[QUOTE=Monomiro;28115736]The only problem with your way of thinking is that there really are people that stupid in this world, unfortunately, though your way would reintroduce natural selection into the population.[/QUOTE]
I'm not particularly concerned for the people who are actually stupid enough to start drinking bleach and driving off cliffs because the government doesn't tell them not too (which despite my most cynical estimation is far from being a majority) But nothing would prevent people from starting a private "don't run with scissors" or "medical pills are not candy" campaign, but I think it would be largely unnecessary, the majority of the population is not mentally retarded.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;28115882]do you even realize how many holes there are in this? what if the problem doesn't manifest itself immediately? what if it comes 7-8 years later?[/QUOTE]
And even if you do take it to court, a wealthy company may end up paying off the judge.
[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Novistador;28115906]I'm not particularly concerned for the people who are actually stupid enough to start drinking bleach and driving off cliffs because the government doesn't tell them not too (which despite my most cynical estimation is far from being a majority) But nothing would prevent people from starting a private "don't run with scissors" or "medical pills are not candy" campaign, but I think it would be largely unnecessary, the majority of the population is not mentally retarded.[/QUOTE]
Listen, you're making fair points, but no matter how small the minority is that would do these things, those people are still there. Taking away regulation of these really basic, important things is not practical and it never will be.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28115912]And even if you do take it to court, a wealthy company may end up paying off the judge.[/QUOTE]
or more realistically paying you off. what do you think is cheaper? a total product recall or paying off the %1-5 of people who get dire side effects a few years later. and that's assuming all of them sue.
[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Novistador;28115906]I'm not particularly concerned for the people who are actually stupid enough to start drinking bleach and driving off cliffs because the government doesn't tell them not too (which despite my most cynical estimation is far from being a majority) But nothing would prevent people from starting a private "don't run with scissors" or "medical pills are not candy" campaign, but I think it would be largely unnecessary, the majority of the population is not mentally retarded.[/QUOTE]
so can we legalize all drugs for over the counter use?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28115857]The quality of American education today isn't even that great. To go any lower [B]would be inadequate[/B].[/QUOTE]
Indeed public education in north american today is terrible, which is why I think private education would do better.
I'm saying that in a private system poor people would have a lower(but not inadequate) standard of education than richer people(which would be equisite).
[QUOTE=Novistador;28115966]Indeed public education in north american today is terrible, [b]which is why I think private education would do better. [/b]
I'm saying that in a private system poor people would have a lower(but not inadequate) standard of education than richer people(which would be equisite).[/QUOTE]
and you base this unfounded claim on exactly what evidence?
[QUOTE=Miskav;28114734]But they already pay laughably low taxes, what's wrong with a few % higher taxes if you're already that low?
for example, I pay 53% of my income in taxes, and on top of that I have car insurance/mortgage/several other taxes and insurances that are mandatory, yet I don't have a care in the world.[/QUOTE]
Taxes in the US aren't that low. We have a huge ass military to pay to invade other countries. Honestly, I think that if we implemented most of the social programs found in Europe our taxes would be higher than all of them because we refuse to cut military spending. But if we do cut that to something reasonable, then yeah we might come out around 50%-ish.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;28115882]do you even realize how many holes there are in this? what if the problem doesn't manifest itself immediately? what if it comes 7-8 years later? you expect the people to just find out by themselves what is causing them to throw up blood or whatever it causes?[/QUOTE]
If they effect can't be discovered for 8 years how exactly do you expect the government to figure this out first.
Even if you are advocating some sort of 10 year testing period I think that in the case of drugs(which is really the only place this applys), I think the risk of taking a drug that hasn't been tested for 10 years might be outweighed by the benefit of a potential cure. Its really up to the patient to decide, I know if I were dieing or suffering greatly from a disease I would not want someone witholding treatment from me for 10 years just to be extra double sure.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;28115949]or more realistically paying you off. what do you think is cheaper? a total product recall or paying off the %1-5 of people who get dire side effects a few years later. and that's assuming all of them sue.
[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
so can we legalize all drugs for over the counter use?[/QUOTE]
Precisely. Regulation of business should be a cornerstone of any successful society.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;28115949]or more realistically paying you off. what do you think is cheaper? a total product recall or paying off the %1-5 of people who get dire side effects a few years later. and that's assuming all of them sue.
[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
so can we legalize all drugs for over the counter use?[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is something I would support (though not for minors as they are not yet fully developed people and are under the protection and control of their parents).
[QUOTE=faze;28113482]Nothing new, U.S. has been bankrupt for a while now.[/QUOTE]
Most countries are actually in the red right now :eng101:
Its been like that since the Cold War.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;28113520]USA actually had no debt during the Clinton administration.[/QUOTE]
He means that the deficit decreased.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28116020]Taxes in the US aren't that low. We have a huge ass military to pay to invade other countries. Honestly, I think that if we implemented most of the social programs found in Europe our taxes would be higher than all of them because we refuse to cut military spending. But if we do cut that to something reasonable, then yeah we might come out around 50%-ish.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, though that would require another total re-haul of your political system.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;28115993]and you base this unfounded claim on exactly what evidence?[/QUOTE]
The fact that as many people have pointed out public schools are horrible, and they are preventing there being a market for mid range education.
