• Windows 8 Consumer Preview hits 1 million downloads in less than 24 hours
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[QUOTE=Panda X;34962097]Well of course, that doesn't help Microsoft. If they want 8 to be successful they have to address the concerns of the users who would be using it so it'll sell well.[/QUOTE] Which is exactly what they are looking at, touch screens are getting more and more popular, as are tablets.
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;34962105]Holy shit. That's one stupid BSOD.[/QUOTE] :(
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;34962105]Holy shit. That's one stupid BSOD.[/QUOTE] That actually looks smarter than all the others, provided that string is all you need to identify a certain problem. All in all, 8 is much more non-power-user friendly. An user can just go "my computer has that smileyface and says it's got a problem, says it's blahblah underscore blah blah" instead of "PC CRASHED, MANY UNINTELLIGIBLE NUMBERS, HELP"
[QUOTE=nekosune;34962116]Which is exactly what they are looking at, touch screens are getting more and more popular, as are tablets.[/QUOTE] That's great, but that doesn't mean it's the best idea to have a tablet interface on a desktop as it's made for the tablet. They should've built the Start Screen on top of Embedded 7 or ThinPC which is light weight compared to Windows Client. What users are left with is an inconsistent UI/UX.
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;34962105]Holy shit. That's one stupid BSOD.[/QUOTE] I think it's better. It tells you what to search online for, rather than dumping craploads of illegible text onto the screen.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34962146]Until tablets and touch screens are in the hands of hundreds of millions of people (500 mil +) they aren't worth looking at for Microsoft, right now each Windows at minimum sells 500 million units at $100+ a unit, that's a fuck ton of cash.[/QUOTE] I suspect microsoft are trying to push touchscreens with this, with windows 8 they seem to be trying to control the hardware much more, starting with the new bios specifications, that conviently let a lot of OEMS lock into windows.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;34962136]That actually looks smarter than all the others, provided that string is all you need to identify a certain problem. All in all, 8 is much more non-power-user friendly. An user can just go "my computer has that smileyface and says it's got a problem, says it's blahblah underscore blah blah" instead of "PC CRASHED, MANY UNINTELLIGIBLE NUMBERS, HELP"[/QUOTE] True, but... I guess I'm used to the old one. Carry on.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34962146]Until tablets and touch screens are in the hands of hundreds of millions of people (500 mil +) they aren't worth looking at for Microsoft, right now each Windows at minimum sells 500 million units at $100+ a unit, that's a fuck ton of cash.[/QUOTE] Do you work at microsoft or something that you KNOW what they're looking at and exactly what they're trying to do?
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;34962105]Holy shit. That's one stupid BSOD.[/QUOTE] Actually its very nice, it displays all the info you need to know to look up why it crashed in an easier to read format.
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Ok guys seriously, how do I bring back the bloody START button and menu in the consumer preview version? Is this even possible?
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34962171]I think it's better. It tells you what to search online for, rather than dumping craploads of illegible text onto the screen.[/QUOTE] The problem though is that without a proper error code that string sentence could possibly be a reason of many different problems.
Start button for Win8 (stable-r version courtesy of Woolio1) [QUOTE=woolio1;34943775]Ah-ha! I've found a relatively simple way to get full Start functionality back into Windows 8's Desktop mode. I used ViStart ([url]http://lee-soft.com/vistart/[/url]) In conjunction with this tutorial: [url]http://www.groovypost.com/howto/howto/add-a-blank-space-to-the-windows-7-taskbar/[/url] And now my taskbar looks like this: [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4010779/Windows%20Taskbar.PNG[/img] It's a bit glitchy, but it works pretty well. It restores the necessary functionality, while still allowing full Metro functionality in-tandem.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34962171]I think it's better. It tells you what to search online for, rather than dumping craploads of illegible text onto the screen.[/QUOTE] [press f12 to copy code to clipboard during next restart] all my money etc etc
[QUOTE=Panda X;34962097]Well of course, that doesn't help Microsoft. If they want 8 to be successful they have to address the concerns of the users who would be using it so it'll sell well.[/QUOTE] Sure, but if people go and disable it right away, there isn't much to do. I would like a disable option, too, but on my laptop I prefer it.
