• Mexico declares all-out war after drug cartel shoots down Army helicopter
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[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;47668438]I'm surprised mexico hasn't asked good ol' uncle Sam for help. Hell they could wrap it under terrorism and we'd be glad to throw troops and bombs at the problem[/QUOTE] Imagine you move into a neighborhood. Your house, family and everything else are nice, as far as things go, but the guy who also moved in next to you has a huge mansion, a supermodel wife, and a garage full of Lamborghinis. And he's a huge dick to you about it. Now fast forward several years. Your house is now infested with termites. You can't afford an exterminator without financially crippling your family. The easiest way for you to get that money is to borrow it from your asshole neighbor. What do you do?
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47666859]You know there is something wrong when the drug cartels have weaponry comparable to insurgents.[/QUOTE] Not really. I believe the drug industry makes billions if not trillions of dollars. Spending a few million dollars to buy top notch weaponry by having a seedy meeting with a Russian arms dealer in an abandoned warehouse by the docks is nothing for a drug baron.
You would think that these cartels are more of a threat to the US since [b]they right fucking south of us[/b]
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;47669414]You would think that these cartels are more of a threat to the US since [b]they right fucking south of us[/b][/QUOTE] On the other hand they haven't performed any high-profile attacks on the US, so the general public could care less. More to the point, the cartels are a business, not a terrorist group obsessed with destroying the west; the cartels know going to war with the US would be very bad for business, and they have no reason to regardless, so they don't give the US enough justification to violate Mexico's sovereignty to wage war on them.
The cartels are a suped-up version of the Mafia now. They make a huge portion of their money through legal business ventures, and their influence runs deep through Mexican society. The only way to get rid of them is through criminal prosecutions/military action when appropriate. Good on Mexico.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;47669414]You would think that these cartels are more of a threat to the US since [b]they right fucking south of us[/b][/QUOTE] Yeah but the cartels aren't dumb enough to do anything that would warrant the US co-invading Mexico and chumming it up with their army.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47670172]Yeah but the cartels aren't dumb enough to do anything that would warrant the US co-invading Mexico and chumming it up with their army.[/QUOTE] It's kinda scary to think there are criminal organisations big enough to worry about these kinda political implications
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;47670192]It's kinda scary to think there are criminal organisations big enough to worry about these kinda political implications[/QUOTE] It's more the fact that they don't want the cartels being active in the US the way they are in Mexico, it's one thing for them to be hanging and decapitating another countries people but if they start on your own then things are bad. Plus America really doesn't need to be dragged into a war on their southern border, can you imagine the public backlash?
[QUOTE=draugur;47667073]Legalized pot in Colorado has had zero effect on lowering crime rate and has caused a massive surge in the sale of "harder" drugs like coke and heroin. It's a business and as history has shown, when a business faces a profit problem, they reinvent the company a bit to make profit again.[/QUOTE] Source?
Jalisco Cartel are babies. The MS-13 and Los Zetas has more weaponry and manpower than the mexican police force, and also control far more areas, especialy Mexico City. They control the political choices by violence and fear. Alot of politicians has been murdered because they stod up. Rebels and regular civilians has fought against the cartels for almost 20 years. I hope this event is actually seriouse because there is already a war going on, in specific areas of Mexico.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;47670265]Source?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-a-sabet-phd/crime-is-up-in-colorado-w_b_5663046.html[/url] Here's one, and I'm sure doing anything more than a 5 second google search will find more. The only thing that went down is pot related arrests, which SURPRISE SURPRISE there since it's legal so.. If you want sources to the pushing of harder drugs, I have one articles I can link as a source but I got my info primarily from a few connections I have to the drug world in Denver, one of whom is actually a dealer for a cartel because that's how he managed to get into the country. [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/losing-marijuana-business-mexican-cartels-push-heroin-and-meth/2015/01/11/91fe44ce-8532-11e4-abcf-5a3d7b3b20b8_story.html[/url] Disclaimer: No I don't dabble in drugs anymore, got over that shit in high school because it's childish and pointless imo. [editline]6th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Psychokitten;47668982]Imagine you move into a neighborhood. Your house, family and everything else are nice, as far as things go, but the guy who also moved in next to you has a huge mansion, a supermodel wife, and a garage full of Lamborghinis. And he's a huge dick to you about it. Now fast forward several years. Your house is now infested with termites. You can't afford an exterminator without financially crippling your family. The easiest way for you to get that money is to borrow it from your asshole neighbor. What do you do?[/QUOTE] Burn the house down for insurance money.
[QUOTE=draugur;47670750]Burn the house down for insurance money.[/QUOTE] That doesn't work in the context of the metaphor, unless you're implying we should nuke Mexico.