Thers no competition, theres no innovation only scrambling for government dollars and various bickering unions.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28116024]If they effect can't be discovered for 8 years how exactly do you expect the government to figure this out first.
Even if you are advocating some sort of 10 year testing period I think that in the case of drugs(which is really the only place this applys), I think the risk of taking a drug that hasn't been tested for 10 years might be outweighed by the benefit of a potential cure. Its really up to the patient to decide, I know if I were dieing or suffering greatly from a disease I would not want someone witholding treatment from me for 10 years just to be extra double sure.[/QUOTE]
hi im novistador and i dont know how medical testing works.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28115966]Indeed public education in north american today is terrible, which is why I think private education would do better.
I'm saying that in a private system poor people would have a lower(but not inadequate) standard of education than richer people(which would be equisite).[/QUOTE]
Any lower than what we have now IS INADEQUATE. Also, a system where the poor have inadequate education (or in your opinion, simply worse) and the rich have "exquisite" education, how in the world is that better?
[QUOTE=Novistador;28116074]The fact that as many people have pointed out public schools are horrible, and they are preventing there being a market for mid range education.
Thers no competition, theres no innovation only scrambling for government dollars and various bickering unions.[/QUOTE]
yes instead of fixing the problem we should obviously just get a system that fucks the poor.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28116047]Yes, that is something I would support (though not for minors as they are not yet fully developed people and are under the protection and control of their parents).[/QUOTE]
You would support legalization of all drugs?
[QUOTE=Novistador;28115094]This is an asinine argument and I'm pretty sure your intelligent to realize this fact.
Just because the government controls a certain service doesn't mean that its impossible for anyone else to do so, the only difference is that with government you don't have the choice to refuse the service and with private industry you do.
Also to try and say that someone who is against government monopolies is being somehow hypocritical to use the services provided by said monopolies is also ridiculous, why shouldn't they use those services after all its their taxes that are paying for them and they don't have any other choice.
The same thing goes for public schools, the people who send their kids there are already paying for school once in the form of taxes, meaning that they may not be able to afford a private school because that would require them having to pay for school twice, which many people can't afford because the market for low and medium end schools has been taken over by the government.
Basically its pointless to try and say "BUT YOU DRINK PUBLIC WATER" when they either don't have a choice, can't afford to pay for the same service twice or both.[/QUOTE]
So are you saying that people shouldn't have to pay for roads/water/public schooling/etc if they don't want to? Because that was the comparison I was making.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28115187]Thats because Canadian conservatives are just religious liberals.
Canadian politics consists of one big party with no real idealogical differences that just sits around all day making plays for popularity and nit picking.[/QUOTE]
Heh, an American insulting Canadian politics for popularity plays and nit-picking.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28116103]You would support legalization of all drugs?[/QUOTE]
i would.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28116074]The fact that as many people have pointed out public schools are horrible, and they are preventing there being a market for mid range education.
Thers no competition, theres no innovation only scrambling for government dollars and various bickering unions.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit man, the educational system should not ever be referred to as a "market". Schools should not function like businesses, that is not the purpose of them, mainly because how someone does in school affects them for the rest of their life.
Shit, time to move to Europe.
A ton of that money is from the current administration, although it has been built up substantially since Regan left.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28116121]Heh, an American insulting Canadian politics for popularity plays and nit-picking.[/QUOTE]
His description sounds rather similar to American politics actually.
[editline]17th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=EvilMattress;28116139]Shit, time to move to Europe.[/QUOTE]
The debt being trillions of dollars large is news to you?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28116131]Holy shit man, the educational system should not ever be referred to as a "market". Schools should not function like businesses, that is not the purpose of them, mainly because how someone does in school affects them for the rest of their life.[/QUOTE]
Schools and prisons are two places where capitalism don't belong
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28116131]Holy shit man, the educational system should not ever be referred to as a "market". Schools should not function like businesses, that is not the purpose of them, mainly because how someone does in school affects them for the rest of their life.[/QUOTE]
don't be silly. everything has a price.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28116160]His description sounds rather similar to American politics actually.
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Yeah. Because Canada is not a two-party system the parties actually have to work together to get things done. It's a much more effective system.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28116166]Schools and prisons are two places where capitalism don't belong[/QUOTE]
capitalism belongs everywhere you dirty commie!
i don't see how you guys consider capitalism and free healthcare/schooling to be so apart
there are tons of countries that are super capitalistic yet have excellent free schooling and healthcare
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28116166]Schools and prisons are two places where capitalism don't belong[/QUOTE]
You don't get it man, public schools are blocking the market for truly excellent education.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28115187]Thats because Canadian conservatives are just religious liberals.
Canadian politics consists of one big party with no real idealogical differences that just sits around all day making plays for popularity and nit picking.[/QUOTE]
what
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