• Pokemon Black And White 2 Takes Japan By Storm This June
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[QUOTE=Megafan;34872156] If it works why does it need a sequel that is basically the same?[/QUOTE] This. Just imagine if there was a TF6 by now, same styalized graphics, and it's just the current TF2 but with all updates they added over the years? They should just make one final Pokemon game, and release DLC for it. Again this is from the consumer's point of view, not Nintendo's. Nintendo's consumers just bend over for Nintendo though.
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;34872147]couldn't you say the same thing about Half-Life then is Half-Life shit? why change it if it works?[/QUOTE] Half Life and Half Life 2 + episodes both have radically different stories
[QUOTE=Cuntsman;34872083] It's baby's first jRPG[/QUOTE] I guess that's why people like it. It's easy to get into since you don't have to grind and it's more forgiving than other JRPGs. I remember transitioning to Pokemon to Tales of Symphonia and: 1. I got lost since it was nonlinear. 2. I didn't bother to explore anywhere since I thought it was linear. 3. I didn't know the concept of sidequests. 4. I got killed by bosses repeatedly since I didn't know how to grind.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34872145]Did fixing how Special Attack works so radically change the gameplay in Diamond/Pearl that it was worth a whole game?[/QUOTE] It was broken, so so very broken. Sp stats was a JOKE in gen 1-3. Given the change in gen 4, it opened up the metagame vastly.
[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;34872181]We obviously do not think on the same level here. For me, Pokemon is about the competitive side. Each rodent has something unique about it. Whether it be its movepool or ability. I enjoy the story also, good time killer for a handheld.[/QUOTE] It seems like you've analyzed the game at such a microscopic level that the minor differences become huge changes, and to you (and no doubt to others) it seems like it warrants a sequel.
[QUOTE=Cuntsman;34872211]Half Life and Half Life 2 + episodes both have radically different stories[/QUOTE] I didn't realize we were talking about stories but okay let's talk about stories now it's true that the stories for pokemon games have been rather simple up until now but if you played Black or White (which you didn't) you'd know that the story for this one is rather in-depth and actually warrants a sequel
Why do people nowadays expect a sequel to completely reinvent a series? Did you see people complaining that DOOM 2 was just a map pack for the original DOOM with a few new monsters and ONE new gun? Is there something wrong with people wanting more of something they like?
[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;34872219]It was broken, so so very broken. Sp stats was a JOKE in gen 1-3. Given the change in gen 4, it opened up the metagame vastly.[/QUOTE] Perhaps, but a change in such a small detail hardly warrants a sequel. That'd be like, in the Battlefield series, releasing a new game because the recoil system was off. [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=salty peanut v2;34872248]I didn't realize we were talking about stories but okay it's true that the stories for pokemon games have been rather simple up until now but if you played Black or White (which you didn't) you'd know that the story for this one is rather in-depth and actually warrants a sequel[/QUOTE] I wasn't shifting to story, I was just mentioning it.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34872236]It seems like you've analyzed the game at such a microscopic level that the minor differences become huge changes, and to you (and no doubt to others) it seems like it warrants a sequel.[/QUOTE] Damn right. Minor things become big things. For the average person who plays Pokemon start to end, yea I can see why.
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;34872248]I didn't realize we were talking about stories but okay let's talk about stories now it's true that the stories for pokemon games have been rather simple up until now but if you played Black or White (which you didn't) you'd know that the story for this one is rather in-depth and actually warrants a sequel[/QUOTE] don't you still have to collect 8 medallions or whatever
[QUOTE=Zanfall;34872250]Why do people nowadays expect a sequel to completely reinvent a series? Did you see people complaining that DOOM 2 was just a map pack for the original DOOM with a few new monsters and ONE new gun? Is there something wrong with people wanting more of something they like?[/QUOTE] There's a difference between improving upon a game enough to warrant a sequel and completely reinventing it. [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Wingedwizard;34872264]Damn right. Minor things become big things. For the average person who plays Pokemon start to end, yea I can see why.[/QUOTE] Yeah, to most of the people who buy pokemon, something as small as one of the stats not working right is hardly worth a new game.
[QUOTE=Zanfall;34872250]Why do people nowadays expect a sequel to completely reinvent a series? Did you see people complaining that DOOM 2 was just a map pack for the original DOOM with a few new monsters and ONE new gun? Is there something wrong with people wanting more of something they like?[/QUOTE] There's a difference between expecting reinvention and something that is added that changes the game enough to where it doesn't feel exactly the same as its predecessor. The reason people didn't complain about DOOM is because hardware was very constricting back then, and also the genre was fairly new so more of the same old stuff didn't bother anyone. Plus, those games were more for the challenge of it.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34872269]Yeah, to most of the people who buy pokemon, something as small as one of the stats not working right is hardly worth a new game.[/QUOTE] Still enjoyable because its different. And each game adds something, not just fixes. I mean 100+ new Pokemon is BIG.