[QUOTE=Deng;47667007]How can anybody be deluded enough to think that allowing people to smoke pot is going to be anything but a minor nuisance at most for the cartels in Mexico?[/QUOTE] You're missing the point. Drug cartels love prohibition because it basically grants them a monopoly on drugs. If however the state were to legalize and regulate recreational drugs, then the cartel would face direct economic competition. Would it completely solve drug crime? No would it help greatly? Yes
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675099]You're missing the point. Drug cartels love prohibition because it basically grants them a monopoly on drugs. If however the state were to legalize and regulate recreational drugs, then the cartel would face direct economic competition. Would it completely solve drug crime? No would it help greatly? Yes[/QUOTE] It barely helps at all. They just push other drugs harder to make up for lost revenue. Cartels can also innovate and become more efficient (as they do against each other), and very easily adapt, so to say that marijuana becoming legal will somehow even moderately reduce their income or restrict their activities (they sell weaponry and kidnap people too) is nonsense.
[QUOTE=Deng;47675131]It barely helps at all. They just push other drugs harder to make up for lost revenue. Cartels can also innovate and become more efficient (as they do against each other), and very easily adapt, so to say that marijuana becoming legal will somehow even moderately reduce their income or restrict their activities (they sell weaponry and kidnap people too) is nonsense.[/QUOTE] If the state regulated the top 100 most popular recreational drugs, the cartel would be greatly effected.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675135]If the state regulated the top 100 most popular recreational drugs, the cartel would be greatly effected.[/QUOTE] I think you'd have much bigger problems if that happened.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675135]If the state regulated the top 100 most popular recreational drugs, the cartel would be greatly effected.[/QUOTE] Ah yes like cocaine, opiates and methamphetamine, great idea
[QUOTE=Deng;47675169]I think you'd have much bigger problems if that happened.[/QUOTE] I disagree. I'm all for personal responsibility and freedom of choice so to me, prohibition is useless and silly [editline]6th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47675178]Ah yes like cocaine, opiates and methamphetamine, great idea[/QUOTE] Drugs arent dangerous. Irresponsible drug users are dangerous
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675179] Drugs arent dangerous. Irresponsible drug users are dangerous[/QUOTE] So tell me, what are the benefits of street-grade heroin? What about krokodil? How about crack cocaine? Meth? Tell me, in all honesty, what would people gain from these?
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675179]I disagree. I'm all for personal responsibility and freedom of choice so to me, prohibition is useless and silly [editline]6th May 2015[/editline] Drugs arent dangerous. Irresponsible drug users are dangerous[/QUOTE] How does one take 'cocaine, opiates and methamphetamine' responsibly?
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675179]Drugs arent dangerous. Irresponsible drug users are dangerous[/QUOTE] What about the ones that damage you physically and mentally? Many of them negatively interfere with vital physiological functions.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47675195]So tell me, what are the benefits of street-grade heroin? What about krokodil? How about crack cocaine? Meth? Tell me, in all honesty, what would people gain from these?[/QUOTE] Recreation, and we should have no say in somebody elses choices, so long as they dont harm others. [editline]6th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Deng;47675197]What about the ones that damage you physically and mentally? Many of them negatively interfere with vital physiological functions.[/QUOTE] Like alcohol! And tobacco!
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675203]Recreation, and we should have no say in somebody elses choices, so long as they dont harm others.[/QUOTE] You think it's fine to take krokodil or crack cocaine? [QUOTE=cody8295;47675203]Like alcohol! And tobacco![/QUOTE] there's a world of difference between crack cocaine and alcohol don't bullshit your way out of this one
[QUOTE=Sally;47675196]How does one take 'cocaine, opiates and methamphetamine' responsibly?[/QUOTE] In very small doses and infrequently. But that's for the individual to decide [editline]6th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Deng;47675207]You think it's fine to take krokodil or crack cocaine?[/QUOTE] I think as long as somebody is in the privacy of their own home they should legally be able to do whatever they want if there are no victims besdies themselves
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675203]Recreation, and we should have no say in somebody elses choices, so long as they dont harm others.[/QUOTE] Yep, that's a good idea. I should have been totally ok with letting my friend shoot up with heroin, I mean, it's their choice right? Who am I to want to dictate their life, right? I mean, it's not like he had to watch his cousin be hospitalized so he could understand what's wrong with the stuff. You're right, we should just be ok with people hurting themselves! I mean, their choice right?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47675223]Yep, that's a good idea. I should have been totally ok with letting my friend shoot up with heroin, I mean, it's their choice right? Who am I to want to dictate their life, right? I mean, it's not like he had to watch his cousin be hospitalized so he could understand what's wrong with the stuff. You're right, we should just be ok with people hurting themselves! I mean, their choice right?[/QUOTE] Yes
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675212]I think as long as somebody is in the privacy of their own home they should legally be able to do whatever they want if there are no victims besdies themselves[/QUOTE] Do you think it's fine for people to commit suicide in their own homes too or?
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675212] if there are no victims besdies themselves[/QUOTE] Shut up. If someone ODs and they end up dying, there's plenty of fucking victims. How about the mom who cares more about crack than her kids? Are they not victims? God there's no point in arguing with you at this point.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675226]Yes[/QUOTE] You're nuts then.
[QUOTE=Deng;47675230]Do you think it's fine for people to commit suicide in their own homes too or?[/QUOTE] Yes, i believe suicide is an individuals right!
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