Mexico declares all-out war after drug cartel shoots down Army helicopter
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[QUOTE=Deng;47675230]Do you think it's fine for people to commit suicide in their own homes too or?[/QUOTE]
That's actually a protected right in some places, just if you fail you tend to get locked up for a psych eval and monitoring.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47675231]Shut up. If someone ODs and they end up dying, there's plenty of fucking victims.
How about the mom who cares more about crack than her kids? Are they not victims?
God there's no point in arguing with you at this point.[/QUOTE]
A negligent mother addicted to crack shouldnt be punished for using crack, she should be punished for being negligent to her children and we already have laws for that
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675236]Yes, i believe suicide is an individuals right![/QUOTE]
Well that's depression cured then.
[QUOTE=Deng;47675251]Well that's depression cured then.[/QUOTE]
You assume everybody's going to default to suicide or drugs if theyre legal but most reasonable people make up their minds without considering the law. If heroin was legal do you think everybody would flock to the store out of curiousity? No, some might but most already made up their mind that its not something they want to try.
This thread is a shitstorm.
Do you want to know why I've taken such a harsh stance?
Because I've watched people destroy themselves with alcohol.
Because I've watched people destroy themselves with cigarettes.
Because I've watched people destroy themselves with heroin.
Because I've watched people go in and out and back again to drug rehab.
Because I've watched people be harmed by drugs and intoxicants and I've been completely unable to help them.
People that I care about, people that are important to me.
I don't take drugs as some hunky-dory "it's all ok if you just legalize it maaaan" attitude. They [I]are[/I] dangerous. They hurt people, and I don't fucking [B]care[/B] if it's "up to them". I'd rather they not have access to it in the first place.
It pains me and it hurts to watch people act as if legalizing all drugs will magically cure crime and addiction. It won't. It fucking won't.
I'm all for legalization in some areas and less restrictions in others, but people don't consider the fact that sometimes [I]addiction still exists when the law goes away![/I]
[QUOTE=Deng;47675230]Do you think it's fine for people to commit suicide in their own homes too or?[/QUOTE]
Should that really not be okay? Do people NOT have the right to their own life?
[editline]6th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Deng;47675251]Well that's depression cured then.[/QUOTE]
I'm all for suicide prevention, but that's different than what you were saying about not being able to take your own life in your own home, those are related albeit different issues.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47675269]Do you want to know why I've taken such a harsh stance?
Because I've watched people destroy themselves with alcohol.
Because I've watched people destroy themselves with cigarettes.
Because I've watched people destroy themselves with heroin.
Because I've watched people go in and out and back again to drug rehab.
Because I've watched people be harmed by drugs and intoxicants and I've been completely unable to help them.
People that I care about, people that are important to me.
I don't take drugs as some hunky-dory "it's all ok if you just legalize it maaaan" attitude. They [I]are[/I] dangerous. They hurt people, and I don't fucking [B]care[/B] if it's "up to them". I'd rather they not have access to it in the first place.
It pains me and it hurts to watch people act as if legalizing all drugs will magically cure crime and addiction. It won't. It fucking won't.
I'm all for legalization in some areas and less restrictions in others, but people don't consider the fact that sometimes [I]addiction still exists when the law goes away![/I][/QUOTE]
Oh we're talking about addiction now, i thought we were gonna stick to drug crime but i like where this is going.
Addiction will always be around and no amount of laws or law enforcement will ever completely tackle the issue.
With addiction the only way to reduce it is through information, information which is shunned and depressed when laws prohibit the actual drugs themselves. Remember DARE anyone? Hours of cops telling elementary school students "dont do drugs! Drugs are bad!" Didnt work out to well huh?
Maybe if we were honest with students and gave them accurate information about drugs, they would go about their experimentation with a little more caution.
Prohibition however is one of the direct causes of drug crime
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47675269]Do you want to know why I've taken such a harsh stance?
Because I've watched people destroy themselves with alcohol.
Because I've watched people destroy themselves with cigarettes.
Because I've watched people destroy themselves with heroin.
Because I've watched people go in and out and back again to drug rehab.
Because I've watched people be harmed by drugs and intoxicants and I've been completely unable to help them.
People that I care about, people that are important to me.
I don't take drugs as some hunky-dory "it's all ok if you just legalize it maaaan" attitude. They [I]are[/I] dangerous. They hurt people, and I don't fucking [B]care[/B] if it's "up to them". I'd rather they not have access to it in the first place.
It pains me and it hurts to watch people act as if legalizing all drugs will magically cure crime and addiction. It won't. It fucking won't.
I'm all for legalization in some areas and less restrictions in others, but people don't consider the fact that sometimes [I]addiction still exists when the law goes away![/I][/QUOTE]
So your answer is what? Remove them entirely? Prohibition? A continued war on drugs? You have to see there's no sustainability, no practicality in your call for removal of access to all intoxicants. It's impossible and frankly, I think it's infringing on peoples rights, but you've made it clear you respect the people you care about so much as to insert your influence so much so, their decisions about somethings are irrelavent and they simple follow you.
By the way, I don't think that's respect. And don't tell me I haven't lost people. I've lost more than my fair share.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675212]In very small doses and infrequently. But that's for the individual to decide
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I don't think you are being ironic anymore.
[QUOTE=Sally;47675332]I don't think you are being ironic anymore.[/QUOTE]
He never was. He thinks that he can drive while high and defends all kinds of drugs at every possible chance, he's a total drug freak
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47675344]He never was. He thinks that he can drive while high and defends all kinds of drugs at every possible chance, he's a total drug freak[/QUOTE]
I know i can drive high, many poeple can do it safely. I dont defend drugs i defend personal freedoms and responsibilities
We need to help the Mexican government with this. This is a true war in our backyard which will spill over if we do not give them aid.