[QUOTE=Delta616;34962018][IMG]http://www.itknowledge24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Windows_8_dpc_watchdog_violation.png[/IMG] Got my first bluescreen.[/QUOTE]If that error message provides specific information on the problem and it's cause, then that's nice. But somehow I don't think it does, and am personally hoping there'll be a log somewhere that gives some actual useful information that can be used to solve the problem.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;34962675]Sure, but if people go and disable it right away, there isn't much to do. I would like a disable option, too, but on my laptop I prefer it.[/QUOTE] I've seen a lot of features in Windows get as much dislike as the start screen which were optional then later people liked them. The thing here is someone would get Windows 8 for other reasons, turn it off initially and somewhere down the road try it out for one reason or another, perhaps this time they'll like it after a good use and switch to it. This benefits Microsoft both in terms of sales and the evolution of their OS. It's a win win. Of course this doesn't apply to everybody, there are still people who use that god awful classic shell in 7 for example, but as it is now, not as many people would get 8 considering the lack of the option and the drastic change, which hurts Microsoft. There isn't really a down side to having the option. Eventually if it really works in the minds of most users it'll continue from there. I too would like it on my laptop, but not on my desktop. [editline]2nd March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;34962750]If that error message provides specific information on the problem and it's cause, then that's nice. But somehow I don't think it does, and am personally hoping there'll be a log somewhere that gives some actual useful information that can be used to solve the problem.[/QUOTE] Go to MSDN and search for DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION it'll give you info.
[QUOTE=Panda X;34962752]I've seen a lot of features in Windows get as much dislike as the start screen which were optional then later people liked them. The thing here is someone would get Windows 8 for other reasons, turn it off initially and somewhere down the road try it out for one reason or another, perhaps this time they'll like it after a good use and switch to it. This benefits Microsoft both in terms of sales and the evolution of their OS. It's a win win. Of course this doesn't apply to everybody, there are still people who use that god awful classic shell in 7 for example, but as it is now, not as many people would get 8 considering the lack of the option and the drastic change, which hurts Microsoft. There isn't really a down side to having the option. Eventually if it really works in the minds of most users it'll continue from there. I too would like it on my laptop, but not on my desktop. [editline]2nd March 2012[/editline] Go to MSDN and search for DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION it'll give you info.[/QUOTE] I think your half-way right.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;34962782]I think your half-way right.[/QUOTE] Which half?
[QUOTE=Hentie;34959715]For those who haven't seen VS2011: [thumb]http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-92-metablogapi/3225.dev11darktheme_5F00_5FAA05D6.png[/thumb][/QUOTE] Why did they metro style VS11 but not Windows 8 itself? This is by far my biggest gripe with Windows 8. It looks unpolished as fuck because it's 80% using the Windows 7 look, even with a few new Ribbon bars, but then there are parts that look radically different (Metro) and have absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the OS in terms of how you use it and how it looks and what it does. It's like you're booting two OSs at the same time. You can only launch Metro apps in the "Metro OS" and only launch Windows apps in the "Windows OS". It's retarded. Even the truly awesome new APIs with the Android-style intents don't work in Windows mode as far as I know, they only work in "Metro/tablet mode". What they should have done is united Desktop and Metro like ICS did for Android. There were two completely different largely incompatible versions (GB and HC) and then they combined them into one that looks and feels consistent, uses the same APIs and is compatible with both types of devices in the same way. Booting both HC and GB on a tablet would be idiotic, especially if it FORCES you to switch between the two all the time. For instance when you open the app drawer. Edit: Sorry for the rant and wall of text, but I'm disappointed and angry at Microsoft and I even liked Vista.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34961836]If you're talking about the Asus Transformer, that runs on an ARM CPU. So even if you installed Windows 8 for ARM you couldn't use any of the normal x86 Windows apps so you lose any benefit you would have gained from using Windows. Might as well just use Linux (which has much better/more mature ARM support).[/QUOTE] Nah the syncing and integration is amazing. Consistancy makes a bigger impression on people than trivial linux nerd nitpicks Besides, Windows 8 ARM will get far better support than an the <1% market share Linux has.