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;34872248]I didn't realize we were talking about stories but okay let's talk about stories now it's true that the stories for pokemon games have been rather simple up until now but if you played Black or White (which you didn't) you'd know that the story for this one is rather in-depth and actually warrants a sequel[/QUOTE] But tell me, is it not basically the same? 10~15 year old boy/girl gets his/her first pokemon, they go into forest/industrial area/city and collect 8 badges, and eventually they fight the Elite Four. Sure, occasionally you get visits from your rival and occasionally have to deal with whatever evil team is evil in the game, but it's [I]basically the same game.[/I] [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Wingedwizard;34872291]Still enjoyable because its different. And each game adds something, not just fixes. I mean 100+ new Pokemon is BIG.[/QUOTE] Again, though, it changes hardly anything if you aren't analyzing every detail like that.
[QUOTE=wari65;34870292]I guess they realized they'll eventually run out of colors[/QUOTE] Pokemon Transparent and Opaque.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34872301]But tell me, is it not basically the same? 10~15 year old boy/girl gets his/her first pokemon, they go into forest/industrial area/city and collect 8 badges, and eventually they fight the Elite Four. Sure, occasionally you get visits from your rival and occasionally have to deal with whatever evil team is evil in the game, but it's [I]basically the same game.[/I][/QUOTE] I'm not talking about the freaking pokemon league continuation because that's established as how it's going to be every single time, that's [i]not[/i] the story the story I'm talking about is that of Team Plasma, N, and his father the [i]actual conflict[/i] of the game
So how is a sequel if you start all over again, doing the same thing but with a couple new pokemon? Or did i miss something
[QUOTE=Megafan;34872301]Again, though, it changes hardly anything if you aren't analyzing every detail like that.[/QUOTE] Again, 100+ Pokemon is not microscopic. There's what, only <700? 1 to 2 to was a was roughly a 65% boost in number of Pokemon. That's a huge amount and cant be brushed off as microscopic.
[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;34872181]We obviously do not think on the same level here. For me, Pokemon is about the competitive side. Each rodent has something unique about it. Whether it be its movepool or ability. I enjoy the story also, good time killer for a handheld.[/QUOTE] I agree. I'm not sure if many people know this, but competitive pokemon is actually strategical and not just for kiddies "charizard is the coolest pokemon ever!!!" and stuff like that.
[QUOTE=mark6789;34872358]So how is a sequel if you start all over again, doing the same thing but with a couple new pokemon? Or did i miss something[/QUOTE] No one knows yet, looks kinda of a continuation of Black and White. And you dumbasses are still fighting about this? Jesus fuck, if you haven't played Black and/or White and post that it's dumb that an actual sequel is coming out, just fucking leave this thread because you can't say jack shit about these games.
I assume the storyline of b/w2 will be about how the same player character finds N again in a different region, as in the end of b/w, once you find all of the sages, Looker tells you that N was last seen flying away on a legendary, depending on your version. (black-zekrom, white-reshiram)
[QUOTE=mark6789;34872358]So how is a sequel if you start all over again, doing the same thing but with a couple new pokemon? Or did i miss something[/QUOTE] A couple? It's entirely new pokemon until you beat the champion and get the nation pokedex. Plus an entirely different story.
[QUOTE=~Myst;34872454]A couple? It's entirely new pokemon until you beat the champion and get the nation pokedex. Plus an entirely different story.[/QUOTE] I havnt keep up with pokemon for awhile but this sequel is pretty interesting.
[QUOTE=~Myst;34872004]You have got to be kidding. Really? ... REALLY?[/QUOTE] I don't even bother reading his posts before rating them dumb anymore. Saves a lot of time.
I haven't finished white version. :|. But I really just want a god damned little pichu.
[QUOTE=dass;34871442]IMO, Mario should have died years ago... I don't know how they haven't made a Call of Mario: Mushroom Warfare game yet...[/QUOTE] But if they did that, Super Mario Galaxy wouldn't have been made, and that was one of the best video games period. I'm getting the feeling that The Baconator is pretty anti-Nintendo. :v:
Wish they'd do something exciting with the series for once. I mean I like the very open/RPG concept of the Pokemon games but I think I would play a new Pokemon game if they didn't stick to the old formula by the letter. [editline]26th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dass;34871442]IMO, Mario should have died years ago... I don't know how they haven't made a Call of Mario: Mushroom Warfare game yet...[/QUOTE] Because with Mario games, they manage to keep the same classic gameplay style but use it in new ways so that it doesn't feel the same all the time. Something other ongoing series' like Pokemon and CoD don't really do.
[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;34872291]Still enjoyable because its different. And each game adds something, not just fixes. I mean 100+ new Pokemon is BIG.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=The Baconator;34872122]You do realize the new pokemon just replace the old ones? Remember how in the beginning of new pokemon games, you always fight a bunch of rodent pokemon? They just replace said rodent with another.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=john_frohman;34873386]replies replying to replies[/QUOTE] is there only one kind of rodent/bird/caterpillar in the world? would the pokemon world be any different? besides, although the start-of-game critters are usually similar, they do have differences it's not like they set the tone for the whole game, any sane person will end up using pokemon from later on, since those earlier pokemon are usually not as powerful
[url]http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/[/url] They're actually called "Pokemon Black Version 2 and Pokémon White Version 2", so I don't think they'll actually be continuations of the story, just different versions like the third game in the generation always is.
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