his party gets penalized in the upcoming parliamentary elections. Anything else is mob rule.
In the last year we have been castigated by foreign governments, foreign media, and rights groups whenever our reforms in the areas of rights and freedoms did not keep pace with the ambitions of some or adhere exactly to the forms used in other cultures. The silence of all of those voices with an impending military coup is hypocritical and that hypocrisy will not be lost on a large swathe of Egyptians, Arabs and Muslims.
Many have seen fit in these last months to lecture us on how democracy is more than just the ballot box. That may indeed be true. But what is definitely true is that there is no democracy without the ballot box.
-ENDS-[/quote]
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Its kinda odd that MB hq's are being firebombed and people are killing others with automatic weapons and its not be classified as terrorism.
[QUOTE=Melkor;41297530]Make Egypt A constitutional republic. Which is what every other first world country including the US is.[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting the UK, the Netherlands, Sweden etc are not first world countries?
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