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[QUOTE=Zeke129;28116180]Yeah. Because Canada is not a two-party system the parties actually have to work together to get things done. It's a much more effective system.[/QUOTE] I would agree, his description sounded very inaccurate. [editline]17th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kybalt;28116178]don't be silly. everything has a price.[/QUOTE] I mean, education is about learning and a lot of kids grow up in schools (in a sense). To treat that system like a "market" and how there would be a better "market" for "mid-range education" is just horrible. Everyone should receive the same education as their peer next to them (hopefully free of bias, be it religious or political).
hitler could fix the economy
Happy Debt Day! I'm going out to dinner, what are you guys doing to celebrate? [editline]17th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=abcpea2;28116330]hitler could fix the economy[/QUOTE] I don't think the economy would fit in an oven.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28116121] Heh, an American insulting Canadian politics for popularity plays and nit-picking.[/QUOTE] I'm from Newfoundland and live in Nova Scotia.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28116495]I'm from Newfoundland and live in Nova Scotia.[/QUOTE] Then your comment was even less forgivable
[QUOTE=Novistador;28116495]I'm from Newfoundland and live in Nova Scotia.[/QUOTE] Well your opinions on the politics of Canada are wrong.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28116180]Yeah. Because Canada is not a two-party system the parties actually have to work together to get things done. It's a much more effective system.[/QUOTE] [quote=Me]Thats because Canadian conservatives are just religious liberals. Canadian politics consists of one big party with no real idealogical differences that just sits around all day making plays for popularity and nit picking[/quote] This is what I mean, With the exception of the green party and the Bloc Quebecois, the three major political parties are all fairly similar in their ideologies and their actions, thats why their willing to "work together" Of course their lack of differences doesn't change the fact they still have to run against each other and get elected so instead of making explicit principled stands on important issues they just try and nit pick some concrete aspect of another parties idea, or result to terrible ad hominems( in the case of the conservatives.) This is also fairly accurate in my observation of american politics (which as a resident of Canada is equal if not greater that what I see of Canadian politics) with the exception that their politicians are willing to be a little more polarized.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28116613]This is what I mean, With the exception of the green party and the Bloc Quebecois, the three major political parties are all fairly similar in their ideologies and their actions, thats why their willing to "work together" Of course their lack of differences doesn't change the fact they still have to run against each other and get elected so instead of making explicit principled stands on important issues they just try and nit pick some concrete aspect of another parties idea, or result to terrible ad hominems( in the case of the conservatives.) This is also fairly accurate in my observation of american politics (which as a resident of Canada is equal if not greater that what I see of Canadian politics) with the exception that their politicians are willing to be a little more polarized.[/QUOTE] Perhaps their lack of differences arises from the fact that the Canadian public wouldn't stand for something like the American Republicans anywhere near their parliament.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28116600]Then your comment was even less forgivable[/QUOTE] Watch question period some time and try to deny that it usually goes like this. Liberal: "WHY HAVENT YOU DONT THIS THING CONSERVATIVES, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" Conservative (lieing while trying to placate the liberal) : "well for your information Mr. liberal we do do that thing you mentioned, but you don't know about it, in fact we did it so well we saved the economy" NDP: "WE DEMAND THE GOVERNMENT DO THAT THING, BUT WE WANT THEM TO DO IT TWICE AS MUCH AS THE LIBERALS SAY THE CONSERVATIVES ARE DOING IT" No one ever says "why do that" or "I am opposed on principle to that" they just try to pretend like their already doing what the issue is, or thinking of doing it, or want to to it more or less than they normally do it. this is what I mean by the statement that they have very little difference in ideology.
[QUOTE=faze;28113538]lolwut[/QUOTE] yup, we had a surplus believe it or not, learned about it in US History
"Little Jimmy has three Coca-Cola Classics™, and little Suzie has a one Coca-Cola Vault™. How many Coca-Cola™ Classics would Jimmy have to drink to get the same caffeine buzz as Suzie?" Privately owned education makes me thirsty.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28116636]Perhaps their lack of differences arises from the fact that the Canadian public wouldn't stand for something like the American Republicans anywhere near their parliament.[/QUOTE] Well that has a lot to do with the silly little self image problem "Canada" seems to have where instead of trying to invent its own identity it just tries to be "not america". Its like an angsty teenager rebelling against its Dad. Also the reason that Canadian politicians are homogeneous in ideology and only engage in nit picking dose not change the fact that they do it, which was my assertation.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28116613]This is what I mean, With the exception of the green party and the Bloc Quebecois, the three major political parties are all fairly similar in their ideologies and their actions, thats why their willing to "work together" Of course their lack of differences doesn't change the fact they still have to run against each other and get elected so instead of making explicit principled stands on important issues they just try and nit pick some concrete aspect of another parties idea, or result to terrible ad hominems( in the case of the conservatives.) This is also fairly accurate in my observation of american politics (which as a resident of Canada is equal if not greater that what I see of Canadian politics) with the exception that their politicians are willing to be a little more polarized.[/QUOTE] What about the NDP?