[QUOTE=SteelSliver;47675261]This thread is a shitstorm.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I especially loath the way SIRIUS was treated. He made a stupid statement first, yes, but then he kept asking "Wouldn't removing that income help at all?" everyone just spammed him with dumbs and went "Lol u fucking idiot."
Now what happened when someone ACTUALLY answered? He isn't an idiot anymore, he learned!
Concerning drug cartels I hope some magical force shows up that wipes all the members in a blink of an eye. I fucking hate cartels.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675352]I know i can drive high, many poeple can do it safely.[/QUOTE]
you're endangering yourself and other people on the road by driving high.
Why can't drug cartels do legal businesses instead like growing wheat and corn, go into construction businesses, start a zoo sanctuary for endangered animals and provide jobs for the poor. Heck even provide aid to disaster areas.
[QUOTE=Deng;47677264]you're endangering yourself and other people on the road by driving high.[/QUOTE]
Could say the same about driving sober
[QUOTE=Deng;47677264]you're endangering yourself and other people on the road by driving high.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the intoxicant. I'd rather a stoned person drive than someone who's drunk, tweaking, or hell, someone using a cell phone or eating while driving.
Personally I use cannabis because I don't settle well with pharmaceuticals, and I can operate a vehicle just fine. If anything the "high" I experience is mild compared to the first times I've smoked, akin to the high cigarette smokers feel, and because of that I'm competent in society and can actually function normally.
I see where you're all coming from but some of you (Cody) are unrealistic as fuck. People do have the right to certain things, but as a whole society in some way, shape or form should have the right to warn you of the effects. I'm not saying legalize meth and put a surgeon generals warning on the packaging, but instead of incarceration when it comes to drug crimes, rehabilitation? Remove the want to go to drugs in the first place, help the individual with their problems, if they're mental, physical, or also employment wise. Root out the issues that cause drug use, instead of create more reasons for a person to feel a need to use.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47666933]Wouldn't more legalized drugs help this situation?[/QUOTE]
No, where there are strong drug cartels, like Colombia, Brazil, Venezuela and Mexico, legalizing would only make the problems worse.
Just think about the FARC. They deal in every single shaddy deal that exist. If you legalize drugs, they would create a legal front to fund their illegal operations.
[QUOTE=zach1193;47666976]No of course not, and there lies problems in legalization. However, it certainly would hurt the cartels a whole lot. People will always be buying drugs, it's their most steady cash flow.[/QUOTE]
They would still sell drugs, it's just now they will be legally able to.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;47677730]They would still sell drugs, it's just now they will be legally able to.[/QUOTE]
Most don't just do that, they do other things, so even if drugs were legalized, same couldn't be said for illegal guns, black market items, human trafficking, etc.
If only most cartels only dealt with drugs, then maybe, but they have their hands in other things so that idea is out the door.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675352][B]I know i can drive high[/B], many poeple can do it safely.[/QUOTE]
That is so monumentally stupid I would go as far as saying you shouldn't even be trying to give advice to other people, since you like this little path of self-destruction you're set upon.
[editline]7th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=cody8295;47677450]Could say the same about driving sober[/QUOTE]
You're high right now aren't you
[QUOTE=cody8295;47677450]Could say the same about driving sober[/QUOTE]
You're a fucking moron and I hope you get pulled over while driving high and get your license suspended.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;47678420]You're a fucking moron and I hope you get pulled over while driving high and get your license suspended.[/QUOTE]
I got pulled over high once, the cop let me off witha warning because he didnt know. Also i stand firmly in my position that the most effective way to decrease the black markets income is through direct competition.
If its legal they can still try to sell it but most people would probably rather buy from the state, who actually would regulate the quality and quantity of their drugs
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675352]I know i can drive high, many poeple can do it safely. I dont defend drugs i defend personal freedoms and responsibilities[/QUOTE]
Funny, the intoxicated driver that caused my father to loose both his legs and be bound to a wheelchair while in extreme phantom pain thought the exact same thing!
[editline]7th May 2015[/editline]
I honestly hope you'll kill yourself rather than hurt anyone else while DUI.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47678644]I got pulled over high once, the cop let me off witha warning because he didnt know. Also i stand firmly in my position that the most effective way to decrease the black markets income is through direct competition.
If its legal they can still try to sell it but most people would probably rather buy from the state, who actually would regulate the quality and quantity of their drugs[/QUOTE]
You're so blind I honestly believe you're high while writing this. Having a certain freedom doesn't mean you're allowed to act upon it every chance you have. I have freedom of speech but I don't go insulting people and offending them because I have that right.
If you honestly believe you're a-okay driving while high you shouldn't be free to drive as you don't realise you're a danger to others as well.
Ive already had this argument in SH in another thread, lets get back on track.
Prohibition helps cartels
[QUOTE=cody8295;47680641]Ive already had this argument in SH in another thread, lets get back on track.
Prohibition helps cartels[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, because once you legalize weed, gun running, explosives, heavy weapons, human trafficking, illegal logging, ect, all go away too right?
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675352]I know i can drive high[/QUOTE]
Holy shit he's doing it again.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47675293]
Addiction will always be around and no amount of laws or law enforcement will ever completely tackle the issue.
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You are right except legalizing drugs would make it a lot worse.
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