[QUOTE=Robber;34962825]Why did they metro style VS11 but not Windows 8 itself? This is by far my biggest gripe with Windows 8. It looks unpolished as fuck because it's 80% using the Windows 7 look, even with a few new Ribbon bars, but then there are parts that look radically different (Metro) and have absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the OS in terms of how you use it and how it looks and what it does. It's like you're booting two OSs at the same time. You can only launch Metro apps in the "Metro OS" and only launch Windows apps in the "Windows OS". It's retarded. Even the truly awesome new APIs with the Android-style intents don't work in Windows mode as far as I know, they only work in "Metro/tablet mode". What they should have done is united Desktop and Metro like ICS did for Android. There were two completely different largely incompatible versions (GB and HC) and then they combined them into one that looks and feels consistent, uses the same APIs and is compatible with both types of devices in the same way. Booting both HC and GB on a tablet would be idiotic, especially if it FORCES you to switch between the two all the time. For instance when you open the app drawer. Edit: Sorry for the rant and wall of text, but I'm disappointed and angry at Microsoft and I even liked Vista.[/QUOTE] There is the quite unfinished Aero Lite theme which is like Metro in terms of being flat, square, and simple. Though doesn't change the ribbon or anything.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;34962340]The problem though is that without a proper error code that string sentence could possibly be a reason of many different problems.[/QUOTE] Use a blue screen dump tool like Bluescreenview then.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;34963042]Use a blue screen dump tool like Bluescreenview then.[/QUOTE] If I used win8 I'd have to because now the bluescreen is almost as useless as mac screen, but with a bit more info thankfully.
installed it, gpu drivers to didn't work (even the ones made for the consumer preview ), sound drivers didn't work, and keyboard drivers didn't work. maybe I will try again when it gets fully released
[QUOTE=Panda X;34962973]There is the quite unfinished Aero Lite theme which is like Metro in terms of being flat, square, and simple. Though doesn't change the ribbon or anything.[/QUOTE] Exactly, the whole OS is unfinished. They should have released this HC-style for tablets only and in 2 years or so a complete, [I][B]consistent [/B][/I]and awesome OS for both.
honestly i think a lot of the opposition to windows 8 lies in the usual adversity to change people were actually complaining about the windows 7 superbar saying showing just icons and then stacking the icons up was stupid, but now it's probably one of my favorite parts of windows 7. i think there's a lot of kneejerk reactions taking place which is keeping people from actually using windows 8 for more than 15 minutes before uninstalling and making up their mind. i installed windows 8 on my laptop a day or two ago and at first i wasn't impressed. it was too much change and everything just seemed wrong. after using it for an hour or two though i'm already considering sticking it on my desktop. the improvements to explorer are awesome, the replacement of the start menu with metro is annoying but still usable, the metro ui provides a more detailed search function and a list of all your installed applications, so it provides all the same functionality as the old start menu, the only real con i see is that it has a fade in/fade out animation which might be slightly annoying if you work at light speed. the improvements to the Aero interface look quite nice, and the speed improvements are noticable. combined with a lot of other tweaks regarding user settings, PC security, etc, it comes out as a really awesome operating system for the average PC user. if you're someone who does work on your computer and waiting half a second for your start menu to open is a game breaker, then i guess windows 8 isnt for you, but when you get down to it the metro ui has everything the start menu had, and more. it's not to say there aren't any issues with windows 8 (the post about booting the Windows OS and the Metro OS was spot on), i'm just saying there are a lot of small issues being blown out of proportion by people who haven't given themselves a chance to get acquainted with the system.
Well regardless it needs some adjustments for non-touch computers. For god's sake some programs even tell you to TOUCH the friggin thing to use it.
Yeah, they have way too many functions tied to gestures. That's all fine and dandy for touchscreens, but most of them work like shit with a mouse. Especially the charms on the right. Getting that menu open can be a bitch sometimes, although in my case it's even worse since I have a second monitor. If I overshoot that hotzone by a couple pixels my mouse goes to the second monitor.
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;34964634]Yeah, they have way too many functions tied to gestures. That's all fine and dandy for touchscreens, but most of them work like shit with a mouse. Especially the charms on the right. Getting that menu open can be a bitch sometimes, although in my case it's even worse since I have a second monitor. If I overshoot that hotzone by a couple pixels my mouse goes to the second monitor.[/QUOTE] Win+C is easier for multi monitors. So is using Win+Tab for the left menu.
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