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;28116713]"Little Jimmy has three Coca-Cola Classics™, and little Suzie has a one Coca-Cola Vault™. How many Coca-Cola™ Classics would Jimmy have to drink to get the same caffeine buzz as Suzie?" Privately owned education makes me thirsty.[/QUOTE] Presumably private schools would be run by private school companies (whether their somewhere up the line owned by someone who owns another company is irrelevant) and the way that they would attract students is by advertising and emphasizing its value as a place of learning, not a soft drink factory. Even considering a privately sponsored institution I can't see the company getting the PR boots it was presumably trying to get if it was uncovered that the school they were sponsoring was teaching students useless information or weird marketing stuff like that.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28116760]Well that has a lot to do with the silly little self image problem "Canada" seems to have where instead of trying to invent its own identity it just tries to be "not america". Its like an angsty teenager rebelling against its Dad. Also the reason that Canadian politicians are homogeneous in ideology and only engage in nit picking dose not change the fact that they do it, which was my assertation.[/QUOTE] America is Canada's dad?
[QUOTE=Habsburg;28116868]What about the NDP?[/QUOTE] Read my other post, the NDP are just more consistent Liberals, they advocate the same things just to a larger degree and without as much fumbling about. The NDP are without a doubt the most consistent and non-hypocritical Canadian political party and I was a great supported of them and Jack Layton in the past. That said, being consistently and non-hypocritically wrong isn't exactly the greatest thing in the world to be.
we need to ship more opium to china; it worked for the brits
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28116897]America is Canada's dad?[/QUOTE] Some people seem to act that way for some reason. They can't understand that maybe Dad dose some good things, and some wrong things, but that everything he dose is not automatically bad because he dose them. This is a lot of Canadian's attitude , and you can see it when it comes to discussions about American influence on the culture (I mean not being america is pretty much the only justification for the existence of the CBC), or in government debates where they'll try to dismiss something as being an american idea.
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I blame the Federalists for bringing the United States into debt. Fucking Hamilton.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28115912]And even if you do take it to court, a wealthy company may end up paying off the judge. [editline]17th February 2011[/editline] Listen, you're making fair points, but no matter how small the minority is that would do these things, those people are still there. Taking away regulation of these really basic, important things is not practical and it never will be.[/QUOTE] Point 1, If it could be found that there was significant corruption within the legal system such that the end of all cases was determined by bribes than that would be a structural/procedural problem for the legal system to deal with and improve upon, not a reason to throw out the whole idea of prosecuting neglegent companies(which is something I think you'd be quite sympathetic to), I mean why not justs say "well a corporation could just pay off the FDA", the point is you cant pay off the whole FDA and you can't pay off the whole legal system, and avoid any anti corruption policys they may have in place. Point two, yes, why indeed, I am making fair points aren't I. and since we can both agree the portion of the population which is essentiall mentally retarded and incapable of engaging in any kind of self preservative reasoning. Then we can agree that in a society such as I described society would still be able to get along, we would just have a few morons with poked out eyes and broken legs, and thats not your or my problem. but if you want to make it your problem, by all means, go try and help them, I don't care and I wont stop you.
We've been in debt before the country started. We had to borrow cash for the Revolution, and we never could pay it back. I wish the countries could call all the debts off, considering they don't have a chance in hell to get paid back in full.
AMERICA: 1. always a big mounth to other countries. 2. hiding everything (included they have a big bill). 3. tries to impress with their army. 4. forcing other countries to war (see nr 1). 5. some ppl are too proud of themselfs (everywhere american flags). 6. more prisons than any other country. I dont hate it, just wanted to say this (if you dont believe me, can i prove it because i have american friends).
[QUOTE=vandooz;28117563]6. more crime than any other country.[/QUOTE] Yeah you don't know what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28117196]I blame the Federalists for bringing the United States into debt. Fucking Hamilton.[/QUOTE] Jefferson for president.
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[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28117618]Jefferson for president.[/QUOTE] Whatever he increased government spending by 126% when he bought Louisiana
Hey, Jefferson couldn't let dem frenchies have all that land y'know...
[QUOTE=vandooz;28117563]AMERICA: 1. always a big mounth to other countries. [/QUOTE] As an American, I can attest that we indeed all have enormous mounths.
[QUOTE=Novistador;28115765] Universal healthcare and public education take money, or resources, or wealth, from people who are capable of producing alot of it, and gives it to people who are not capable of producing alot of wealth.(for whatever reasons, maybe their less competent, maybe its because of their social environment, or whatever its irrelevant to this specific point) This is taking wealth from one person and REDISTRIBUTING it to other people, for whatever reason. [/QUOTE] But is this really a bad thing (Not necessarily saying you are saying it, but a lot of people do seem to)? From reading some posts on FP it seems that this the most evil idea on the planet and only one step away from becoming communists. [QUOTE=abcpea2;28116330]hitler could fix the economy[/QUOTE] To be fair he did sort out Germany's economy to some extent, shame he had to go ruin everything by invading Poland.
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